Re: [Talk-ca] Question

[James]

Canada Post also regularly changes Postal Code locations to remain the
master of the postal codes  and be able to resell their 5000$/year database(
https://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/assets/pdf/business/pc_latLong_specs_en.pdf).
They have also sued geocoder.ca for collecting user postal codes, which
resulted in many years of litigation and they finally gave up (non-win).

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 5:26 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> Post codes are put in one at a time.  They aren't all there.
>
> If you could help clean them up that would be useful.
>
> Zip codes are different and belong in Donald's land.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, 5:01 pm Pier Luc,  wrote:
>
>> Hello, I live in Quebec City. I tried to use OSMand (based on OSM) in my
>> City using offline mode and the OBF file of the Province of Quebec. Every
>> time I search an address it can not find it! Sometime it offer me other
>> address, sometime not. It's like if only a tiny part of Quebec's address
>> had been insert in Open Street Map. But, it's not exactly the case because
>> is has more address in Open street Map website.
>>
>> Look at that example, searching: 2985 rue de la Broussaille.
>> Osmand can't find it by OSM web site gives:
>>
>> Maison 2985, Rue de la Broussaille, Neufchâtel-Est, Les Méandres,
>> Québec, Québec (Agglomération), Capitale-Nationale, Québec, G2C 0G3, Canada
>> 
>>
>> I think it has a problem there. A lot of information should not be there
>> and the zip code is bad. It should be G2C 1S1. If that address is in the
>> OBF, I supposed the app have difficulties to find it.
>>
>> The good address is: 2985, Rue de la Broussaille, Québec, QC, G2C 1S1,
>> Canada
>>
>>
>> An other test: 920, rue Noël-Carter
>>
>> Osmand can't find it but OSM web site can:
>>
>>
>> École Centre de formation professionnelle Maurice-Barbeau, 920, Rue
>> Noël-Carter, Sainte-Foy, Québec, Québec (Agglomération),
>> Capitale-Nationale, Québec, G1V 1X3, Canada
>> 
>>
>> The good address is
>>
>> CFP Maurice-Barbeau
>> 920, Rue Noël-Carter, Québec, QC, G1V 5B6, Canada
>>
>> An other zip code error and an other address full of "dust".
>>
>> Every-time I tried to find something it's the same thing. It's impossible
>> to use Osmand as a GPS in Quebec City. I think it's because the data in the
>> OBF of the Province of Quebec is bad.
>>
>> Is your work have been put in the OBF? Does is exist and other OBF for
>> the Province of Quebec than the OF we can find there?
>> https://download.osmand.net/list.php
>>
>> Tank-you
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>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Question

[Pierre Béland]

Pier Luc,

Nous ne pouvons importer systématiquement dans OSM les Codes postaux, Poste 
Canada prétendant avoir un copyright la-dessus. Mais il est possible pour une 
adresse particulière (un node avec clé addr:housenumber) d'y ajouter aussi un 
code postal.  On retrouve aussi des lignes d'interpolation d'adresse. C'est de 
cette façon que OSM repère le 2985 rue de la Broussaille
voir https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/104093690Cette ligne débute au 2945
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1201135774et se termine au 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1201130753
Si tu mettais à jour ces deux nodes en y ajoutant addr:postcode=G2C 1S1
Le bon code postal serait disponible rapidement sur le site. Par contre les 
délais de mise à jour des fichiers obf varie selon chaque éditeur de logiciel.

Une bonne façon pour toi comme collaborateur de Québec de mettre la main à la 
sauce!
Pour ce qui est des résultats lors de la recherche d'adresses, chaque logiciel 
a sa propre méthode. Et les logiciels sur téléphone ou tablette doivent 
économiser l'espace disque.  Méthode sans doute simplifiée.

Tu peux essayer le logiciel Maps.Me disponible pour Android et Apple. Et 
comparer si différent de OsmAND.
 
Pierre 
 

Le vendredi 27 avril 2018 17 h 26 min 56 s HAE, john whelan 
 a écrit :  
 
 Post codes are put in one at a time.  They aren't all there.
If you could help clean them up that would be useful.
Zip codes are different and belong in Donald's land.
Cheerio John



On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, 5:01 pm Pier Luc,  wrote:

Hello, I live in Quebec City. I tried to use OSMand (based on OSM) in my City 
using offline mode and the OBF file of the Province of Quebec. Every time I 
search an address it can not find it! Sometime it offer me other address, 
sometime not. It's like if only a tiny part of Quebec's address had been insert 
in Open Street Map. But, it's not exactly the case because is has more address 
in Open street Map website.

Look at that example, searching: 2985 rue de la Broussaille.
Osmand can't find it by OSM web site gives:
Maison 2985, Rue de la Broussaille, Neufchâtel-Est, Les Méandres, Québec, 
Québec (Agglomération), Capitale-Nationale, Québec, G2C 0G3, Canada

I think it has a problem there. A lot of information should not be there and 
the zip code is bad. It should be G2C 1S1. If that address is in the OBF, I 
supposed the app have difficulties to find it.

The good address is: 2985, Rue de la Broussaille, Québec, QC, G2C 1S1, Canada




An other test: 920, rue Noël-Carter


Osmand can't find it but OSM web site can:



École Centre de formation professionnelle Maurice-Barbeau, 920, Rue 
Noël-Carter, Sainte-Foy, Québec, Québec (Agglomération), Capitale-Nationale, 
Québec, G1V 1X3, Canada

The good address is


CFP Maurice-Barbeau
920, Rue Noël-Carter, Québec, QC, G1V 5B6, Canada

An other zip code error and an other address full of "dust".

Every-time I tried to find something it's the same thing. It's impossible to 
use Osmand as a GPS in Quebec City. I think it's because the data in the OBF of 
the Province of Quebec is bad.

Is your work have been put in the OBF? Does is exist and other OBF for the 
Province of Quebec than the OF we can find there?
https://download.osmand.net/list.php

Tank-you




   

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Re: [Talk-ca] Question

[john whelan]

Post codes are put in one at a time.  They aren't all there.

If you could help clean them up that would be useful.

Zip codes are different and belong in Donald's land.

Cheerio John




On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, 5:01 pm Pier Luc,  wrote:

> Hello, I live in Quebec City. I tried to use OSMand (based on OSM) in my
> City using offline mode and the OBF file of the Province of Quebec. Every
> time I search an address it can not find it! Sometime it offer me other
> address, sometime not. It's like if only a tiny part of Quebec's address
> had been insert in Open Street Map. But, it's not exactly the case because
> is has more address in Open street Map website.
>
> Look at that example, searching: 2985 rue de la Broussaille.
> Osmand can't find it by OSM web site gives:
>
> Maison 2985, Rue de la Broussaille, Neufchâtel-Est, Les Méandres, Québec,
> Québec (Agglomération), Capitale-Nationale, Québec, G2C 0G3, Canada
> 
>
> I think it has a problem there. A lot of information should not be there
> and the zip code is bad. It should be G2C 1S1. If that address is in the
> OBF, I supposed the app have difficulties to find it.
>
> The good address is: 2985, Rue de la Broussaille, Québec, QC, G2C 1S1,
> Canada
>
>
> An other test: 920, rue Noël-Carter
>
> Osmand can't find it but OSM web site can:
>
>
> École Centre de formation professionnelle Maurice-Barbeau, 920, Rue
> Noël-Carter, Sainte-Foy, Québec, Québec (Agglomération),
> Capitale-Nationale, Québec, G1V 1X3, Canada
> 
>
> The good address is
>
> CFP Maurice-Barbeau
> 920, Rue Noël-Carter, Québec, QC, G1V 5B6, Canada
>
> An other zip code error and an other address full of "dust".
>
> Every-time I tried to find something it's the same thing. It's impossible
> to use Osmand as a GPS in Quebec City. I think it's because the data in the
> OBF of the Province of Quebec is bad.
>
> Is your work have been put in the OBF? Does is exist and other OBF for the
> Province of Quebec than the OF we can find there?
> https://download.osmand.net/list.php
>
> Tank-you
>
>
>
>
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[Talk-ca] Question

[Pier Luc]

Hello, I live in Quebec City. I tried to use OSMand (based on OSM) in my
City using offline mode and the OBF file of the Province of Quebec. Every
time I search an address it can not find it! Sometime it offer me other
address, sometime not. It's like if only a tiny part of Quebec's address
had been insert in Open Street Map. But, it's not exactly the case because
is has more address in Open street Map website.

Look at that example, searching: 2985 rue de la Broussaille.
Osmand can't find it by OSM web site gives:

Maison 2985, Rue de la Broussaille, Neufchâtel-Est, Les Méandres, Québec,
Québec (Agglomération), Capitale-Nationale, Québec, G2C 0G3, Canada


I think it has a problem there. A lot of information should not be there
and the zip code is bad. It should be G2C 1S1. If that address is in the
OBF, I supposed the app have difficulties to find it.

The good address is: 2985, Rue de la Broussaille, Québec, QC, G2C 1S1,
Canada


An other test: 920, rue Noël-Carter

Osmand can't find it but OSM web site can:


École Centre de formation professionnelle Maurice-Barbeau, 920, Rue
Noël-Carter, Sainte-Foy, Québec, Québec (Agglomération),
Capitale-Nationale, Québec, G1V 1X3, Canada


The good address is

CFP Maurice-Barbeau
920, Rue Noël-Carter, Québec, QC, G1V 5B6, Canada

An other zip code error and an other address full of "dust".

Every-time I tried to find something it's the same thing. It's impossible
to use Osmand as a GPS in Quebec City. I think it's because the data in the
OBF of the Province of Quebec is bad.

Is your work have been put in the OBF? Does is exist and other OBF for the
Province of Quebec than the OF we can find there?
https://download.osmand.net/list.php

Tank-you
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Re: [Talk-ca] Trans-Canada Highway research

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi Olivia,

I spent some fixing tags on TCH ways in *Ontario* in the last few 
weeks.  Do an overpass query on nat_name=Trans-Canada Highway in 
Ontario (see below).


Is it possible to build a query that shows ways with 
nat_name=Trans-Canada Highway and not part of the relation, and 
vice-versa.  It would make the task of fixing the routes easier.  Also 
if the query was built into OSMOSE or another error checker then we 
can have some hope it is less likely to get out of sync in the future.


Also it is not clear if Highway 17A is part of the TCH or not.  
Wikipedia says yes, comments in OSM say it is not.  Some research is 
needed here I guess.


I am willing to help in Ontario.

[out:xml][timeout:100];
{{geocodeArea:Ontario}}->.searchArea;
(
way["nat_name"](area.searchArea);
);
(._;>;);
out meta;

On 2018-04-27 05:37 AM, Olivia Robu - (p) wrote:


Hello,

  Regarding our proposal for Trans-Canada Highway, we came with the 
Wiki page on OSM, as we promised, where we listed all the relations 
that  make up the Trans-Canada Highway. Also, we inserted a status 
column where all of you can see the situation of every relation, 
whether it is broken or not. Here is the link to the Wiki page: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Trans-Canada_Highway. 
*Also, we want to ask you if any of you are willing to help us fix 
the broken relations and keep the wiki page updated with the current 
status?* *After we collect some feedback from you, we want to get 
involved in correcting the broken relations and we will send you an 
update of our progress. *


As we have discussed in the other mails, we want to update 
Trans-Canada Highway (ID 1307243). This will not affect the 
currently existing routes, but it will have the same geometry and 
the following tags:


   type=route

route=road

name=Trans-Canada Highway

 name:fr=Route Transcanadienne - we propose this new tag 
for the route name (as we seen that is used only for the way) due to 
the Francophone provinces through which this new route passes.


Regards,

Olivia

*From:* Olivia Robu - (p)
*Sent:* 29 martie 2018 09:42
*To:* 'talk-ca@openstreetmap.org' 
*Subject:* RE: [Talk-ca] Trans-Canada Highway research

Hello,

Thank you for your feedback, it has been very helpful. In relation 
to that we come with another proposal: to update the super relation 
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1307243)  from the east to 
west of Canada, that includes all the routes and has the folowing tags:


type=route

route=road

   name=Trans-Canada Highway

name:fr=Route Transcanadienne - we propose this new tag for the 
route name (as we seen that is used only for the way) due to the 
Francophone provinces through which this new route passes


Regarding the way name tag and the ref we won't make any changes. 
Also, for the route type (motorway, trunk, primary, secondary, 
teriary) we will ask for your advice for specific cases.


For the broken relations of Trans-Canada Highway we will create a 
wiki page on OSM where we will describe each route and put a status 
of the relation and a comment box for all the members from our 
community to see and maybe help us to fix this problem.


We will come back with un update for the wiki page.

Regards,

Olivia Robu



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Re: [Talk-ca] Trans-Canada Highway research

[Olivia Robu - (p)]

Hello,
  Regarding our proposal for Trans-Canada Highway, we came with the Wiki page 
on OSM, as we promised, where we listed all the relations that  make up the 
Trans-Canada Highway. Also, we inserted a status column where all of you can 
see the situation of every relation, whether it is broken or not. Here is the 
link to the Wiki page: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Trans-Canada_Highway .  
Also, we want to ask you if any of you are willing to help us fix the broken 
relations and keep the wiki page updated with the current status? After we 
collect some feedback from you, we want to get involved in correcting the 
broken relations and we will send you an update of our progress.
   As we have discussed in the other mails, we want to update Trans-Canada 
Highway (ID 1307243). This will not affect the currently existing routes, but 
it will have the same geometry and the following tags:
   type=route
  route=road
   name=Trans-Canada Highway
   name:fr=Route Transcanadienne - we propose 
this new tag for the route name (as we seen that is used only for the way) due 
to the Francophone provinces through which this new route passes.


Regards,
Olivia

From: Olivia Robu - (p)
Sent: 29 martie 2018 09:42
To: 'talk-ca@openstreetmap.org' 
Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] Trans-Canada Highway research

Hello,

Thank you for your feedback, it has been very helpful. In relation to that we 
come with another proposal: to update the super relation 
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1307243)  from the east to west of 
Canada, that includes all the routes and has the folowing tags:
type=route
route=road
   name=Trans-Canada Highway
name:fr=Route Transcanadienne - we propose this new tag for the route name (as 
we seen that is used only for the way) due to the Francophone provinces through 
which this new route passes

Regarding the way name tag and the ref we won't make any changes. Also, for the 
route type (motorway, trunk, primary, secondary, teriary) we will ask for your 
advice for specific cases.

For the broken relations of Trans-Canada Highway we will create a wiki page on 
OSM where we will describe each route and put a status of the relation and a 
comment box for all the members from our community to see and maybe help us to 
fix this problem.

We will come back with un update for the wiki page.

Regards,
Olivia Robu

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