Re: [talk-au] Mapping a blank spot
On 22 July 2010 14:55, {Tim} m526244+osm...@gmail.com wrote:
I, obviously, agree. This situation (speed limits in either direction
bearing no relation to one another) is perhaps more common than you
realise. and upon further thought, apart from trivial cases why should
it not be so?
The trouble is the current API only supports tagging ways, not lanes,
and it doesn't look like this will be added any time soon, see my
other email on what you can do in the mean time about asynchronous
speed limits on ways...
On the other hand, it does draw attention to the fact that, on the
whole, speed limits are not set with any kind of logic at all.
Apart from trying to trap people into breaking the law in places to
increase revenue?
A number of roads locally have the rather refreshing notice Drive to
Road Conditions (presumably, if you are dead, then you mustn't have
been?). How in hell do you tag this? Graveyard humour aside?
For the most part maxspeed is 100, however explicitly stating that on
a sign gives people a goal to aim for, so I can only guess these signs
are an attempt to get people to slow down without setting a hard
limit...
These kinds of speed limits used to be common when cars had much less
capable engines, and in some places you still see signs with a black
circle with a diagonal black line across it,
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Re: [talk-au] Mapping a blank spot
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I just want more people to contribute maxspeed information to make routing more useful, and if people see maxspeed tags everywhere I was hoping they'd either fix them if wrong, or add them to non-residential streets... Fwiw, I think it was probably a good idea to do this. Adding maxspeed information is one of the most tedious tasks possible though. Even on roads I know well I find it hard to do from memory, and frequently the two sides of the road are a bit out of sync. Btw, if anyone knows the Calder Highway, I noticed recently that outbound it's 80 kph for a very long section (to about Calder Park) while 100 kph in-bound. Very odd. Anyone know the story? It's a high accident zone because many streets from the suburb to the west let you onto the highway. So they closed a lot of the crossing points which allowed you to get on the inbound lanes coming from a side street and for outboud they slowed it down to 80. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
How do you tag a winery? I tried tourism=winery but that doesn't render. I guess shop=alcohol would render, but that's not really the correct tag. - Ben I have put them in as tourism=attraction, back in the days when i found a tag and misused it or altered it to fit reality. They are a special sort of of tourism attraction. Not all have cellar door sales, so we should sort out a better type of tagging system to cover vineyard / winery / cellar door sales / restaurant / winery tours whatever else is available at these places. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On 22 July 2010 16:24, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: To indicate specifically that it is a winery, perhaps you could introduce a sub-category like shop=alcohol, alcohol=winery. Some people might think alcohol=* would be used for tagging products rather than purpose... What about tourism=attraction, attraction=winery? There is also meaderies and they serve a similar purpose, but for mead rather than wine, and usually have other honey products for sale... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Recent changes camp
Sam just sent me this link: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/University_of_Canberra/RCC_Canberra It's a wiki unconference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_Changes_Camp ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODBL yet again, but from a pragmatic approach...
On 21 July 2010 05:36, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure how complete it is, but there is a list of data sets and the licenses: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalog If there are any known entries missing, please add them. LWG has put out a request for this earlier, but it may not have reached talk-au shores. Regards Grant ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
Hi. Yes I'm thinking that tourism=attraction is probably the most appropriate tag, in that I'm probably interested in the winery due to tourism rather than commerce. If there is also a restaurant there I'd probably tag that separately. As before, note that a vineyard is a different thing to a winery, and already has appropriate tags. Presumably the winery get their grapes from one or more vineyards, although I am no expert on the matter. :) - Ben. On 22 July 2010 17:31, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 July 2010 16:24, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: To indicate specifically that it is a winery, perhaps you could introduce a sub-category like shop=alcohol, alcohol=winery. Some people might think alcohol=* would be used for tagging products rather than purpose... What about tourism=attraction, attraction=winery? There is also meaderies and they serve a similar purpose, but for mead rather than wine, and usually have other honey products for sale... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODBL yet again, but from a pragmatic approach...
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:50 PM, ed...@billiau.net wrote: On 21 July 2010 05:36, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure how complete it is, but there is a list of data sets and the licenses: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalog If there are any known entries missing, please add them. LWG has put out a request for this earlier, but it may not have reached talk-au shores. Grant What's the lower limit for inclusion on this list? It says rather vaguely more than a few hundred nodes. 80n Regards Grant This page is more complete with regard to data sources, but doesn't list the data we got from ABS (our largest donor). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Imports ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODBL yet again, but from a pragmatic approach...
On 23 July 2010 00:08, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalog *snip* Grant What's the lower limit for inclusion on this list? It says rather vaguely more than a few hundred nodes. 80n Those that imported the data, they make the decision. We have to ask everyone anyway, so it does not matter how many are on the list. / Grant ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
On 23 July 2010 06:41, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I'm thinking that tourism=attraction is probably the most appropriate tag, in that I'm probably interested in the winery due to tourism rather than commerce. Not all places that sell wine in this fashion make their own wine, even if they do grow grapes... Does this still make them a winery? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Wagga Wagga Airport
It looks like it's half a military airfield and half a commercial airport and I've sort of split it up with a couple of relations but I'm not entirely sure what I've done accurately describes the situation. Is anyone familiar with Wagga airport able to comment further on the situation? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wagga Wagga Airport
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: It looks like it's half a military airfield and half a commercial airport and I've sort of split it up with a couple of relations but I'm not entirely sure what I've done accurately describes the situation. Is anyone familiar with Wagga airport able to comment further on the situation? Check out this link: http://www.airservices.gov.au/publications/current/ersa/FAC_YSWG_3-Jun-2010.pdf it may give you some more guidance. -- Babstar ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wagga Wagga Airport
On 23 July 2010 14:39, Babstar babsta...@gmail.com wrote: Check out this link: http://www.airservices.gov.au/publications/current/ersa/FAC_YSWG_3-Jun-2010.pdf it may give you some more guidance. Thanks for that, it shows the airport split up more or less how I split the mutipolygon relations, it also highlighted an unpaved runway I failed to notice... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wagga Wagga Airport
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:39:05 +1000 Babstar babsta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: It looks like it's half a military airfield and half a commercial airport and I've sort of split it up with a couple of relations but I'm not entirely sure what I've done accurately describes the situation. Is anyone familiar with Wagga airport able to comment further on the situation? Check out this link: http://www.airservices.gov.au/publications/current/ersa/FAC_YSWG_3-Jun-2010.pdf it may give you some more guidance. -- Babstar Not really usable as they are copyright. The airport is joint RAAF civil, when I worked there in 1986 the division was the edge of the apron between the control tower building and the hangars so what you have is fairly close. Other comments on this (and it's probably more of a limitation of osm) is that not all that you have marked as taxiways are. When the lines you've marked as taxiways cross onto an apron then the taxiway ends there so at the main apron from the yellow and red line where taxi 'C' crosses that is no longer a taxiway. Likewise where it continues onto the military apron. Also the filet lines onto the runway are not taxiways there only guidance lines the taxiways there join like a t intersection with no link roads. -- Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wagga Wagga Airport
On 23 July 2010 15:13, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Not really usable as they are copyright. It was useful as confirmation, rather than copying... The airport is joint RAAF civil, when I worked there in 1986 the division was the edge of the apron between the control tower building and the hangars so what you have is fairly close. Other comments on this (and it's probably more of a limitation of osm) is that not all that you have marked as taxiways are. When the lines you've marked as taxiways cross onto an apron then the taxiway ends there so at the main apron from the yellow and red line where taxi 'C' crosses that is no longer a taxiway. Likewise where it continues onto the military apron. I had no idea what to tag those as, and there was nothing on map features page to describe these better, feel free to tag them as something else... Also I marked the RAAF taxiway etc as access=military although access=private might be more accurate since you can get permission to transit according the PDF... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wagga Wagga Airport
On 23 July 2010 15:13, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Not really usable as they are copyright. It was useful as confirmation, rather than copying... Useful information for anyone else considering using them as well then. I had no idea what to tag those as, and there was nothing on map features page to describe these better, feel free to tag them as something else... Also I marked the RAAF taxiway etc as access=military although access=private might be more accurate since you can get permission to transit according the PDF... As I said probably a limitation of osm. access=military is good as that's the limitation rather than private. It is correct for the areas as marked. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wagga Wagga Airport
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:24:53 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: something else... Also I marked the RAAF taxiway etc as access=military although access=private might be more accurate since you can get permission to transit according the PDF... Only if your a civil aircraft on contract to the military (...all transient MIL and civil/MIL acft...), if the civil/MIL was civil then yes you could get permission. -- Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
