Re: [talk-au] How to undo saved edits?
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Arie Paap wrote: However Potlatch exposes deleted ways: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Primer#Undoing_mistakes So I use that to undelete the way and then continue editing (or switch back to JOSM) very good point I'm glad you raised this. This area really baffled me when I noticed it a little while ago. I really didn't know how to resolve all the duplication or how to approach the user in question - they have obviously contributed a fair bit to the map but all the myid tags and duplicated ways are odd. As an example for the list: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.6593lon=117.5389zoom=14layers=B000 FTF The Muirs Highway has been duplicated (and upgraded to trunk which also doesn't seem right to me). Arie It seems to be duplicated, but I have no idea about its trunk / not trunk status Often newbies spend a lot of time putting in something and need a quick pick- me-up help so they don't get totally discouraged when all their hard work has been wasted. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to undo saved edits?
On 3 February 2010 19:29, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Often newbies spend a lot of time putting in something and need a quick pick- me-up help so they don't get totally discouraged when all their hard work has been wasted. Maybe there should be a tutorial mode added to potlatch, with some predefined exercises and potlatch gives hints or tips on how to improve where they went wrong. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] google maps criticised for unreliable toll road routing
@ http://apcmag.com/google-maps-bug-forces-melburnians-down-toll-roads.htm A bug in Google Maps Australia is forcing people down costly toll roads whether they like it or not. Just a thought - might be a nice reminder to check how we are doing on this front in OSM? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] google maps criticised for unreliable toll road routing
On 3 February 2010 19:46, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Just a thought - might be a nice reminder to check how we are doing on this front in OSM? I've seen some toll booths marked, not sure how any of the routing engines deals with it however. In Brisbane gMaps keeps sending me via Gympie Road when I want to take the Gateway Motorway because it's faster because Gympie Road has heaps and heaps of traffic lights and construction work on the M7 where they cross... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
I spent a couple of days in Canberra recently. Getting around via the OSM maps was great - everything there and accurate. But, when I wanted to find a church on Sunday morning, I could only find one, and sorry, wrong denomination. Maybe a few more churches (all faiths) could be added to the POI's. Also had a bit of trouble locating a convenient petrol station - a lot were "Unnamed". Not helpful when you have a wallet full of Coles or Woolworths discount vouchers. If you guys fix up Canberra, I'll fix up Campbelltown (NSW) ;-) Richard Ben Last wrote: That I can't say... but in general it averages about two weeks at the moment. Cheers b 2010/1/20 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: nice - that would be a great help... how long before the images are visible? jim On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: If it's helps, NearMap started flying a Canberra survey yesterday. 2010/1/14 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: Canberra seems to be fairly well covered OSM-wise although there are still lots of detail that could be added. But there is one obvious blank bit that might be fun to fill in - the Australian National Botanic Gardens. It is a public place so you do not really have to get permission to wander around, and it has it all: roads, fences, swing gates, boom gates, areas, paths, service roads, several different surface treatments, bridges, buildings, speed bumps, pedestrian crossings, directional signs, interpretive signs, POIs, car parking, parking meters, shared roads, benches, shelters, water bubblers, fire hydrants, standpipes, a shop and importantly, a cafe. And all condensed into a manageable area. Given this concentration of OSM features in microcosm, mapping the ANBG might be a good OSM training ground. What would Canberra OSMers think of this as a map-up project? We could just do it although I think it would be a good idea to talk with the management about it first if it is considered worth doing. Disclaimer. I work there :), which might be a good or a bad thing in terms of negotiating access and support from the organization. For instance a classroom with an internet computer and projector might be useful for training in the editing tools or arguing about (sorry, discussing) presentation features and tags, etc. The place has been surveyed a number of times and it should be possible to get permission to use some of this information. jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ben Last Development Manager (HyperWeb) NearMap Pty Ltd ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
On 3 February 2010 21:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: could be added to the POI's. Also had a bit of trouble locating a convenient petrol station - a lot were Unnamed. Not helpful when you have a wallet full of Coles or Woolworths discount vouchers. It might be useful to clarify things when it comes to Coles Express and Woolworths locations as to what the operator/naming should be, if you have a look at the BP import the naming is all over the place, even though a large number of them would be operated by BP directly, but an equally large number are independently owned/operated. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:37 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It might be useful to clarify things when it comes to Coles Express and Woolworths locations as to what the operator/naming should be I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used the operator=* tag - should I? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
Roy Wallace wrote: I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used the operator=* tag - should I? I haven't seen any difference to the rendering with or without the operator tag. What I do find useful is the inclusion of a place name when looking at the list of outlets on a GPS. This makes it so much simpler to ignore those away from my intended direction of travel. So I use names like Woolworths Renmark. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:29 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used the operator=* tag - should I? I haven't seen any difference to the rendering with or without the operator tag. Thanks for the response, but I'm not talking about rendering. What I do find useful is the inclusion of a place name when looking at the list of outlets on a GPS. This makes it so much simpler to ignore those away from my intended direction of travel. So I use names like Woolworths Renmark. Is the name actually Woolworths Renmark, though? If not, it shouldn't be in the name tag...(right?) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
On 4 February 2010 07:58, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Is the name actually Woolworths Renmark, though? If not, it shouldn't be in the name tag...(right?) Should be what ever the registered business name or company name is. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] re Coastline rendering in Garmins Mapsource
Seems Openmtbmap has recently got 'sea polygons' organized. :) Here is a Mapsource Noosa view. It's not 100% for the entire coastline, but it's pretty damn good. http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6421/noosamtb.jpg Regards John k ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Is the name actually Woolworths Renmark, though? If not, it shouldn't be in the name tag...(right?) Strictly correct. But finding the right name for the particular outlet isn't necessarily easy. Searching www.abr.business.gov.au for Woolworths shows variations on Woolworths Petrol, Caltex Woolworths and some where the location forms part of the registered name. I think this is the difference between a directory and a map. A directory should probably have the legally correct name. A map should have the most useful, locally appropriate name. There are plenty of shops whose registered name is meaningless because it's completely different to the signage out front. Certainly, the registered name is an objective fact which no one can dispute, which has some advantages. But if it's useless, then IMHO better to choose something as neutral as possible that will actually impart some information. Case in point, my local IGA is technically called Renaissance, and that's what appears on my credit card statements. I don't know what their technical registered name is, but IGA Renaissance or IGA St Kilda would be much better names than simply Renaissance. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
Roy Wallace wrote: I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used the operator=* tag - should I? I haven't seen any difference to the rendering with or without the operator tag. What I do find useful is the inclusion of a place name when looking at the list of outlets on a GPS. This makes it so much simpler to ignore those away from my intended direction of travel. So I use names like Woolworths Renmark. John H Can we document on the wiki which is Operator and which is Name (for Australia) because I never found it to make sense I suspect Operator is the franchise name - am I right? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
On 4 February 2010 13:01, ed...@billiau.net wrote: Can we document on the wiki which is Operator and which is Name (for Australia) because I never found it to make sense I suspect Operator is the franchise name - am I right? I've been setting the Operator to the fuel they supply, eg operator=BP or Caltex or ... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
Can we document on the wiki which is Operator and which is Name (for Australia) because I never found it to make sense I suspect Operator is the franchise name - am I right? IMHO, Operator should act like a controlled vocabulary with a small number of choices. For ATMs, for example, Operator means Commonwealth or NAB, to help people identify ATMs where they don't have to pay fees. Service station operators likewise should be a small list of either BP, Caltex etc. I don't know if that was the original intention of the operator tag, but it is a useful application of it. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] google maps criticised for unreliable toll road routing
On 4 February 2010 13:44, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I've only checked Citylink here, but I notice that neither Mapnik nor Osmarender renders tollroads any differently. How strange. Why is it strange that no one put in a request to have them render differently? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
On 4 February 2010 16:01, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: +1. e.g. for Woolworths Caltex petrol, is it Woolworths or Caltex? For those with a discount voucher they're probably more interested in looking for Woolworths stations than Caltex stations... I usually set name=Woolworths Petrol suburb, operator=Caltex or name=Coles Express suburb, operator=Shell Some people have BP cards so being able to search for operator=BP would be useful as well, even if it's independently owned. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] re Coastline rendering in Garmins Mapsource
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not only have they created sea polygons but they have turned the land into polygons also. The only way to do it. John Kitchener wrote: Seems Openmtbmap has recently got 'sea polygons' organized. :) Here is a Mapsource Noosa view. It's not 100% for the entire coastline, but it's pretty damn good. http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6421/noosamtb.jpg Regards John k ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAktqabAACgkQAJovnxfSHxkMhQCgvtdxSGEk6sQot/lM8mDk7e2w DhYAn1UVQLvzEhAK18XLwdD8/TCcjQDT =Rxq0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
