Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-01-27 Thread Stewart C. Russell 
Hi Denis,

> We've already imported data under the City of Ottawa license, all of the
> OC Transpo bus stop (minus a few in the downtown core).

Yes, I meant to ask: where was the announcement/discussion of the OC
Transpo import on this list? Where's the wiki process page? The imports
seem to have been done by regular users, not import users, too.

> Going to wait a few hours to accept replies and afterwards we're going
> to begin the import tonight (EST).

Please don't do this - LWG is still working on it.

 Stewart


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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-01-27 Thread James 
Permission should be in the persons own words and not some quest for glory.

We cannot expect to put words in peoples mouths when giving permission by
stating, no sorry try again you should have said it this way or that way ,
oh and you have to do it under surmon in front of the Prime minister as
he's the highest trustworthy authority.

If someone states "I can’t see any issues with it being published to
OpenStreetMap." to me that means it we have the permission to go ahead with
the legal backing of the city of Ottawa. We aren't going to get Jim Watson
to state from his ottawa email that we have the legal write to import the
data as this is what licenses and explicit permission are for.

On Jan 27, 2017 4:18 PM, "john whelan"  wrote:

Note to Dennis:  Apparently it appears that all the data brought in from
the Federal Government Open Data portal and from Vancouver were not brought
in under the Open Data License but under some private arrangement by Paul
Norman.

The Metrolink address data import from the Open Government Portal was
interesting as they actually compared the Federal Government license to the
OSM license and came to the conclusion that it was compatible.  This was
discussed in talk-ca and accepted and it was their independent analysis
that led me to believe we were importing under the federal government's
Open Data license.  Prior to that I was under the impression that Open Data
and OSM did not mix.

Currently we're seeing a lot of references to Open Data in weeklyosm h
ttp://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/8656/
  which leads me to believe OSM
is now more accepting of Open Data.


I really do suggest holding off doing any more until LWG has come up with a
clear answer because I really don't think we have one yet.

Cheerio John





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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-01-27 Thread john whelan 
Note to Dennis:  Apparently it appears that all the data brought in from
the Federal Government Open Data portal and from Vancouver were not brought
in under the Open Data License but under some private arrangement by Paul
Norman.

The Metrolink address data import from the Open Government Portal was
interesting as they actually compared the Federal Government license to the
OSM license and came to the conclusion that it was compatible.  This was
discussed in talk-ca and accepted and it was their independent analysis
that led me to believe we were importing under the federal government's
Open Data license.  Prior to that I was under the impression that Open Data
and OSM did not mix.

Currently we're seeing a lot of references to Open Data in weeklyosm h
ttp://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/8656/
  which leads me to believe OSM
is now more accepting of Open Data.


I really do suggest holding off doing any more until LWG has come up with a
clear answer because I really don't think we have one yet.

Cheerio John

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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-01-27 Thread Steve Singer 

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017, Denis Carriere wrote:


Good day everyone,

Thanks for everyone who provided feedback related to the Ottawa import plan, all of 
the concerns & issues have been
resolved.

Going to officially announce that we will be starting the Ottawa building & 
address import.


I am confused about the state of the license issue still.

I haven't seen anything from LWG saying resolving the questions or saying 
that the ODL-Ottawa is compatible with OSM (What i called situation 1 in my 
email last week).


I don't really understand what these issues are but others have expressd 
concern and I think that needs to be sorted out.


The email from Robert Giggey of Jan 24 5:27pm linked to on the wiki page 
doesn't seem like a permission email for what I called situation 3.


I don't see him saying something along the lines of

"On Behalf of the city of Ottawa I hearby accept the OSM contributor terms, 
and give explicit permission for this data set to be imported into OSM"


Steve







OSM Wiki - Import Plan
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan

Explicit Permission from the City of Ottawa
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan#Explicit_permission

Video instruction (YouTube)
https://youtu.be/OkFCkPBR7PA

City of Ottawa's open datasets
http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/urban-buildings
http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/addresspoints

Tasking Manager #37 (private - invite only)
http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/37

Cheers,

~~
Denis Carriere
GIS Software & Systems Specialist
OSM Account: @DenisCarriere





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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-01-27 Thread John Marshall 
Great work on the Wiki.

Let's start.

John

John Marshall

On Jan 27, 2017 13:32, "Denis Carriere"  wrote:

> Good day everyone,
>
> Thanks for everyone who provided feedback related to the Ottawa import
> plan, all of the concerns & issues have been resolved.
>
> Going to officially announce that we will be starting the Ottawa building
> & address import.
>
> *OSM Wiki - Import Plan*
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan
> 
>
> *Explicit Permission from the City of Ottawa*
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/
> Import/Plan#Explicit_permission
>
> *Video instruction (**YouTube)*
> https://youtu.be/OkFCkPBR7PA
>
> *City of Ottawa's open datasets*
> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/urban-buildings
> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/addresspoints
>
> *Tasking Manager #37 (private - invite only)*
> http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/37
>
> Cheers,
>
> *~~*
> *Denis Carriere*
>
> *GIS Software & Systems SpecialistOSM Account: @DenisCarriere
> *
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-01-27 Thread James 
I've submitted a ticket to the city of Ottawa to fix their links and
requested feedback. The link on the import plan wiki was already up to
date, just not the one on the dataset directly. You can get the direct link
by visiting data.ottawa.ca and from the front page click Read the City of
Ottawa Open Data Licence Version 2.0


01/27/2017 - 14:07 Thank you for providing your feedback to us regarding
ottawa.ca.
Your reference number is 800.
We will provide you with an update on your feedback within 5 business days.
Regards, ServiceOttawa

This e-mail originates from the City of Ottawa e-mail system. Any
distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains
by other than the intended recipient(s) is unauthorized. Thank you.

Le présent courriel a été expédié par le système de courriels de la Ville
d'Ottawa. Toute distribution, utilisation ou reproduction du courriel ou
des renseignements qui s'y trouvent par une personne autre que son
destinataire prévu est interdite. Je vous remercie de votre collaboration.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 2:02 PM, James  wrote:

> http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/get-know-your-city/open-data#
> open-data-licence-version-2-0
>
> Is the correct link, if it's on the wiki, I'll update it as the city has
> been updating/breaking there data.ottawa.ca
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Michael Reichert  wrote:
>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> Am 2017-01-24 um 21:05 schrieb James:
>> > The sources are now available on the city of Ottawa's website. As such
>> was
>> > the major hurdle last time to proceed with the import and it is now
>> taken
>> > care of (http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/urban-buildings) and the local
>> > community in agreement to proceed, we shall begin to do so in the coming
>> > days.
>>
>> Thank you for the link to the data. The link to the license on that page
>> (http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-lic
>> ence-version-20)
>> returns error 404. archive.org has an archieved version of that page
>> from October 2016 but it would be better if their open data portal
>> contained working links to the license texts.
>>
>> You are in touch with them, aren't you? Could you please ask them to fix
>> that broken link.
>>
>> Please note that this is not a show-stopper.
>>
>> > The documentation has been updated here:
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan
>> > Please refer to it if you have any questions.
>>
>> The license (http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/get-know-your-city/open-data)
>> linked from the wiki page contains the phrase "for any lawful purpose".
>> Is it compatible to OSM? I don't know if it is compatible, I haven't
>> looked if this issue has been solved or is still open. There was some
>> discussion about licenses with such phrases on Legal-talk mailing list
>> some months ago.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-01-27 Thread Michael Reichert 
Hi James,

Am 2017-01-24 um 21:05 schrieb James:
> The sources are now available on the city of Ottawa's website. As such was
> the major hurdle last time to proceed with the import and it is now taken
> care of (http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/urban-buildings) and the local
> community in agreement to proceed, we shall begin to do so in the coming
> days.

Thank you for the link to the data. The link to the license on that page
(http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-licence-version-20)
returns error 404. archive.org has an archieved version of that page
from October 2016 but it would be better if their open data portal
contained working links to the license texts.

You are in touch with them, aren't you? Could you please ask them to fix
that broken link.

Please note that this is not a show-stopper.

> The documentation has been updated here:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan
> Please refer to it if you have any questions.

The license (http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/get-know-your-city/open-data)
linked from the wiki page contains the phrase "for any lawful purpose".
Is it compatible to OSM? I don't know if it is compatible, I haven't
looked if this issue has been solved or is still open. There was some
discussion about licenses with such phrases on Legal-talk mailing list
some months ago.

Best regards

Michael


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[Talk-ca] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

2017-01-27 Thread Denis Carriere 
Good day everyone,

Thanks for everyone who provided feedback related to the Ottawa import
plan, all of the concerns & issues have been resolved.

Going to officially announce that we will be starting the Ottawa building &
address import.

*OSM Wiki - Import Plan*
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan


*Explicit Permission from the City of Ottawa*
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:
Ottawa/Import/Plan#Explicit_permission

*Video instruction (**YouTube)*
https://youtu.be/OkFCkPBR7PA

*City of Ottawa's open datasets*
http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/urban-buildings
http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/addresspoints

*Tasking Manager #37 (private - invite only)*
http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/37

Cheers,

*~~*
*Denis Carriere*

*GIS Software & Systems SpecialistOSM Account: @DenisCarriere
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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #340 17/01/2017-23/01/2017

2017-01-27 Thread weeklyteam 
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 340,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/8656/

Enjoy!

weeklyOSM?
who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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