Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 3/8/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: Ah, for some reason searching for bbq on the wiki doesn't find that. Weird. If we're going to use bbq, I'll change some of the ones that I have done over, and add fuel= Wikimedia wiki search is a bit hit and miss, I just search on

Re: [talk-au] newbie Potlatch question

2009-08-03 Thread jhen
Thanks Jeff and Ross. I'm using Fedora 10 Linux on a 1000H EeePC, and I've already had a go at installing josm.  But It isn't clear to me yet just which Java package(s) I need to install first.  I'm working on that in slow-time. I've got Merkaartor installed, but I'm far from confident with

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 3/8/09, Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote: That's a given for any 2 people. However how the same thing is store in OSM in 2 different areas is the same. And that is what we are talking about here. Ok, to do this objectively we could either mark an area as a different

Re: [talk-au] Bush walking tracks

2009-08-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Ian Sergeantiserg...@hih.com.au wrote: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote on 03/08/2009 03:06:38 PM: Calling a bush walking track a designated footpath doesn't sound exactly right, nor does calling a bushwalker a pedestrian. Thoughts? We should focus on

Re: [talk-au] newbie Potlatch question

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 3/8/09, j...@talk21.com j...@talk21.com wrote: I'm using Fedora 10 Linux on a 1000H EeePC, and I've already had a go at installing josm.  But It isn't clear to me yet just which Java package(s) I need to install first.  I'm working on that in slow-time. It's the normal sun-jre,

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 3/8/09, Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote: You can do this I guess it's a matter of rendering. I think this discussion has highlighted an underlying issue that is beyond the rendering issue however. The underlying issue is that you don't consider   administratively equal

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread Darrin Smith
John Smith wrote: You can do this I guess it's a matter of rendering. I think this discussion has highlighted an underlying issue that is beyond the rendering issue however. The underlying issue is that you don't consider administratively equal a suburb and a rural named area despite the

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread Liz
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Darrin Smith wrote: What about the 90% of Australia that isn't metro areas and these boundaries are all over the place and don't line up with towns, They still provide general enough information to be useful. That same 90% also has a large number of source=landsat (or

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread Darrin Smith
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:14:46 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Darrin Smith wrote: What about the 90% of Australia that isn't metro areas and these boundaries are all over the place and don't line up with towns, They still provide general enough information to be

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread Liz
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Darrin Smith wrote: Not sure what your point here is Liz apart from interesting information? Although it does back up what I was saying about the ABS begin incomplete not having every designated place - I assume Beelbangera doesn't even exist in the ABS data? Still it

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread Darrin Smith
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:59:48 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Darrin Smith wrote: Not sure what your point here is Liz apart from interesting information? Although it does back up what I was saying about the ABS begin incomplete not having every designated place -

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread Darrin Smith
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:50:22 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Darrin Smith wrote: But until someone has the time to fix it, it will provide someone who doesn't know the area well enough information to be in approximately the right place (same as most landsat traced

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
Ok, with a pointer from the dev list I now have 2 tile style sheets set up, one shows admin_level=10 for darrin, and the other doesn't... http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=13lat=-28.31773lon=152.88587layers=0B You can actually use these tiles in other apps if you can config the URL,

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
Apart from highway shields looking different, park benches, getting rid of boundary names from being rendered if a centre place exists, is there anything else needing to be done to make the map tiles look more aussie like? ___ Talk-au

[talk-au] Cautionary tale for editing ABS ways

2009-08-03 Thread James Livingston
Hi all, As I've just discovered, you need to have some care when editing anything that causes a change to a way with over 2000 nodes (e.g. a lot of the ABS boundaries). NEVER under any circumstances let anything happen to you editor during the upload. You can't let JOSM crash, have network

Re: [talk-au] JOSM AU translation

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 3/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Ignoring malformed URL: {0}    wrong bloody address Someone, somewhere other than an aussie, kiwi or pom will come across that and wonder where all the blood come from to be on the URL :)

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 3/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: surface=unpaved and 4WD only :). The strange thing is, there was a bunch of highway=unsurfaced checks, I have no idea why they were never migrated across to surface=unpaved, updated.

[talk-au] Trivia - Husband and Wife Team

2009-08-03 Thread Nick Hocking
Apart from Victoria and Albert does anyone know of an example where A Husband and Wife have both had roads named after them and that these roads intersect. PS - I know of one such example. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
Every change I've made so far makes the roads go very whacky ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Trivia - Husband and Wife Team

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 3/8/09, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Apart from Victoria and Albert does anyone know of an example where   A Husband and Wife have both had roads named after them and that these roads intersect. Ummm does George street in Sydney count? It intersects with a

Re: [talk-au] Cautionary tale for editing ABS ways

2009-08-03 Thread Liz
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, James Livingston wrote: So now I get to go and extract the old way from dumps and then re- upload it as a now way. You have been warned. I've left a broken one on western NSW I know where it is, and I'll fix it one day preferably when the server side of things is

[talk-au] road widths in australia

2009-08-03 Thread Liz
just information gathering away from that going-nowhere conversation on main talk (does not deal with any issue concerned with the value of mapping a road width, nor how) After about 1870 roads surveyed to 1 chain width earlier roads, travelling stock routes, main roads and roads forming shire

Re: [talk-au] Bush walking tracks

2009-08-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote: Check the dates on the Wiki pages.  The whole highway=path thing is relatively recent - it may well be that the Australian Wiki advice was written before it existed. Maybe. But the question remains.

Re: [talk-au] Bush walking tracks

2009-08-03 Thread Liz
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote: Check the dates on the Wiki pages. The whole highway=path thing is relatively recent - it may well be that the Australian Wiki advice was written before it existed. Maybe. But the

Re: [talk-au] Bush walking tracks

2009-08-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote: Check the dates on the Wiki pages.  The whole highway=path thing is relatively recent - it may well be that the Australian

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
I found a SVG version of a highway shield, at least national, on wikipedia, I should hunt through their image library some more and they might have other useful icons that we'd be able to use to improve map rendering... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australian_National_Highway.svg

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
Are national highways marked differently than other highways at all? The reason I ask is different highways get different shields, and the national highway network is the only one with a green shield with the word national at the top. Someone has put a meticulous list together, half with

Re: [talk-au] Trivia - Husband and Wife Team

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 3/8/09, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: On another topic - close to these two roads is Heanke Street which is named after Helen Haenke. I've tagged it Heanke Street since that is what is on all the street signs but it should be Haenke Street. I've included tag of

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highways_in_Australia Actually shields and so forth is a little bit all over the place, the shield shown depends not only on the highway type, or if it receives federal funding, but also proximity to a major metro area. Can anyone suggest a good way to know what

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
Can anyone suggest a good way to know what highway should be given what shield based on the current data OSM has? I should have mentioned the wiki page on tips for aussies doesn't help... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Route_Numbers Maybe I'm

Re: [talk-au] newbie Potlatch question

2009-08-03 Thread jhen
Thanks.  I've now installed Sun JRE. But JOSM doesn't work for me.  A JOSM screen comes up, sometimes with a menu bar at the top, and sometimes not.  Which ever it is, it doesn't respond to clicks or keystrokes and has to be aborted (not responding). Luckily, JOSM-WebStart (

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-03 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 4/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: i agree i think that is a bad bit it comes from using one tag to do the work of two tags In any case I've hacked together something, the shields seem a little on the large side of things so will probably make them smaller, but this is a

[talk-au] Hema Navigator, On Off Road GPS

2009-08-03 Thread Liz
http://hemanavigator.com.au/ I was looking at getting a wall map of Australia for work and look what I found. Really interesting device. -- You will outgrow your usefulness. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org