[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #321 09/06/2016-09/12/2016

2016-09-17 Thread weeklyteam 
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 321,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/8110/

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Re: [Talk-ca] Nunavut place names language

2016-09-17 Thread John Marshall 
As someone who does a lot of mapping is in Nunavut.  I think it a great
idea to add the Native language. That way someone could make a custom map
using Native Languages.

However,  I think we should get some feedback from local mappers and other
people who use the data, not someone from Toronto. If you look at the
Government of Nunavut  website http://www.gov.nu.ca/ It's landing page is
in English. So it looks to me that the working Language is English.

How will this affect Apps like Maps.me and OsmAnd?

I feel the common name should be in English and the Native language if
available  added as separate tags.

John

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> You realise that the written language is actually European shorthand which
> was used to record the verbal language.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 16 September 2016 at 17:35, James  wrote:
>
>> I personally dont mind having it in Native language, but if there is
>> going to be changed there should be a corresponding name:en tag as the rest
>> of the world can't read it.
>>
>> One of the reasons I don't mind is: who would possibly use it? People in
>> Nunavut, that's who. It should be as accessible to them as possible. If
>> they dont speak English it creates a barrier of using the Canadian map. Not
>> only that but the northern maps aren't that great as they are even though
>> there have been efforts to improve them *cough* rps333 *cough*.
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2016 5:22 PM, "Andy Townsend"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Canadian mappers!
>>>
>>> The node and relation for Nunavut are http://www.openstreetmap.org/n
>>> ode/305700700 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/390840 .  The
>>> "name" of both of these is currently set to a composite of the Inuktitut
>>> and the Anglo/French name.  Is this OK?
>>>
>>> Different OSM communities have adopted different standards - most have
>>> gone the "most widely used" form in the "name" tag (e.g. in places in Wales
>>> will tend to have a "name" that matches name:cy in mostly Welsh-speaking
>>> areas and name:en in mostly English-speaking ones).  In some places (e.g.
>>> Londonderry/Derry, and around Brussels) a composite of multiple languages
>>> is in use; in still others (e.g. India) a "neutral" language is used
>>> (there, English).
>>>
>>> I did suggest on http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41676348 that
>>> the person who changed the name raise it here; that didn't happen, so I'm
>>> mentioning it :)
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Andy Townsend
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Nunavut place names language

2016-09-17 Thread James 
As john said, the people of nunavut can speak the language, but do they
write it or read it? If not English would be the more popular option

On Sep 17, 2016 10:10 AM, "John Marshall"  wrote:

> As someone who does a lot of mapping is in Nunavut.  I think it a great
> idea to add the Native language. That way someone could make a custom map
> using Native Languages.
>
> However,  I think we should get some feedback from local mappers and other
> people who use the data, not someone from Toronto. If you look at the
> Government of Nunavut  website http://www.gov.nu.ca/ It's landing page is
> in English. So it looks to me that the working Language is English.
>
> How will this affect Apps like Maps.me and OsmAnd?
>
> I feel the common name should be in English and the Native language if
> available  added as separate tags.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
>
>> You realise that the written language is actually European shorthand
>> which was used to record the verbal language.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 16 September 2016 at 17:35, James  wrote:
>>
>>> I personally dont mind having it in Native language, but if there is
>>> going to be changed there should be a corresponding name:en tag as the rest
>>> of the world can't read it.
>>>
>>> One of the reasons I don't mind is: who would possibly use it? People in
>>> Nunavut, that's who. It should be as accessible to them as possible. If
>>> they dont speak English it creates a barrier of using the Canadian map. Not
>>> only that but the northern maps aren't that great as they are even though
>>> there have been efforts to improve them *cough* rps333 *cough*.
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2016 5:22 PM, "Andy Townsend"  wrote:
>>>
 Hello Canadian mappers!

 The node and relation for Nunavut are http://www.openstreetmap.org/n
 ode/305700700 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/390840 .  The
 "name" of both of these is currently set to a composite of the Inuktitut
 and the Anglo/French name.  Is this OK?

 Different OSM communities have adopted different standards - most have
 gone the "most widely used" form in the "name" tag (e.g. in places in Wales
 will tend to have a "name" that matches name:cy in mostly Welsh-speaking
 areas and name:en in mostly English-speaking ones).  In some places (e.g.
 Londonderry/Derry, and around Brussels) a composite of multiple languages
 is in use; in still others (e.g. India) a "neutral" language is used
 (there, English).

 I did suggest on http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41676348 that
 the person who changed the name raise it here; that didn't happen, so I'm
 mentioning it :)

 Best Regards,

 Andy Townsend



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Re: [Talk-ca] Nunavut place names language

2016-09-17 Thread Denis Carriere 
Also all there is a lot of Canadians from BC, Alberta, Ontario & Quebec
that travel for work to those locations by flight and none of them would
understand the Native names of cities, it would bring a lot of confusion to
visitors.

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*GIS Software & Systems Specialist*

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Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 2:12 PM, James  wrote:

> As john said, the people of nunavut can speak the language, but do they
> write it or read it? If not English would be the more popular option
>
> On Sep 17, 2016 10:10 AM, "John Marshall"  wrote:
>
>> As someone who does a lot of mapping is in Nunavut.  I think it a great
>> idea to add the Native language. That way someone could make a custom map
>> using Native Languages.
>>
>> However,  I think we should get some feedback from local mappers and
>> other people who use the data, not someone from Toronto. If you look at the
>> Government of Nunavut  website http://www.gov.nu.ca/ It's landing page
>> is in English. So it looks to me that the working Language is English.
>>
>> How will this affect Apps like Maps.me and OsmAnd?
>>
>> I feel the common name should be in English and the Native language if
>> available  added as separate tags.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, john whelan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You realise that the written language is actually European shorthand
>>> which was used to record the verbal language.
>>>
>>> Cheerio John
>>>
>>> On 16 September 2016 at 17:35, James  wrote:
>>>
 I personally dont mind having it in Native language, but if there is
 going to be changed there should be a corresponding name:en tag as the rest
 of the world can't read it.

 One of the reasons I don't mind is: who would possibly use it? People
 in Nunavut, that's who. It should be as accessible to them as possible. If
 they dont speak English it creates a barrier of using the Canadian map. Not
 only that but the northern maps aren't that great as they are even though
 there have been efforts to improve them *cough* rps333 *cough*.

 On Sep 16, 2016 5:22 PM, "Andy Townsend"  wrote:

> Hello Canadian mappers!
>
> The node and relation for Nunavut are http://www.openstreetmap.org/n
> ode/305700700 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/390840 .  The
> "name" of both of these is currently set to a composite of the Inuktitut
> and the Anglo/French name.  Is this OK?
>
> Different OSM communities have adopted different standards - most have
> gone the "most widely used" form in the "name" tag (e.g. in places in 
> Wales
> will tend to have a "name" that matches name:cy in mostly Welsh-speaking
> areas and name:en in mostly English-speaking ones).  In some places (e.g.
> Londonderry/Derry, and around Brussels) a composite of multiple languages
> is in use; in still others (e.g. India) a "neutral" language is used
> (there, English).
>
> I did suggest on http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41676348 that
> the person who changed the name raise it here; that didn't happen, so I'm
> mentioning it :)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy Townsend
>
>
>
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