Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario
> The OSM wiki states: Ah, awesome. I see recycling of cutting room floor scraps here; love it. Later, SteveA ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario
I can speak to Maple, living a few km north of it. The OSM wiki states:—CLIP—Use place=suburb to identify a major area in a place=town or place=city with a distinct and recognised local name and identity. Suburbs may have uncertain boundaries, may overlap with other suburbs, and are often best mapped using a node.For areas within a suburb, the tag place=neighbourhood will usually be used. If necessary, place=quarter may be used for an area of a large settlement which is smaller than a suburb and larger than a neighbourhood.—END CLIP—and on that basis I'd say yes, Maple is definitely a suburb of Vaughan, as are 1/2 of Thornhill, Concord, Woodbridge, and Kleinburg. Purpleville and Nashville should likely be classified as neighbourhoods, and Hope and Burrlington (note double "r") as pioneer communities. 16796 Town of Markham, has been a city for a few years. Bill Patterson From: Matthew Darwin To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario The following 2 are not changed, as per my previous comment that I will not update the name if it does not exist in NRCan without further review here. 1) 3 City of Vaughan (Maple) Probably "Maple" should in the addr:suburb field instead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple,_Ontario 2) 6165 City of Prince Edward County There is a "Prince Edward" as a City in Ontario not "Prince Edward County" as a city. Need to drop the word "County" http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FEQSA Comments? Edits are in progress for the other cities that I previously listed... Next up, towns: 16796 Town of Markham 11080 Town of Fort Erie 10641 Town of Whitby 7441 Town of Ajax 7389 Town of Milton 7025 Town of Lincoln 6689 Town of Caledon 6460 Town of Niagara-On-The-Lake 5995 Town of Georgina 5947 Town of Innisfil 5886 Town of Newmarket 5827 Town of Halton Hills 5381 Town of Lakeshore 5036 Town of Pelham 4914 Town of South Bruce Peninsula 4796 Town of Wasaga Beach 4680 Town of Grimsby 4474 Town of Essex 4405 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville 4244 Town of Aurora 4127 Town of Saugeen Shores 3803 Town of New Tecumseth 3720 Town of Collingwood 3574 Town of Kingsville 3188 Town of Amherstburg 3097 Town of Tecumseh 3053 Town of the Blue Mountains 3050 Town of Greater Napanee 2927 Town of Gravenhurst 2837 Town of Midland 2689 Town of Tillsonburg 2667 Town of East Gwillimbury 2600 Town of Lasalle 2542 Town of Bradford West Gwillimbury 2390 Town of Cobourg 2201 Town of Plympton-Wyoming 1993 Town of Erin 1751 Town of Smiths Falls 1648 Town of Ingersoll 1587 Town of Penetanguishene 1527 Town of Mono 1506 Town Of Petawawa 1416 Town of Hanover 1388 Town of Huntsville 1328 Town of Mississippi Mills 1219 Town Of Kirkland Lake 1217 Town of Hawkesbury 1113 Town Of Kapuskasing 1105 Town of Petrolia 1043 Town of Perth 982 Town of Parry Sound 917 Town of Gananoque 914 Town of Prescott 897 Town Of Hearst 847 Town of Espanola 803 Town Of Iroquois Falls 792 Town of Minto 784 Town of Aylmer 715 Town of Marathon 706 Town Of Cochrane 673 Town of Shelburne 669 Town of Carleton Place 528 Town of Arnprior 505 Town of Kearney 492 Town Of Deep River 436 Town of Blind River 409 Town of Northeastern Manitoulin and the Islands 398 Town of Deseronto 396 Town of Bracebridge 326 Town Of Thessalon 278 Town Of Bruce Mines 256 Town Of Smooth Rock Falls 256 Town Of Blind River 238 Town of Gore Bay 218 Town of Deep River 211 Town of Spanish 92 Town Of Laurentian Hills 90 Town of St. Marys 14 Town of Caledon (Bolton) 14 Town Of Bancroft 7 Town of Laurentian Hills 5 Town Of Spanish 2 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville (Stouffville) 2 Town of Caledon (Sandhill) 1 Town of Saugeen Shores (Southampton) 1 Town of Mono (Rosemont) 1 Town of Huntsville (Port Sydney) 1 Town of Clarington (Enniskillen) On 2018-02-16 12:41 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: To start the cleanup process, the following Ontario cities are being changed (remove "City of" or "City Of"). Once that is done, I'll come back with the next batch to process... The idea to remove the city name in its entirety will require careful consideration to ensure the necessary boundary relations are in place and of course more discussion to see if people are comfortable to proceed on that kind of activity. 110707 City of Toronto 45716 City of Hamilton 27234 City of London 25393 City of Brampton 17251 City of Vaughan 16929 City of St. Catharines 16592 City of Kawartha Lakes 16087 City of Thunder Bay
Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario
The following 2 are not changed, as per my previous comment that I will not update the name if it does not exist in NRCan without further review here. 1) 3 City of Vaughan (Maple) Probably "Maple" should in the addr:suburb field instead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple,_Ontario 2) 6165 City of Prince Edward County There is a "Prince Edward" as a City in Ontario not "Prince Edward County" as a city. Need to drop the word "County" http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FEQSA Comments? Edits are in progress for the other cities that I previously listed... Next up, towns: 16796 Town of Markham 11080 Town of Fort Erie 10641 Town of Whitby 7441 Town of Ajax 7389 Town of Milton 7025 Town of Lincoln 6689 Town of Caledon 6460 Town of Niagara-On-The-Lake 5995 Town of Georgina 5947 Town of Innisfil 5886 Town of Newmarket 5827 Town of Halton Hills 5381 Town of Lakeshore 5036 Town of Pelham 4914 Town of South Bruce Peninsula 4796 Town of Wasaga Beach 4680 Town of Grimsby 4474 Town of Essex 4405 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville 4244 Town of Aurora 4127 Town of Saugeen Shores 3803 Town of New Tecumseth 3720 Town of Collingwood 3574 Town of Kingsville 3188 Town of Amherstburg 3097 Town of Tecumseh 3053 Town of the Blue Mountains 3050 Town of Greater Napanee 2927 Town of Gravenhurst 2837 Town of Midland 2689 Town of Tillsonburg 2667 Town of East Gwillimbury 2600 Town of Lasalle 2542 Town of Bradford West Gwillimbury 2390 Town of Cobourg 2201 Town of Plympton-Wyoming 1993 Town of Erin 1751 Town of Smiths Falls 1648 Town of Ingersoll 1587 Town of Penetanguishene 1527 Town of Mono 1506 Town Of Petawawa 1416 Town of Hanover 1388 Town of Huntsville 1328 Town of Mississippi Mills 1219 Town Of Kirkland Lake 1217 Town of Hawkesbury 1113 Town Of Kapuskasing 1105 Town of Petrolia 1043 Town of Perth 982 Town of Parry Sound 917 Town of Gananoque 914 Town of Prescott 897 Town Of Hearst 847 Town of Espanola 803 Town Of Iroquois Falls 792 Town of Minto 784 Town of Aylmer 715 Town of Marathon 706 Town Of Cochrane 673 Town of Shelburne 669 Town of Carleton Place 528 Town of Arnprior 505 Town of Kearney 492 Town Of Deep River 436 Town of Blind River 409 Town of Northeastern Manitoulin and the Islands 398 Town of Deseronto 396 Town of Bracebridge 326 Town Of Thessalon 278 Town Of Bruce Mines 256 Town Of Smooth Rock Falls 256 Town Of Blind River 238 Town of Gore Bay 218 Town of Deep River 211 Town of Spanish 92 Town Of Laurentian Hills 90 Town of St. Marys 14 Town of Caledon (Bolton) 14 Town Of Bancroft 7 Town of Laurentian Hills 5 Town Of Spanish 2 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville (Stouffville) 2 Town of Caledon (Sandhill) 1 Town of Saugeen Shores (Southampton) 1 Town of Mono (Rosemont) 1 Town of Huntsville (Port Sydney) 1 Town of Clarington (Enniskillen) On 2018-02-16 12:41 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: To start the cleanup process, the following *Ontario* cities are being changed (remove "City of" or "City Of"). Once that is done, I'll come back with the next batch to process... The idea to remove the city name in its entirety will require careful consideration to ensure the necessary boundary relations are in place and of course more discussion to see if people are comfortable to proceed on that kind of activity. 110707 City of Toronto 45716 City of Hamilton 27234 City of London 25393 City of Brampton 17251 City of Vaughan 16929 City of St. Catharines 16592 City of Kawartha Lakes 16087 City of Thunder Bay 14787 City of Niagara Falls 13966 City of Kingston 12085 City of Oshawa 11321 City of Barrie 10981 City of Burlington 10347 City of Guelph 9666 City of Brantford 9384 City of Sarnia 9102 City of Windsor 9044 City Of Sault Ste. Marie 8263 City of Peterborough 7819 City of Quinte West 7593 City of Welland 6753 City of Pickering 6608 City of Greater Sudbury 6375 City Of Greater Sudbury 6239 City of Belleville 6165 City of Prince Edward County 5696 City of Cornwall 5269 City Of Timmins 4877 City of Port Colborne 4208 City of Woodstock 3971 City of Thorold 3692 City of St. Thomas 3603 City of Cambridge 3529 City of Orillia 3355 City of Brockville 3098 City of Owen Sound 2733 City of Clarence-Rockland 2377 City Of Pembroke 1549 City Of Dryden 871 City of Kenora 766 City Of Elliot Lake 544 City of Elliot Lake 302 City of Waterloo 241 City of North Bay 78 City of Kitchener 47 City of Markham 18 City of Timmins 3 City of Vaughan (Maple) 2 City of Sault Ste. Marie On 2018-02-12 09:13 PM, Kevin Farrugia wrote: Bernie is correct. "City of", "
Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names
On 17 February 2018 at 00:03, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > On Feb 16, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> With "street" in a street name, it's clear to most everyone that Pine St is >> an abbreviation and Pine Street is the correct unabbreviated Canadian >> English version. It is not clear to me that "Saint Catharines" is the >> correct unabbreviated version of the city's name. In fact it looks incorrect >> to me. > > Thank you, Jarek. However, I politely disagree that your logic of "it's > clear to most everyone that Pine St is an abbreviation..." holds up for > software logic (even as it might "to most everyone.") This is > well-established and the reasoning behind OSM's policy I noted previously. Hi Steve, Thanks for drawing the distinction. I think that automatic software manipulation of names (whether in OSM or elsewhere) is necessarily fraught with problems. It must be done carefully and would be best done on a limited set of fields. There are too many exceptions and unusual values to handle fully automatically. The series of articles "things programmers believe about names", "things programmers believe about addresses" come to mind. It makes some sense in Canadian English street names, which are 1) largely standardized and 2) by convention agglutinative - they have prefixes and suffixes and so on. Thus it might be desirable to replace "Pine Street" with "Pine St" or "Saint Clair Avenue West" with "St. Clair Ave W" for rendering or presentation in short fields. Even there, great care must be taken, or - to use a common example of a "weird" street name - "Avenue Road" might be incorrectly reduced to "Ave Rd". In St. Catharines there is a "South Service Road" which can be abbreviated to "S Service Rd", but also a "South Drive" which might make sense as "South Dr" but not as "S Drive". In Niagara-on-the-Lake there is a "East & West Line", which I invite any algorithm to make sense of. (I specify "Canadian English" as I'm not familiar with Canadian French names or with English conventions elsewhere - and that's before getting into areas with bilingual names.) As in the example given by others, the spelling is important to the cities of Saint John and St. John's. IMHO this should not be automatically modified by software. Thus we shouldn't change names that are correct for the sake of software. --Jarek ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #395 2018-02-06-2018-02-12
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 395, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/10018/ Enjoy! weeklyOSM? who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages where?: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
