Message resent regarding proposed Liaison Officer & also confirming track in question.
Awaiting response. Thanks Graeme On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 17:16, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com> wrote: > I have also contacted Stephen privately to see if he wants to chat > > > > Cheers - Phil > > > > *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefi...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:54 PM > *To:* Andrew Welch <m...@andrewwelch.net> > *Cc:* Mark Pulley <mrpul...@iinet.net.au>; OpenStreetMap-AU Mailing List < > talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS > > > > NPWS have now contacted DWG again. > > > > I was in the process of responding to his comments, was up to ~10 > paragraphs, then hit the wrong button in our DWG system & deleted the > lot!!! :-( > > > > That's well & truly enough for today so I'll try again (after trying to > remember what I said!) tomorrow. > > > > Thanks > > > > Graeme > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 16:10, Andrew Welch via Talk-au < > talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > I think it might also be important to state that OSM is a database, so if > consumers aren’t rendering tracks properly if tagged as such, the issue is > with them not us, and that what they are doing can be considered as > vandalism by mappers. We have ways to reflect the current state, and ensure > that mappers unaware of these discussions won’t go ahead and re-add the > trails. > > > > Thanks, > > Andrew Welch > > m...@andrewwelch.net > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 3:45 pm, Mark Pulley <mrpul...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > I’ve just had another private message from Stephen Stenberg: > > > > I had replied privately: > > > > Prior to reversion, we had been discussing this for several months at the > talk-au mailing list. I had delayed the reversion as I was of the > understanding that someone from NPWS was about to join the discussion, but > that did not eventuate. > > For reasons discussed on some of the previous changesets, and on the > mailing list, there should be something present. I’ve added a comment to my > changeset regarding a couple of suitable changes, and have sent a note back > to the mailing list for further discussion. > > > > I had also added a comment to the most recent changeset. > > > > He has replied to me: > > > > I hope this message finds you well. Several months ago, you were informed > about the decision to exclude certain paths near Apsley Falls Campground > from OpenStreetMap. Despite clear communication from the NSW National Parks > and Wildlife Service (NPWS) stating that these tracks, at their request, > have been removed, it appears there is a persistent effort to reintroduce > them. > > It is important to emphasize that these paths are situated on NPWS land, > and as part of their management strategy, NPWS no longer wishes for these > paths to be displayed. Reinstating these pathways not only contradicts NPWS > wishes but also requires additional work hours from their end to rectify > the situation. > > It is crucial to understand that NPWS has already dedicated resources to > remove these paths, and by reapplying them, it creates unnecessary > challenges. I urge you to respect NPWS’s decision and refrain from adding > these paths back onto OpenStreetMap. > > Your cooperation in this matter is greatly appreciated and will contribute > to the effective management of the area. > > Thank you for your understanding. > > > > I have replied back, requesting that he either make comments on the > changeset, or discuss on the mailing list, rather than send private > messages, as I don’t want to be passing messages back and forth. (Thanks > to tonyf1 who has made the same suggestion on the changeset.) > > > > Mark P. > > > > On 20 Feb 2024, at 2:13 pm, Mark Pulley <mrpul...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > > > I’ve just received a private message from Stephen Stenberg (who had > deleted these last time): > > > > Contrary to your statement, the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service > has officially closed the track. > > “Reasons for reversion: This is still visible on the ground (checked by > myself 30 November 2023) The track is not formally closed.” > > Kindly refrain from reinstating this track, as doing so will necessitate > its removal once again by NPWS. > > > > So far the track hasn’t been deleted again. > > I had asked on one of the older changesets about whether this had been > officially closed - didn’t get an answer to that, only "These tracks per > our request have been removed. Please do not add them back on." > > It’s a shame that NPWS hadn’t bothered to join the discussion on here. > > I’ve added a comment to my reversion changeset, suggesting access=no > (rather than deleting outright). Any relevant comments there are welcome! > > > > Mark P. > > > > On 13 Feb 2024, at 11:17 pm, Mark Pulley <mrpul...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > > > Done. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/147406352 > > > Mark P. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > >
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