Re: [Talk-transit] simplified relations for transit

2010-08-17 Thread john whelan
Taking this a bit further there is a blog that talks about displaying routes on a map, the last example on the page has a route number on it which might be useful. www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/05/29/look-ma-no-hands/ Cheerio John On 16 August 2010 14:52, Hillsman, Edward

Re: [OSM-talk-be] busroutes

2010-08-17 Thread Ivo De Broeck
Using 2 different relations solve also the problem of a terminus. See http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=50.85077lon=4.75625zoom=17 for the example 'Pimberg (end of line 9 Bertem-Leuven-Pimberg). The 9* is the route backward (Pimberg - Leuven - Bertem). See also

Re: [OSM-talk-be] busroutes

2010-08-17 Thread Ben Laenen
Ivo De Broeck wrote: 2010/8/17 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com What problems of a terminus? Terminus halts just get a terminus role in the relation. And if one end of the line isn't a terminus stop, but a normal halt where it just turns back without waiting it doesn't get a terminus role

Re: [OSM-talk-be] busroutes

2010-08-17 Thread Ivo De Broeck
2010/8/10 Marc Coevoet sintsix...@gmail.com I have all the data from delijn.be . Somebody can always come and discuss ;-) http://www.mediafire.com/file/nnjuimwwmm2/generalexport_2010-02-18.zip description: http://www.mediafire.com/file/myvn5f4iqtu/interface%20delijndata_v1_03.pdf I

Re: [OSM-talk-be] busroutes

2010-08-17 Thread Ben Laenen
Ivo De Broeck wrote: 2010/8/10 Marc Coevoet sintsix...@gmail.com I have all the data from delijn.be . Somebody can always come and discuss ;-) I was stupid , did not look to those files. Now i see De Lijn works with vvm_trips between vvm_places. I suppose some data can be used in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-17 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
TimSC mapp...@... writes: Hi all, Apologies if this has been raised before, but I was wondering about GPS track data and licenses. Presumably we are using public GPS trace data under CC-BY-SA. By the way, it would be helpful to clarify that on the wiki. I'll ignore the problem of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-17 Thread TimSC
On 17/08/10 08:58, Jukka Rahkonen wrote I have understood that uploaded GPS track logs that we have now are effectively public domain. They are facts (even they do not allways tell the truth) and they miss all the creativity so they are not copyrightable. Since there was substantial

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Simple question about CT

2010-08-17 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Anthony o...@inbox.org To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org; revi...@pacific-rim.net Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Simple question about CT On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:40 AM, David

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CT Open Issues

2010-08-17 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:03 PM Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] CT Open Issues Is there a page similar to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-17 Thread Peter Millar
For some of us, our tracks a works of art; at least artful. Certainly, Jeremy Wood thinks so: http://www.gpsdrawing.com/maps/traverse-me/prints.html -- Peter Millar (sherbourne) - 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-17 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
80n 80n...@... writes: Jukka Rahkonen wrote: I have understood that uploaded GPS track logs that we have now are effectively public domain. They are facts (even they do not allways tell the truth) and they miss all the creativity so they are not copyrightable. Is this a correct

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:54 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi wrote: TimSC mapp...@... writes: Hi all, Apologies if this has been raised before, but I was wondering about GPS track data and licenses.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-17 Thread Rob Myers
On 08/17/2010 05:35 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/17 Eugene Alvin Villarsea...@gmail.com: It's no more or less factual than recording temperature and other meteorological data at a weather station. IMHO it is not comparable at all, because we don't turn simply the gps on and wait what

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 01:51, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: It's no more or less factual than recording temperature and other meteorological data at a weather station. In most countries various government and non-government organisations try to claim copyright over that sort of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is tracing from Yahoo allowed under the CT's

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 09:37, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: By the way, all the images I've personally seen in the Yahoo API (this isn't the same as maps.yahoo.com) are most likely USGS. So there is no license. It's public domain. Maybe for the US, but what about the rest of the world? AFAIK they

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is tracing from Yahoo allowed under the CT's

2010-08-17 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:45 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 August 2010 09:37, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: By the way, all the images I've personally seen in the Yahoo API (this isn't the same as maps.yahoo.com) are most likely USGS.  So there is no license.  It's

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is tracing from Yahoo allowed under the CT's

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 09:53, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: In my experience the Yahoo imagery outside the US is fairly low resolution. But I haven't looked everywhere, so maybe I'm missing some. They cover about 50,000km^2 for Australia in reasonably high res imagery... Apparently Yahoo gets

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is tracing from Yahoo allowed under the CT's

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 10:12, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: No. It doesn't. Even if satellite images can be copyrighted (and that alone is questionable), using them to make ways which follow roads almost surely wouldn't constitute a derivative work, because it doesn't copy any of the arguably

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-17 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand your message. I think no one has suggested to add empty tags. Its seems (according to this thread) that some people used to add three empty nodes (no tag) to signal a way to be continued, instead of useing fixme or note tag)...

[OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread Jonas Stein
You can rent a lot of things. Today (2010-08-16) there is a different approach for each thing you can rent. * car * bike * boat All have common keys like operator and so on. They only differ in the item you can rent. This proposal will be a fusion of all rentals to one. *

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 07:47, Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de wrote: You can rent a lot of things. Today (2010-08-16) there is a different approach for each thing you can rent. * car * bike * boat Aren't these shops? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Malcolm Herring
The data models specified in: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lights_Data_Model http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buoy_Data_Model http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beacon_Data_Model (more will follow as we progress) are all part of the OpenSeaMap project. They define a namespace with tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Andreas Labres
On 17.08.10 11:42, Malcolm Herring wrote: Since these tags relate to nodes not used by OpenStreetMap, we (i.e. the OSM community as a whole) do not have to decide on one scheme or another since it has no impact on the map. -1. Continuing dispute between the two groups (accompanied by

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 17.08.2010 10:38, John Smith wrote: On 17 August 2010 07:47, Jonas Steinn...@jonasstein.de wrote: You can rent a lot of things. Today (2010-08-16) there is a different approach for each thing you can rent. * car * bike * boat Aren't these shops? I'm not a native speaker, but

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 21:09, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Of course there are shops, where you can buy AND rent a bike or a car - but that's an additional argument to tag it different: shop=car; rent=car; I would have suggested something along the lines of... shop=rental

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread Jonas Stein
I would have suggested something along the lines of... shop=rental There are many 'rentals' where shop would not fit like trolley, watering-can, ... rental:car=yes/no rental:bike=yes/no rental:truck=yes/no rental:van=yes/no rental:bus=yes/no etc... that would lead to fee:car=yes

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/17 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 17 August 2010 21:09, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Of course there are shops, where you can buy AND rent a bike or a car - but that's an additional argument to tag it different: shop=car; rent=car; +1 I would have

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 17.08.2010 14:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: so how would you tag a bicycle shop which rents bikes as well? I don't think that we need shop=rental, but rental:car=yes/no etc. might be a way to go, given that multiple values still seem to be a problem. +1

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-17 Thread Jonas Stein
there are many empty nodes in the osm database. In the IRC channel i was told, that there are users who paint empty nodes in the map to mark things like road is not mapped, but continues here Is there already a decision about dealing with empty nodes? Yes, there is

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 22:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: so how would you tag a bicycle shop which rents bikes as well? I don't think that we need shop=rental, but rental:car=yes/no etc. might be a way to go, given that multiple values still seem to be a problem. You would

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 17.08.2010 15:10, John Smith wrote: On 17 August 2010 22:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: so how would you tag a bicycle shop which rents bikes as well? I don't think that we need shop=rental, but rental:car=yes/no etc. might be a way to go, given that multiple values

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 23:13, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: It's the same question in other cases, too: - post offices as service of normal shops vs. selling office stuff as service of post offices The primary purpose is handling mail and mail related items, eg stamps, everything

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/17 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 17 August 2010 23:13, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: It's the same question in other cases, too: - post offices as service of normal shops vs. selling office stuff as service of post offices The primary purpose is handling

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 August 2010 23:40, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: might be true in your area, is not in Germany in part of the offices: German post decided that it was cheaper to close lots of offices and let local convenience stores sell postal products (service point inside

[OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-17 Thread Valent Turkovic
I have seen that some people put simple pushpins on osm maps. Can't find on WIKI or anywhere how to do that so please point me in the right direction. Cheers, Valent. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality,

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-17 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen that some people put simple pushpins on osm maps. Can't find on WIKI or anywhere how to do that so please point me in the right direction. - navigate to the location and zoom that you like - press

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-17 Thread jynus
2010/8/17 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen that some people put simple pushpins on osm maps. Can't find on WIKI or anywhere how to do that so please point me in the right direction. On the wiki:

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-17 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I have seen that some people put simple pushpins on osm maps. Can't find on WIKI or anywhere how to do that so please point me in the right direction. - navigate to the location and zoom that you like - press permalink - change lat to mlat, change

[OSM-legal-talk] Is tracing from Yahoo allowed under the CT's

2010-08-17 Thread David Groom
Is there anything available which would allow a user who has signed up to the Contributor Terms to believe that he / she is allowed to trace from Yahoo ? From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Yahoo#Legalities The agreement allows us to derive our vector-based map data from the aerial

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-17 Thread Fips Schneider
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - navigate to the location and zoom that you like - press permalink - change lat to mlat, change lon to mlon - save address This is so...manual. Could perhaps someone add a Marker-Permalink-Link on the map? Would increase the usability a *lot*!

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/17 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: It's no more or less factual than recording temperature and other meteorological data at a weather station. IMHO it is not comparable at all, because we don't turn simply the gps on and wait what it registers, but we actively move around on

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-17 Thread simon
I have seen that some people put simple pushpins on osm maps. Can't find on WIKI or anywhere how to do that so please point me in the right direction. - navigate to the location and zoom that you like - press permalink - change lat to mlat, change lon to mlon - save address Exactly how

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is tracing from Yahoo allowed under the CT's

2010-08-17 Thread Anthony
A good start would be an explanation of why a user *wouldn't* be allowed to trace data from Yahoo. Why do they need permission in the first place? On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:29 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Is there anything available which would allow a user who has signed up

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-17 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: To me, the logical equivalent would be covering every unmapped place in fixmes.) As said before, you can use note instead. But an empty region is diffreent from a road not finished (the initial three dots). As a road not finished (a todo job) is not

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-17 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Le mardi 17 août 2010 à 19:06, vous avez écrit : Is there any part of the earth which is really empty in terms of not having any possible landuse or natural tag to describe it? But putting nodes everywhere with fixme missing landuse would be a big waste of time and resource. -- Renaud Michel

[OSM-talk] Walking Papers integration with OSM.org ?

2010-08-17 Thread Michal Migurski
Hi guys, At this past weekend's State Of The Map conference in Atlanta, the idea of integrating Walking Papers into the OSM site proper came up a few times. I'm interested in pursuing this, potentially creating a branch of the project specifically intended for inclusion on an external site.

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-17 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Could perhaps someone add a Marker-Permalink-Link on the map? Would increase the usability a *lot*! :-) Ummm, Patches Welcome ? ;-) We have something better: The routing demo allows manipulation of multiple

Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Papers integration with OSM.org ?

2010-08-17 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
Michal, It sounds great. If there is an easy way to do this I would love to include the service in our local site (http://www.openstreetmap.cl/). Regards, Julio Costa On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: Hi guys, At this past weekend's State Of The Map

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Malcolm Herring wrote: The data models specified in: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lights_Data_Model http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buoy_Data_Model http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beacon_Data_Model (more will follow as we progress) are all part of the OpenSeaMap project. I

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-17 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any part of the earth which is really empty in terms of not having any possible landuse or natural tag to describe it? But putting nodes everywhere with fixme missing landuse would be a big waste of time and resource. But it's not

Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Papers integration with OSM.org ?

2010-08-17 Thread Michal Migurski
That'd be awesome. One possibility is to flesh out the REST API provided by Walking Papers, keeping it running on a separate host but making the functionality available on various OSM.org servers. -mike. On Aug 17, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Julio Costa Zambelli wrote: Michal, It sounds great. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Aun Johnsen
I have tagged 4 buoys in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) according to the two tagging schemes, if you take a look at this changeset you can see that all the necessary information is repeated several times, just a consequence of two similar-but-different tagging schemes for the same thing. Actually for me

Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Papers integration with OSM.org ?

2010-08-17 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: That'd be awesome. One possibility is to flesh out the REST API provided by Walking Papers, keeping it running on a separate host but making the functionality available on various OSM.org servers. Dear Mike, I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Malcolm Herring
Andreas Labres wrote: Continuing dispute between the two groups I was suggesting that a state of peaceful co-existence can be achieved - Our editors will not alter or remove tags that are not ours, and hopefully this will be reciprocated. and become productive (get nice renderers, get

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-17 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Le mardi 17 août 2010 à 21:10, Pierre-Alain Dorange a écrit : Empty node has no information, it must not be used to mean something ; that's all. Yes, that's basically what I said in my first post. -- Renaud Michel ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Questions on the Contributors Term

2010-08-17 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Hi Nakor, Here is a quick initial answer.  I'll do a bit more research and add to a FAQ and respond further, they sound like questions other folks will want to ask. At 22:57 10/08/2010, Nakor wrote:    Hello, 2)

Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Papers integration with OSM.org ?

2010-08-17 Thread Michal Migurski
On Aug 17, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: That'd be awesome. One possibility is to flesh out the REST API provided by Walking Papers, keeping it running on a separate host but making the functionality available

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-17 Thread Fips Schneider
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17.08.2010 20:56, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Fips Schneider o...@fips-schneider.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - navigate to the location and zoom that you like - press permalink -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Questions on the Contributors Term

2010-08-17 Thread Nakor
OSM use of Toporama is granted explicitly. See: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2010-August/003235.html Richard, This is very good news. Thanks! N. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Peter Wendorff wrote: It's the same question in other cases, too: - post offices as service of normal shops vs. selling office stuff as service of post offices - kind of shops inside shops, in Germany e.g. Tchibo deals with that business model a lot; the real

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Questions on the Contributors Term

2010-08-17 Thread 80n
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Hi Nakor, Here is a quick initial answer. I'll do a bit more research and add to a FAQ and respond further, they sound like questions other

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-08-17 14:10, Liz wrote: On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Peter Wendorff wrote: It's the same question in other cases, too: - post offices as service of normal shops vs. selling office stuff as service of post offices - kind of shops inside shops, in Germany e.g. Tchibo deals with that business

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-17 Thread 80n
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 08/17/2010 05:35 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/17 Eugene Alvin Villarsea...@gmail.com: It's no more or less factual than recording temperature and other meteorological data at a weather station. IMHO it is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Papers integration with OSM.org ?

2010-08-17 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: I'm super flexible. Walking Papers is currently licensed under the GPL, so you won't have any license issues that I'm aware of. I used external libraries like Smarty (http://www.smarty.net), PEAR (http://pear.php.net),

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Arne Johannessen
Malcolm Herring wrote: Andreas Labres wrote: Continuing dispute between the two groups I was suggesting that a state of peaceful co-existence can be achieved - Our editors will not alter or remove tags that are not ours, and hopefully this will be reciprocated. Not realistic IMHO. At

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Arne Johannessen
Bernhard R. Fischer wrote: For a long time now I am interested in tagging seamarks.(short version) Same here. I always knew that there wasn't anything near to consensus about much of anything on that front though, with a lot of bad blood in the German OSM community, which is one of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Papers integration with OSM.org ?

2010-08-17 Thread Michal Migurski
On Aug 17, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: I'm super flexible. Walking Papers is currently licensed under the GPL, so you won't have any license issues that I'm aware of. I used external libraries like Smarty

Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Papers integration with OSM.org ?

2010-08-17 Thread Liz
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, Michal Migurski wrote: big snip I've got some work toward this goal on a branch, mostly consisting of adding a bbox to the URL in the QR code and increasing the print dimensions of the code to account for the consequently higher resolution. If the request doesn't return

[OSM-talk] Bilingual rendering for Greece

2010-08-17 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hi, while working on some special purpose map rendering I was told that it would also be interesting for Greece. So here I have a bilingual map rendering for Greece: http://greece.osm-tools.org/ Please let me know if you consider this useful. Currently the map data of *this* map is not

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: shop=rental rental:car=yes/no rental:bike=yes/no rental:truck=yes/no rental:van=yes/no rental:bus=yes/no I don't like this because this: shop=rental means nothing. It's a shop where you can rent stuff! I'd

[OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-17 Thread Cory Lueninghoener
Hi all, I was inspired a few weeks ago to do something more with all of the GPS traces I've collected over the last three and a half years. After a bit of hacking with Processing, I found I had created a toy that made (in my opinion) some fun art style plots of where I had been:

Re: [OSM-talk] BDFL Moderation

2010-08-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: ...Any moderation will be announced to those people I just mentioned, and not publicly. Why not publicly? On balance, it seems better to not call out individuals publicly which might only make things worse and make

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote: In many cases I have seen empty (as in truely empty) nodes left around as a result of failed imports, or failed uploads of changesets. Or Potlatch bugs. Seriously, guys, creating nodes with zero tags attached, and

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hoe tag ik een voormalige kerk

2010-08-17 Thread Frank Fesevur
Op 17 augustus 2010 07:37 heeft Ronald het volgende geschreven: Ik heb ook diverse van zulke kerken getagd, ik geef ze dan een titel als: voormalige Laurenkerk Is daar de old_name-tag niet voor? Gegroet, Frank ___ Talk-nl mailing list

[OSM-talk-nl] {{Relation|}}

2010-08-17 Thread robert
In Wiki pagina's worden op twee manieren relaties weergegeven: * Via {{BrowseRelation|}} * Via {{Relation|}} In beide resultaten lijken er een of meer links niet (meer) te werken. Dit is uiterst jammer. Wie kan mij de weg wijzen naar een betere manier van opschrijven of Wie kan mij de weg

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] {{Relation|}}

2010-08-17 Thread Maarten Deen
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:22:43 +0200, rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: In Wiki pagina's worden op twee manieren relaties weergegeven: * Via {{BrowseRelation|}} * Via {{Relation|}} In beide resultaten lijken er een of meer links niet (meer) te werken. Dit is uiterst jammer. Wie kan mij de weg

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] {{Relation|}}

2010-08-17 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
In JOSM moet je de remote control plug installeren. Zo'n via link zou ook heel handig zijn op de diverse NL kaarten, zoals naast de permalink. Een foutje op de kaart moet je nu via permalink en dan cutpaste in JOSM plakken. Dat werkt best wel goed, maar met zo'n link kan dat automatisch. Althans

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] JOSM Remote plug-in

2010-08-17 Thread robert
Nee, ik denk dat we over het zelfde praten, alleen voor zover ik ervaring heb met het eventjes/automatisch/met-1-klik JOSM lokaal updaten is mij in de 4 keer dat ik het gedaan heb niet gelukt. Ik ben dus helemaal happy met de Java6 online versie van JOSM, maar vind het jammer dat ik de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] JOSM Remote plug-in

2010-08-17 Thread Lennard
On 17-8-2010 21:48, rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: een internet cafe, moet vervuilen met een/meer .jar bestanden. Ik zou graag willen zien dat ook dat niet meer lokaal neergezet hoeft te woren. Je kunt JOSM compleet, inclusief JRE en al jouw eigen plugins en settings, vanaf een USB-stick

[talk-au] linux.conf.au 2011

2010-08-17 Thread mattwh...@iinet.net.au
Is anybody in Brisvegas interested in running an OSM stand at linuxconf? --- From: Clinton Roy [open...@lca2011.linux.org.au] My name is Clinton Roy and I'm helping to organise linux.conf.au 2011 in Brisbane. Just after the

Re: [talk-au] linux.conf.au 2011

2010-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 05:50, mattwh...@iinet.net.au mattwh...@iinet.net.au wrote: Is anybody in Brisvegas interested in running an OSM stand at linuxconf? I've put in an application for a miniconf... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Fahrradstraße (neue Wikiseite)

2010-08-17 Thread Andreas Neumann
Am 16.08.2010 14:50, schrieb fly: We sieht das eigentlich für wheelchair dann aus wenn vehicle=no gesetzt ist ? Ein Rollstuhlfahrer wird im allgemeinen als Fußgänger angesehen. Das wheelchair=no steht dafür, das Wege für Rollstuhlfahrer auf Grund der

Re: [Talk-de] Bitte um Mithilfe: Friedhofmapping jetzt im wiki

2010-08-17 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 17. August 2010 00:26 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 16. August 2010 21:08 schrieb Falk Zscheile Der Datenschutz hat bekanntlich eine ganz ähnliche Quelle (Art. 1 Abs. 1 GG i.V.m. Art. 2 Abs. 1 GG). U.u. kann es also schon ausreichen, dass die Angehörigen nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Fahrradstraße (neue Wikiseite)

2010-08-17 Thread Sebastian Klein
Andreas Neumann wrote: Oder würdest du dich mit einen Rollstuhl auf die Autobahn trauen? Wenn er 60 km/h schafft ... dann schon. :) Sebastian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] OSeaM und Freie Tonne war: Unterscheidung (war Tiefenangabe alsName)

2010-08-17 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 17. August 2010 03:08 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: Viel trauriger finde ich aber, daß diese Streithähne hier sich offenbar noch immer nicht auf ein gemeinsames, einheitliches Schema geeinigt haben... Irgendwie sollte man die alle mal in einen Raum sprerren und erst wieder

Re: [Talk-de] Tiefenangabe als Name

2010-08-17 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 17. August 2010 07:17 schrieb Mario Salvini salv...@t-online.de: Am 17. August 2010 03:21 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at:  On 11.08.10 21:24, Jan Jesse wrote: water:depth= Mich würde mal interessieren, wieso der key so heißen soll? Welche water:* oder welche *:depth gibt's sonst

Re: [Talk-de] Proposal: Verleih von xy

2010-08-17 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 17. August 2010 01:06 schrieb Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Ist: rental=xy fee=no nicht ein Widerspruch in sich? Nein, es ist nur die große Ausnahme, dass die Geldleistung auf Null gesetzt wird, während die Gewährleistungsansprüche bei auftretenden Mängeln an der Mietsache

Re: [Talk-de] Tiefenangabe als Name

2010-08-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 17. August 2010 10:09 schrieb Falk Zscheile depth könnte beispielsweise auch angeben, wie weit die Wasseroberfläche eines Sees unter normal Null liegt (Nur als Gedankenspiel.) Bezug auf NN kommt mir seltsam vor bei Wassertiefen. Normalerweise bezieht sich das auf den Grund. Was mir noch

Re: [Talk-de] Tiefenangabe als Name

2010-08-17 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 17. August 2010 10:17 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 17. August 2010 10:09 schrieb Falk Zscheile depth könnte beispielsweise auch angeben, wie weit die Wasseroberfläche eines Sees unter normal Null liegt (Nur als Gedankenspiel.) Bezug auf NN kommt mir seltsam vor

Re: [Talk-de] RFC: was soll mit leeren nodes gemappt werden?

2010-08-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Jonas Stein wrote: ich habe bislang leere Nodes geloscht, fand aber gestern einen User im IRC, der malt sich Symbole mit leeren Nodes als Merker. Naemlich mich. Zunaechst muessen wir die Frage klaeren: Wollen wir eine Karteninformation egal welcher Art durch geometrische Anordnung

Re: [Talk-de] Proposal: Verleih von xy

2010-08-17 Thread Jonas Stein
ein Giesskannenverleih - oder meinst du damit nur die ähnliche Taggingstruktur? Ja. -- Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Tipps zum Friedhofmapping gesucht

2010-08-17 Thread Jonas Stein
amenity=water drinkable=no Was, wenn sicher bekannt ist, dass es sich um Trinkwasser handelt? Kann man dann amenity=drinking_water verwenden? Dann sollte aber wenigstens ein Schild Trinkwasser angebracht sein. Ich ueberlege, aber gerade, ob man die vielen zerstreuten Wasserstellen nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Proposal: Verleih von xy

2010-08-17 Thread Andreas Labres
On 16.08.10 23:39, Jonas Stein wrote: Nach und nach stellen wir fest, was man alles leihen und mappen kann. Dabei sind die Verleihstationen strukturell gleich. Sie unterscheiden sich nur in dem was man ausleiht. So wie bei der dancing_school: mir fällt jetzt nicht ein, was der Benefit wäre,

Re: [Talk-de] Tipps zum Friedhofmapping gesucht

2010-08-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 17. August 2010 10:51 schrieb Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de: Was, wenn sicher bekannt ist, dass es sich um Trinkwasser handelt? Kann man dann amenity=st drinking_water verwenden? Dann sollte aber wenigstens ein Schild Trinkwasser angebracht sein. nö, es ist völlig unerheblich, ob da ein

[Talk-de] Seekabel

2010-08-17 Thread olvagor
Hallo zusammen, ich bin gerade durch Zufall auf diese Seite [1] des Kingfisher Information Service gestolpert, auf der die Koordinaten von Seekabeln (XLS-File [2]) rund um Großbritannien gelistet sind. Die ersten beiden Kabel habe ich mir stichprobenartig (Anlandestelle in GB) angesehen und nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Proposal: Verleih von xy

2010-08-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 17. August 2010 11:01 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: So wie bei der dancing_school: mir fällt jetzt nicht ein, was der Benefit wäre, das unter einen gleichen key zu bringen. naja, dort hat man sich doch auch geeinigt (oder?), school=dancing ohne amenity=school zu benutzen. Es gibt

[Talk-de] Garmin 60 CSx via USB-Kabel an JOSM

2010-08-17 Thread o...@tappenbeck.net
andere Befehlsreihenfolge? gpsd und live-gps habe ich nämlich gestartet und im zweiten batch wird immer AutoSaving data to file D:\OpenStreetMap\JOSM\surveyor-20100817-100917.gpx AutoSaving osm data to file D:\OpenStreetMap\JOSM\surveyor-20100817-100917.osm AutoSaving finished AutoSaving data

[Talk-de] Garmin 60 CSx via USB-Kabel an JOSM

2010-08-17 Thread o...@tappenbeck.net
andere Befehlsreihenfolge? gpsd und live-gps habe ich nämlich gestartet und im zweiten batch wird immer AutoSaving data to file D:\OpenStreetMap\JOSM\surveyor-20100817-100917.gpx AutoSaving osm data to file D:\OpenStreetMap\JOSM\surveyor-20100817-100917.osm AutoSaving finished AutoSaving data

Re: [Talk-de] Seekabel

2010-08-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 17. August 2010 11:08 schrieb olvagor o...@terbrueggen.net: Meinem Verständnis nach sind die Daten zu OSM kompatibel (FREE OF CHARGE). Deswegen würd ich die Kabel gerne (händisch) importieren. meinem Verständnis nach nicht. Die Daten kommen von http://www.ukcpc.org.uk/guidelines.asp dort

Re: [Talk-de] Seekabel

2010-08-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 17. August 2010 11:16 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 17. August 2010 11:08 schrieb olvagor o...@terbrueggen.net: Meinem Verständnis nach sind die Daten zu OSM kompatibel (FREE OF CHARGE). Deswegen würd ich die Kabel gerne (händisch) importieren. meinem Verständnis

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