I've checked and corrected 6 servos in my area (Campbelltown, NSW).
Only 1811 to go.
That includes putting two service roads into ones that are on a corner.
I found that corrected the navigation problem we had in an earlier
thread.
Richard C.
John Smith wrote:
On 8 February 2010 21:48,
On 13 February 2010 18:30, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
I've checked and corrected 6 servos in my area (Campbelltown, NSW). Only
1811 to go.
There is probably quite a few BP locations and coles express locations
still needing to be fixed as well that there is no hi-res imagery
David Murn wrote:
All 1817 points were added to the database, although there were 9
pairs of points that shared the same location even though the address
details given were different, bad geocoding...
I must have missed it, but was permission granted by the content owners,
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
Also it's against the laws of physics to get e100, you need additivies
to stop water in humidity bonding with pure ethanol
This happens with lower concentrations of ethanol, one reason why fuel
companies love it and motorists should refuse it.
, and
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Sam Couter wrote:
Methylated spirits these days is nearly 100% ethanol. The main additive
is a bittering agent to discourage people from drinking it and maybe an
emetic agent just in case they do. Back in the days when it contained
methanol people still drank it which did
On 10 February 2010 20:28, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
This happens with lower concentrations of ethanol, one reason why fuel
companies love it and motorists should refuse it.
In theory small amounts of water mixed like that shouldn't be a
problem in most current engines,we're talking
On 8 February 2010 21:48, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
This link has a download for Caltex and Caltex Woolworths servos, in CSV
format:
http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx
All 1817 points were added to the database, although there were 9
pairs of points that
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 23:44 +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 8 February 2010 21:48, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
This link has a download for Caltex and Caltex Woolworths servos, in CSV
format:
http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx
All 1817 points were added
On 11 February 2010 04:34, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
I must have missed it, but was permission granted by the content owners,
or is someone hoping to use OSM in a legal testcase?
There is now 2 precedents on the issue, lists of facts now won't be
considered copyright in
I can't help wondering if this chain got off the original topic at some
point...
On 8 February 2010 15:18, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
Seems that was what was being suggested, or more to the point, don't
tag incorrectly for the navigator, eg using the name field incorrectly
to
On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 20:25 +1100, Ben Kelley wrote:
I can't help wondering if this chain got off the original topic at
some point...
The topic was someone using OSM maps on his GPS during a visit to
Canberra, and having difficulty finding a service station that would
take his wallet full of
On 8 February 2010 20:32, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
The topic was someone using OSM maps on his GPS during a visit to
Canberra, and having difficulty finding a service station that would
take his wallet full of fuel discount vouchers.
Well Coles Express locations exist now in
That would have to go into a supplementary field that appears on the
GPS. I tried doing this for my local servos. The only ones that have
any supplementary info are the BP servos. (On the Etrex, I can get the
info by "clicking" on the selected servo). The BP's just show the phone
number. I
This link has a download for Caltex and Caltex Woolworths servos, in
CSV format:
http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx
Anyone care to add it to the database? That one's outside my skills at
this stage.
Richard
John Smith wrote:
On 8 February 2010 20:32, David Murn
On 8 February 2010 21:48, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
This link has a download for Caltex and Caltex Woolworths servos, in CSV
format:
http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx
Ta, didn't see that page, I emailed Woolworths Petrol earlier for the
information
W here we go again, anyone else want to take a stab at what to tag things :)
Eftpos Avail,Workshop Avail,Car Wash Avail,Disabled Toilets Avail,ATM
Avail,BBQ Gas Avail,Truckstop Facility Avail,Starcash Avail,
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I agree that the interface on could be better on http://www.osmfuel.org/
seems strange to me why they use google maps as background!? But that is
definitely off-topic!
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I agree that the interface on could be better on http://www.osmfuel.org/
seems strange to me why they use google maps as background!? But that is
definitely off-topic!
I'm definitely seeing an OSM map, with detail I've added recently.
But service station sites are a
On 9 February 2010 05:09, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I'm definitely seeing an OSM map, with detail I've added recently.
The powered by Google image is probably confusing people, but it looks
like mapnik produced tiles to me.
But service station sites are a different matter. Those I
John Smith wrote:
I've cc'd the contact email on this email, it doesn't look like the
locations update very often or at all to me either. There should be a
lot more locations now that some bulk imports have occurred.
I e-mailed them yesterday, asking if/how we could add more fuel types,
like
On 9 February 2010 08:40, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I e-mailed them yesterday, asking if/how we could add more fuel types,
like e10.
Just click on the location a couple of times and there is a list box
where you can add fuel types.
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Just click on the location a couple of times and there is a list box
where you can add fuel types.
Maybe I'm missing something, but there's ethanol and e85. No e10,
and no way I can see to add it.
I've already added octane_91 to the servos in my area.
John H
On 9 February 2010 10:17, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but there's ethanol and e85. No e10,
and no way I can see to add it.
I was guessing ethanol = e10
I've already added octane_91 to the servos in my area.
I'm not sure that adding information there
John Smith wrote:
I was guessing ethanol = e10
I take ethanol as meaning e100 (like what's available in Brazil).
I'm not sure that adding information there gets uploaded back to OSM
if they don't keep their database of locations updated.
I assumed it doesn't. But adding octane_91 (which is
On 9 February 2010 10:56, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I take ethanol as meaning e100 (like what's available in Brazil).
It doesn't explicitly state one way or the other on the wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fuel
Also it's against the laws of physics to get e100, you need
John Smith wrote:
On 9 February 2010 10:56, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I take ethanol as meaning e100 (like what's available in Brazil).
It doesn't explicitly state one way or the other on the wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fuel
Also it's against the laws of
On 9 February 2010 13:25, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
As a term for automotive fuel, e100 means that there's no
petroleum/gasoline whatsoever in the mix:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ethanol_fuel_mixtures
Similarly, I take biodiesel to mean b100, as is sold at at least one
John Smith wrote:
As per a previous email, the author has offered to send me a copy of
his code, not sure that I'll be able to do much with it since it's in
python, but ya never know.
Well I've got half-way through Learning Python by Mark Lutz since I
retired.
Ideally the fuels shown
On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 15:43 +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 7 February 2010 15:33, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
They have 4c coles voucher plus 4c instore, however last time I
travelled past they didnt pass on the ethanol rebate. You can spot
those who pass on the ethanol rebate,
But that probably won't show up when you do a waypoint search - it
certainly won't on my Etrex. So the best coding is using "name=Coles
Express" or "name=Woolworths discount" (or whatever the Woolies ones
are called). That show up as soon as you do a search for Fuel services.
Richard
Steve
On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 23:06 +1100, Richard Colless wrote:
But that probably won't show up when you do a waypoint search - it
certainly won't on my Etrex. So the best coding is using name=Coles
Express or name=Woolworths discount (or whatever the Woolies ones
are called). That show up as soon
On 8 February 2010 13:16, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Thats fine if youre looking for a place that accepts woolworths cards,
but what about if you have a caltex or shell card and want to search for
someone who'll take that.
If you want a POI search, you simply extract the various
On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 13:21 +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 8 February 2010 13:16, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Thats fine if youre looking for a place that accepts woolworths cards,
but what about if you have a caltex or shell card and want to search for
someone who'll take that.
On 8 February 2010 14:09, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Is this the start of a new cliche? 'Tagging for the navigator'
Seems that was what was being suggested, or more to the point, don't
tag incorrectly for the navigator, eg using the name field incorrectly
to indicate discounts
On 6 February 2010 17:59, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
So that's another scheme again - the one our way works just like Woolies and
Coles but is tied in with United.
I don't think you can express this information easily to both humans
and computers with just one tag, will need a
Not so, John. We regularly shop at Woolworths, and when our grocery
bill (or LiquorLand purchase) is more than $30, we get a fuel discount
voucher printed on the bottom of the docket. We don't use loyalty cards/
Richard
John Henderson wrote:
John Smith wrote:
The easiest is operator =Shell, name = Coles Express Campbelltown
(discount voucher) or operator - Shell , name = Shell Luddenham (no
vouchers). This is in accord with the actual trading names. I think
there is a similar situation for Woolworths/Caltex servos.
Richard.
John Smith wrote:
I've just made a bulk upload of Coles Express locations from their website:
http://www.colesexpress.com.au/store-locator/gps-poi.aspx
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3803645
Most likely there will be duplicates just as there were when the BP
locations were imported, unfortunately
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote:
I've just made a bulk upload of Coles Express locations from their website:
http://www.colesexpress.com.au/store-locator/gps-poi.aspx
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3803645
Most likely there will be duplicates just as there were when
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote:
Most likely there will be duplicates just as there were when the BP
locations were imported, unfortunately Coles Express only gives a name
+ location, and not the rest of the information like BP does.
In the set I just checked none were more than 500m
On 6 February 2010 20:56, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
In the set I just checked none were more than 500m from where I last saw the
servo
so it could be a better set than BP overall
Most of the ones I've seen are about the same, so their geocoding
service is much better, at a guess due to
I've been sent a couple of PDFs for locations of independent servos,
but no lat/lon information, does anyone know of a suitable geocoding
service that can be used?
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Richard Colless wrote:
Not so, John. We regularly shop at Woolworths, and when our grocery bill
(or LiquorLand purchase) is more than $30, we get a fuel discount
voucher printed on the bottom of the docket. We don't use loyalty cards/
As do I if I forget to have my card scanned, of course.
Point is, you don't care which of several schemes a servo belongs to.
What you care about is will they accept my docket?
Suggestion:
fuel:woolworths_discount=yes
fuel:coles_discount=yes
...
Steve
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On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 21:27 +1100, Liz wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote:
I've just made a bulk upload of Coles Express locations from their website:
http://www.colesexpress.com.au/store-locator/gps-poi.aspx
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3803645
Most
On 7 February 2010 08:21, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Point is, you don't care which of several schemes a servo belongs to.
What you care about is will they accept my docket?
Suggestion:
fuel:woolworths_discount=yes
fuel:coles_discount=yes
Except none of them allow you to use
On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 11:29 +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 7 February 2010 08:21, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Suggestion:
fuel:woolworths_discount=yes
fuel:coles_discount=yes
Except none of them allow you to use multiple offers...
Well, some of them allow for say 4c if you
On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 12:40 +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 7 February 2010 12:31, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Well, some of them allow for say 4c if you have a docket and another 4c
if you purchase items instore, so maybe fuel:instore_discount=yes
Which most of the time due to
On 7 February 2010 15:33, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
They have 4c coles voucher plus 4c instore, however last time I
travelled past they didnt pass on the ethanol rebate. You can spot
those who pass on the ethanol rebate, as the ethanol fuel is cheaper
than regular unleaded.
On Sun, 7 Feb 2010, David Murn wrote:
The Shell at Marulan on the Hume Highway is one good example of both
these cases. Its remote so theres not much other option to buy
elsewhere, so the mark-up is for convenience of being 50km from the
nearest supermarket.
that's not remote!
however i
On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 16:01 +1000, Roy Wallace wrote:
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 1:01 PM, ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Can we document on the wiki which is Operator and which is Name
(for Australia) because I never found it to make sense
+1. e.g. for Woolworths Caltex petrol, is it Woolworths
On 5 February 2010 23:42, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Maybe we should have some sort of fuel:discount tag?
fuel:shopper_docket=yes ?
discount is too ambiguous, discount for what?
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On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 08:50 +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 5 February 2010 23:42, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Maybe we should have some sort of fuel:discount tag?
fuel:shopper_docket=yes ?
discount is too ambiguous, discount for what?
fuel:discount=woolworths
Alternatively,
On 6 February 2010 09:31, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
Most Woolies customers no longer receive a docket entitling them to fuel
discount. It's all done by scanning the Everyday Rewards plastic card.
Those that don't want to give their privacy away still get a bar code
on a docket.
On 6 February 2010 09:47, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Alternatively, what about operator=caltex;woolworths ? Can you have
multiple values for operator tag?
Yes, but it's a pain to try and parse them afterwards.
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On 6 February 2010 15:29, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
mine's an IGA discount
from Ritchies
and I have seen others around the area where the local supermarket has an
agreement with the fuel outlet
so add in other
Most of the IGA discounts I've seen require you to produce a fuel
receipt and
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote:
On 6 February 2010 15:29, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
mine's an IGA discount
from Ritchies
and I have seen others around the area where the local supermarket has an
agreement with the fuel outlet
so add in other
Most of the IGA discounts I've
I spent a couple of days in Canberra recently. Getting around via the
OSM maps was great - everything there and accurate.
But, when I wanted to find a church on Sunday morning, I could only
find one, and sorry, wrong denomination. Maybe a few more churches (all
faiths) could be added to the
On 3 February 2010 21:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
could be added to the POI's. Also had a bit of trouble locating a convenient
petrol station - a lot were Unnamed. Not helpful when you have a wallet
full of Coles or Woolworths discount vouchers.
It might be useful to clarify
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:37 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
It might be useful to clarify things when it comes to Coles Express
and Woolworths locations as to what the operator/naming should be
I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used
the operator=*
Roy Wallace wrote:
I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used
the operator=* tag - should I?
I haven't seen any difference to the rendering with or without the
operator tag.
What I do find useful is the inclusion of a place name when looking at
the list of outlets
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:29 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used
the operator=* tag - should I?
I haven't seen any difference to the rendering with or without the
operator tag.
Thanks for the response, but I'm not
On 4 February 2010 07:58, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Is the name actually Woolworths Renmark, though? If not, it
shouldn't be in the name tag...(right?)
Should be what ever the registered business name or company name is.
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
Is the name actually Woolworths Renmark, though? If not, it
shouldn't be in the name tag...(right?)
Strictly correct. But finding the right name for the particular outlet
isn't necessarily easy. Searching
Roy Wallace wrote:
I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used
the operator=* tag - should I?
I haven't seen any difference to the rendering with or without the
operator tag.
What I do find useful is the inclusion of a place name when looking at
the list of
On 4 February 2010 13:01, ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Can we document on the wiki which is Operator and which is Name
(for Australia) because I never found it to make sense
I suspect Operator is the franchise name - am I right?
I've been setting the Operator to the fuel they supply, eg
Can we document on the wiki which is Operator and which is Name
(for Australia) because I never found it to make sense
I suspect Operator is the franchise name - am I right?
IMHO, Operator should act like a controlled vocabulary with a small
number of choices. For ATMs, for example, Operator
On 4 February 2010 16:01, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
+1. e.g. for Woolworths Caltex petrol, is it Woolworths or Caltex? For
those with a discount voucher they're probably more interested in
looking for Woolworths stations than Caltex stations...
I usually set name=Woolworths
If it's helps, NearMap started flying a Canberra survey yesterday.
2010/1/14 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com:
Canberra seems to be fairly well covered OSM-wise although there are
still lots of detail that could be added.
But there is one obvious blank bit that might be fun to fill in - the
nice - that would be a great help... how long before the images are
visible?
jim
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote:
If it's helps, NearMap started flying a Canberra survey yesterday.
2010/1/14 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com:
Canberra seems to be fairly
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