Re: [OSM-talk] more OSM coming soon

2009-06-18 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
had the same troubles in firefox at some point. some tiles loaded some didn't. other browser worked so it was clearly not server problem Check the Content - Load images automatically settings, this solved my troubles On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Ivo van den Maagdenberg

Re: [OSM-talk] more OSM coming soon

2009-06-18 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
ff has some shortcuts or gestures. clicking lot and fast and you won't recognize the change in settings ... On 18 Jun 2009, at 14:56 , Ivo van den Maagdenberg wrote: 2009/6/18 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com had the same troubles in firefox at some point. some tiles loaded some

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Strange synthentic GPS tracks spelling out words

2009-06-21 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
not my tracks. I guess they are done with OSMTracker. It has lots of onscreen buttons and you can assign any name to them. Or you enter any custom text. supports voice tracking too. very convenient to enter lots of wp or when you need to concentrate on driving. On 21 Jun 2009, at 19:32 ,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Mapping of State/county/national parks

2009-06-25 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
boundary=national_park ownership=national operator=United States National Park Service or operator=United States National Forest Service operator=United States Bureau of Land Management etc. makes sense to use just one boundary tag. easier to implement in the renderer and good enough

Re: [OSM-talk] Problem With Relations

2009-07-25 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
new josm versions have a sort button. it worked pretty well for me to get all members sorted On Jul 25, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Andrew Ayre wrote: Hi, I have a problem with many of the recent relations I've created in JOSM. In the past I didn't have a problem. Here is an example:

Re: [OSM-talk] Problem With Relations

2009-07-25 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
cryptic entries. What do they mean and how do I change them, if needed? Andy Apollinaris Schoell wrote: new josm versions have a sort button. it worked pretty well for me to get all members sorted On Jul 25, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Andrew Ayre wrote: Hi, I have a problem with many of the recent

Re: [OSM-talk] Editing_Standards_and_Conventions

2009-07-26 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
info is pretty old and not up to date. some rework is needed to make it really useful . Include newer standards like relations, remove some lengthy explanations about divided highways. remove or shrink some of the large pictures to make it easier to read. On Jul 26, 2009, at 9:17 AM,

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
Funnily enough, where I have been mapping the sign is always on the bridge itself. Anyway, I think we should be tagging what the sign is referring to, independent of the sign itself. even if the sign is on the bridge structure it is a limitation valid for the road passing under the bridge.

Re: [OSM-talk] Reverting Node Move

2009-07-30 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
as far as I understand the db this is correct. the way uses the same nodes. no need to increase the version the way doesn't have any additional location info On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote: Hi, I select a way with approx 2,000 nodes and move it in

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-30 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
I don't know what the Osmarender update speed is or how to mark tiles as dirty or find out when they were rendered, so I am unsure if Osmarender tiles can be directly compared. osmarender doesn't work currently for large areas defined by relation boundaries there is a lonly white

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-04 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
As far as I have understood by reading English Wikipedia you have different classes (Freeway, Interstate, Numbered Highways) where at least Freeway and Interstate are motorways. Those seem to have unambiguous signs. May I suppose that I would not be allowed to ride my bike on any of these,

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-04 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
in california is a good example. It changes from Primary or trunk to motorway many times. mainly the northern part is open for bikes. On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/5 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: As far as I have understood by reading English

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural worldmapping ...

2009-08-07 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Mike Harris wrote: Prefer Landuse=forestry (not 'forest') and natural=woodland; maybe also a tag for the administrative areas such as US National Forests. Then other tags can take care of the detail. some US National forests are nearly tree free. We

Re: [OSM-talk] to all potlatch and JOSM users - automatic simplification of geometry

2009-08-08 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
I know that some people like this tidy-points-function to work on TIGER-Data, but I tell you: if the TIGER-Data is not good/precise, it won't get better using this function ;-) bad data doesn't get worse either. for a lot of tiger data it can compact without any loss. And tiger is not a

Re: [OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:

2009-08-08 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
while the Garmin ones can use OSM maps, the chips they are still using is not the newest and best so it is harder to get a fix My newest logger can actually get a fix inside my house, which was constructed with a near complete Faraday cage design, although a fix takes much longer than

Re: [OSM-talk] to all potlatch and JOSM users - automatic simplification of geometry

2009-08-09 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Liz wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Nop wrote: Some people mentioned that the default settings of these tools are very agressive - this is true and a more lenient approach might produce much better results. But then, I have not seen any options to change this

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Aug 10, 2009, at 4:32 AM, Tom Chance wrote: Which do we go for? We can't have this stupid, unclear fudge. Yes we can it's OSM it's anarchy :) Regards, Tom ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
+1 On Aug 10, 2009, at 6:51 AM, Nick Whitelegg wrote: I'll say what I always say these days whenever this subject comes up :-) That is, I believe the highway tag should represent the physical surface, not the rights. My current views on this are: highway=track - a dirt/stone track,

Re: [OSM-talk] to all potlatch and JOSM users - automatic simplification of geometry

2009-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Aug 10, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Nop wrote: Hi! Apollinaris Schoell schrieb: To prevent accidential damage, there could be a warning when you are using it in a dangerous or most likely harmful way. E.g. more than 10 ways are selected or using it on ways that already have less than 10

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS Accuracy under Forest Canopy

2009-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
My Garmin eTrex HCx makes reasonable tracks under forest cover, although the tracks are certainly worse under forest than under a clear sky. It's not the cheapest GPS unit you can get, but it's reasonably priced and it's a great navigator to enjoy both OSM and commercial maps on

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS Accuracy under Forest Canopy

2009-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
. Still like the Hcx because it's smaller and battery life is very important on long hikes. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.ukwrote: On Monday 10 August 2009, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: compared to a SiRF III powered the eTrex is pretty lame in accuracy

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS Accuracy under Forest Canopy

2009-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: compared to a SiRF III powered the eTrex is pretty lame in accuracy. but it uses less power and runs twice as long on a set of batteries ok, so I'm in the rich guys list. not yet

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-11 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
perfect, only one thing to add. more emails to talk will not change anything. active mappers, the ones writing tools and renderers will over time the better scheme will win or both stay in peaceful coexistence. On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:02 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, David Earl wrote: Up to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-13 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
there is something better already http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/ On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dkwrote: I realized when mapping today that it would be very useful to have a set of OSM status POIs that you could use to mark the status of the mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-17 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
to recompile the map On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: there is something better already http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/ Is there a way of getting data out of that easily? If there is it would make sense to be able

Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions

2009-08-20 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Aug 20, 2009, at 7:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/20 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Wmm why can't we say: 1L for the leftmost lane 2L for the second lane from left 1R for the rightmost lane where left and right is seen in driving-direction. So then the 2 rightmode

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: my JOSM 1981 + wmsplugin does not work :(

2009-08-20 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
There was a major change. you need to upgrade the plugin and the settings for yahoo. these are my current settings and they work on Mac OS wmsplugin.default.html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/ YahooDirect.html?=true wmsplugin.default.http://onearth.jpl.nasa.gov/wms.cgi?

Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions

2009-08-20 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/20 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: how could you do this practically? aligning 18 lanes as individual ways is impossible in the current data model and editors. Why? It's very possible: just do it. Btw: I's not 18 lanes, but 1

Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate TIGER ways along county lines

2009-08-23 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
don't waste too much time trying to make sense of broken data. fix it in the best possible way and delete tags which don't make sense anymore. time of mappers is better spent on fixing the data instead of fiddle around with nearly useless tags. osm data is dynamic everyone can edit

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging vague, ill-defined, or unfriendly paths

2009-08-26 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
you may add a visibility tag, if it's rough terrain also sac_scale may apply http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility On 26 Aug 2009, at 7:25 , Nick Whitelegg wrote: I suppose this brings up all the stuff about path tagging again, but, how do people in general tag vague,

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-05 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
Oh no I would never want to write a tool that allow blind reverts! I'm writing a tool that will - make it easy to review all changes that reverting a changeset will apply to the data - visually show the data before/after the revert - choose which change should be reverted in which way

Re: [OSM-talk] Software Freedom Day

2009-09-05 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
I agree, maybe it's worth to have a fundraiser for a separate, official mapnik server + super speedy hosting (unless the people involved with UCL think that we can have a reliable enough connection hosted free by UCL, or somebody else wants to offer reliable and free hosting). Since it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Software Freedom Day

2009-09-05 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 5 Sep 2009, at 8:40 , andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/9/5 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: I agree, maybe it's worth to have a fundraiser for a separate, official mapnik server + super speedy hosting (unless the people involved with UCL think that we can have a reliable enough

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/21 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: [ ... ] So I suggest we pattern on network=us_i for Interstates, us_us for US Routes, us_ny_ny

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 20 Sep 2009, at 20:20 , John Smith wrote: 2009/9/21 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: you shouldn't use well established tags in the wrong way. us_ny_ny_co is not a network name. the network is I, US, The US but is redundant, we just need to know what shield type

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
I don't recall seeing I and US on signs in the US, although it might have been the case where I've been. Verified on the way to work today. Even this is not consistent. Some shields have some don't. At least in california. the large overhead signs have only the number but the signs along the

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
This data is definitely very up-to-date. It is used by the county to impose property taxes, so it has to be up-to-date. They offer new files weekly. problem is how can you convert the weekly updates into osm updates? You can't delete all data and upload again the next week. I basically

Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data

2009-09-21 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
problem is how can you convert the weekly updates into osm updates? You can't delete all data and upload again the next week. I'm not volunteering to do it *weekly*, but I'd only delete and upload (or modify) the data that changes, of course :). great if you can do that. but be warned it

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch doing source=GPS in error?

2009-09-24 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
you might be shocked. I rarely add this info. many edits are a mix of gps, yahoo tracing, best guess, averaging and interpolation with other existing data, topo maps if free version available, free shape files. why would I add all this info? just a lot of work with no benefit. we are not

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways

2009-09-26 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
But as I said, I'd much rather have a specific, rendered, more to do here tag for stubs that is removed when the way is extended. not a good idea for the normal map. have you ever seen any other commercial map with hey look this map is incomplete BS info? sure it makes sense to get this info

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways

2009-09-26 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:15 AM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote: On 26/09/2009 19:09, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: But as I said, I'd much rather have a specific, rendered, more to do here tag for stubs that is removed when the way is extended. not a good idea for the normal

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways

2009-09-26 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: You see, this is where I get /really /confused I see no reference to 'todo' or 'continue' in the general OSM wiki. In the Groundtruth wiki page they're highlighted red, saying there there no reference page. If you think

Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate nodes incorrectly removed by bot BugBuster ?

2009-09-27 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
please stop this Bot until it's usefulness is proven and others agree it should run. it was never discussed in this list and a bot affecting the whole planet should be discussed first for risks. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Ruben Wisniewski ru...@all-in-si.dewrote: Hi there, just want to

Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate nodes incorrectly removed by bot BugBuster ?

2009-09-27 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
yes this a critical point. also tiger import created 2 nodes for railways/boundary/road/powerline crossing each other. even if the layer tag is missing they must not merge. instead a layer tag must be added. a bot can never solve such a problem. only make it worse. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:09

Re: [OSM-talk] The French Corine Import has started

2009-09-28 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 28 Sep 2009, at 10:06 , Ruben Wisniewski wrote: I think the user speaks for itself, you can look at the history if you want to know where the data came from. But I think there should be a tag like on the tiger data which indicates if the data was reviewed locally, to prove it is

Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate nodes incorrectly removed by bot BugBuster ?

2009-09-29 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
are good. But I fear you have destroyed a lot of tiger data this way. explanations are in a couple of other mails. again stop it. since you mentioned #osm-de I assume you understand german Gut gemeint ist das Gegenteil von gut -- apo Greetings Ruben Apollinaris Schoell wrote: please

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-30 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 30 Sep 2009, at 20:46 , Russ Nelson wrote: Dave F. writes: Russ Nelson wrote: -1. Don't confuse anarchy with chaos. SteveC is our leader (and should behave as such by Giving Advice), but he's only our leader so far as he gives Good Advice. A leader in an anarchic state? How does

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
yes he is a leader and as such deserves respect. he should lead some useful and intelligent projects and don't loose a word about this childish 1/0/yes/no/true/false discussions. a consumer of the data has to do a bit more work but this is a small fee for free access to an amazing database.

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:06 , John Smith wrote: You do if you want a consistent data set. And what if I don't want? There are 1000s of mappers and not everyone thinks like you and agrees with you. If you can't accept so much freedom it's your problem not mine or theirs. there are many things I

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-04 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 4 Oct 2009, at 12:42 , Mike Harris wrote: I'm seeking advice as to best practice in the following type of situation: As an increasingly common example, now that people are getting around to mapping areas such as leisure=, natural= and landuse= ... Consider the case of landuse=farm

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-04 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 4 Oct 2009, at 13:50 , MP wrote: If you don't want to do micro mapping the best approach is to create a multipolygon relations for the farm and one for the golf course. use the portion of the highway in the polygon as outer way and delete the duplicate ways. While this may look

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-04 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 3 Oct 2009, at 9:13 , Dave Hansen wrote: Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema yes and well supported by the renderer Well, I have some perl code that will parse the 2007/2008

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Updates its Data

2009-10-08 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
the interesting change is in US. No copyright info linking to Teleatlas. Google is now it's own map provider. I was long awaiting this move. With their data from Streetview they can extract nearly every information from streetsigns and roadmarking. But their data is still wrong in many places

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-08 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
can you move this thread to the new list where it belongs? Hi all, I'm pleased to announce a new mailing list: tagg...@openstreetmap.org . You can subscribe at: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging The mailing list description is tag discussion, strategy and related tools.

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-09 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
isn't a good solution but it's the best we have for new tags. old tags speak for themselves in tagwatch. Having good docu in the wiki helps everyone and beginners will always start from there. Apollinaris Schoell writes: can you move this thread to the new list where it belongs? -- --my

[OSM-talk] bot vandalism

2009-10-11 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
I know it has been discussed before but found a lot of broken data created by bot bugbuster and this is important enough to bring it up again. There was some lame response but never really an explanation what this bot is doing. Some edits are correct others are not. There is little information in

Re: [OSM-talk] bot vandalism

2009-10-12 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 11 Oct 2009, at 22:37 , Matthias Versen wrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: I know it has been discussed before but found a lot of broken data created by bot bugbuster and this is important enough to bring it up again. There was some lame response but never really an explanation what

Re: [OSM-talk] bot vandalism

2009-10-12 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Oct 2009, at 24:05 , Frederik Ramm wrote: Apo, I don't know about the specific case you are talking about. But on a more general note, I am sure that we will be seeing stricter rules for bots, where instead of *politely asking* for things to be discussed before the bot runs

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-13 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Oct 2009, at 9:20 , SteveC wrote: Dave - super awesome. As I said on IRC the other week, but I'll repeat here for all - I think dumping the addressing for all 3,000 counties and then letting people import them one by one will be the best way to do it. yes this is the best way to get

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and talk-us-bayarea

2009-10-20 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
me too also bay area On 20 Oct 2009, at 21:00 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:23 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Neither list has any real traffic, and what they do tend to just be reposts of talk-us. Splitting the community at this stage is retarded, we should wait for

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping islands question

2009-10-27 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
coastline update is slower and may take 1-2 weeks in Mapnik rendering. roads are updated immediately. TAH should update quickly and you can use it for checking. On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Joe Pranevich jpranev...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm trying to fix Hutchinson Island, Florida (

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-11 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On the other hand, putting the information directly on the way would be problematic for many reasons. Ranges might span multiple ways, and right/left has to be reversed whenever the way is reversed being the most troublesome.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 8:28 , Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:18 , Anthony wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It probably has to be a relation. Include a start node, an end node, and a list of one or more ways

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always reflect reality. The

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
follow the OSM principle. map what's on the ground no matter where you are On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:56 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of OSM itself. It shouldn't be trusted explicitly (no single map should). Do you have some more constructive information about places where you've

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've done a lot of mapping in my area, but haven't been willing to start doing addresses, even before I knew that the TIGER import was

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Nov 2009, at 23:56 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry corrections that

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 10:22 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 23:56 -0800, Dan Homerick wrote: i, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 18:05 , andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/11/15 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: matching Tiger id's is a very bad idea. you need to compare geometries. during edits ways are split, merged copied moved, deleted nodes added node, Most of these operations

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:14 , Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to know which map has an accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not a derived interpretation of other base maps. C'mon, this is the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:05 , Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Andy Allan writes: On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but

Re: [OSM-talk] my etrex died?

2009-03-22 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
below is some info from Garmin. Didn't help mine and Garmin exchanged it. Was lucky enough it happend in the warranty. was already second unit they changed for me. Thank you for contacting Garmin International. I will be happy to assist. The eTrex has a Boot-Block function that will

Re: [OSM-talk] Builk upload OSM files greater than 2megs with JOSM

2009-03-24 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
you can try the splitter from mkmap project to split osm files in case increasing the heap size is still not enough. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks, for my purposes right now, extending the memory heap size on the command line with:

Re: [OSM-talk] GPSMAP 60Cx still the best OSM GPS?

2009-04-07 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
for osm the one of the best options is a PDA with OSMTracker http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmtracker You can do voice recording, hot keys, pictures to enter POI. Can be used while driving easily. JOSM supports the gpx with linked voice POI. ideally used on a PDA with built in GPS. pros:

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
full ack some tags are too confusing ... on a lighter note: from tagwatch typo or protest against a very_horrible tag ;-) smoothmess horrible (4), impassable (1) On 30 Apr 2009, at 8:59 , Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Richard Mann

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia POI import?

2009-05-06 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
this will create many duplicates. You will need to do some checking before a poi is added. so many mass imports are done cleanup is a lot of work. checking should be done against points, ways, polygons. in osm tags are somtimes on building polugon or on a point. If we have both the map is

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia POI import?

2009-05-06 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
available to OSM editors. One way to do that is to have a second API which consists of a cached copy of everything that map renderers might use, all merged into one read-only OSM-compatible api. So when somebody asks to edit an area, the editor also shows them the read- only elements, so

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-05 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 5 Dec 2009, at 20:03 , Ulf Lamping wrote: Richard Weait schrieb: I think the LWG has done a good job on a difficult task. A task that we, as a community, asked them to do for us because we couldn't implement a license change as a group of 20,000 (at the time) individual mappers. I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] Full Database dump request - forking possible Was: [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-06 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
Since some people feel about the vote like being held hostage with a gun to their head somebody should solve their dilemma. Fork now and everybody that might compelled to vote yes for fear to lose their data can vote no and know they have a new project that has all the data but does not

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-06 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 6 Dec 2009, at 10:25 , Ulf Lamping wrote: Apollinaris Schoell schrieb: On 5 Dec 2009, at 20:03 , Ulf Lamping wrote: I'm sorry, but for the last two years I can't remember asking for a license change at all. Sorry but this topic was many times on many lists, it's on the wiki. If you

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, you can call him a troll, but I agree I so far haven't heard sound arguments why CC-BY-SA "doesn't work" and what "work" actually means. Doesn't work for Cloudmade? I think you hit the nail

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-17 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. as alternative it must be at least tagged different to disappear from maps. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Kevin Samples ksamp...@uga.edu wrote: It's the Burning Man Festival and it was recently a Featured Image on the wiki.

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-17 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi Apollinaris Apollinaris Schoell wrote: should be deleted then. Why? We map what is on ground ( with some exceptions like boundaries) Burning man follows a no trace policy. Who says this why? Burning man

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 18 Dec 2009, at 24:57 , Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. I don't see why that should be relevant to us. China follows a no mapping policy - do we care? you have spent to much time on mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

2009-12-18 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 18 Dec 2009, at 24:42 , Peter Körner wrote: there is no structure left behind for burning men. as soon as all is removed map should show current status again. keeping it in the database is ok but the tags need to reflect that there is nothing left on ground *I think* it should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)

2009-12-18 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 18 Dec 2009, at 3:51 , Mikel Maron wrote: Of course, we now have a map with data shown past the end_date for the 2008 event. The most obvious option is tuning the renderers to data past it's end date. There's downsides to that .. larger planet size, increased complexity in

Re: [OSM-talk] How to load geotagged pics without GPS track ?

2009-12-28 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
you can lad any gpx track and then load the geotagged pics with a right click on the gpx layer. Josm will use the existing exif data and will not try to match with gpx On 29 Dec 2009, at 24:45 , Andre Hinrichs wrote: Am Montag, den 28.12.2009, 23:50 +0100 schrieb Jeremy G: Hi list, I'm in

Re: [OSM-talk] North America extract

2010-01-26 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
That isn't a North America extract, or even a US extract. It is a collection of extracts by country for all except US/CA and a collection of state/province extracts for the US and Canada. This is quite useful, but it isn't an entire NA extract. I remember an earlier comment that a NA

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Most of Busselton deleted

2010-02-01 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
will do it, no conflicts detected in dry run edit definitely looks destruction done by a newbie please notify the user why this has been done and explain how to edit. On 1 Feb 2010, at 21:54 , John Smith wrote: I've forwarded a copy of your email to the main talk list, some people have

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Fwd: [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
I'm happy to use either method, but one of the reasons why I prefer the 1-relation-per-direction method is that it lets me quickly find areas that need to be split into dual carriageways. same for me, Josm has good support for sorting and relations and checking for gaps. also the relation

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:07 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Why does there need to be 2 relations for this? besides editing convenience a relation is directed and sorted since API 0.6 You can see it as a route to follow from start to end. For bus routes this is a must. 2

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
what is wrong with 2 relations? I didn't say 2 are needed but why do you think 2 is bad? On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:38 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 9 February 2010 11:21, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: besides editing convenience a relation is directed

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 8 Feb 2010, at 18:28 , John Smith wrote: On 9 February 2010 12:20, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: what is wrong with 2 relations? I didn't say 2 are needed but why do you think 2 is bad? It creates redundant data, and makes it easier to get conflicting data if both

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 8 Feb 2010, at 20:03 , John Smith wrote: On 9 February 2010 14:00, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, all you are doing is coming up with work arounds to current issues, the issues should be fixed properly. Apart from the obvious you aren't uploading/download every single

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Are we strict enough with imports ?

2010-02-12 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
slightly off topic, one problem we have is many imports are incomplete because of network/server interrupting the upload. Users stopping uploads but not being able to revert them. As a rule please report broken imports/uploads and someone can revert them before manual changes make it nearly

Re: [OSM-talk] fwd: Two thirds of mobile users want driving ANDwalking navigation

2010-02-16 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Feb 2010, at 9:46 , Dave F. wrote: John Smith wrote: On 17 February 2010 01:40, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Frequently you can't get a position fix at all, if the building has much metal in its structure. I can't get a position fix from inside my house unless I am

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Diskussionsfäden Apollinaris Schoell
openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' 2) enter problem 3) click ok ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it? look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from most people is useless. a

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