Looks good to me and if Matthew has cast his eye over it and not spotted anything major then I think we can safely say Ottawa is happy with it.
Cheerio John On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 9:57 PM Pierre Béland via Talk-ca, < talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Cela semble bien préciser, mais les collègues d'Ontario pourront mieux > répondre. > > Pierre > > Envoyé à partir de Yahoo Courriel sur Android > <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> > > Le lun., sept. 9 2019 à 3:11 PM, Jarek Piórkowski > <ja...@piorkowski.ca> a écrit : > Hi Pierre, > > (I responded via email at first, but realized one more thing, so > adding on and sending to talk-ca:) > > The proposed wiki addition does start with "In Ontario". However > thanks bringing this up, as I realized I forgot to account for parts > of Ontario where streets will be named in French - this change should > not apply to those. > > I am changing the suggested wording to: > > In parts of **Ontario** that primarily name streets in English, > street and road names containing initial "St." or "St" should only be > expanded to "Saint" when "Saint" is common usage for that street. To > be clear, this overrides the general rule > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29 > for "St." which does not stand for "street". As with other names in > OSM, factors you might want to consider when determining common usage > include spellings posted on street signs ("on the ground" rule), > spellings used in local media, GeoBase street name data, and spellings > used by official municipal sources including open data datasets. See > discussion on talk-ca [0]. > > Would this wording be fine for Ottawa and other bilingual areas, or am > I missing a pitfall? > > Thanks, > --Jarek > > On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 08:51, Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr> wrote: > > > > Marek > > > > Ces instructions ne s'appliquent pas à toutes les provinces. Il faudrait > donc indiquer sur la page wiki à quelles provinces elles s'appliquent > > > > Pierre > > > > Envoyé à partir de Yahoo Courriel sur Android > > > > Le lun., sept. 9 2019 à 2:51 AM, Jarek Piórkowski > > <ja...@piorkowski.ca> a écrit : > > Hello, > > > > I'm following up on the thread about saints and lack thereof in street > > names from a couple of months ago (see archives [1] [2]). > > > > I would like to suggest the following wording added to Canadian > > tagging guidelines at > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Street_names > > : > > > > In Ontario, street and road names containing initial "St." or "St" > > should only be expanded to "Saint" when "Saint" is common usage for > > that street. To be clear, this overrides the general rule > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29 > > for "St." which does not stand for "street". As with other names in > > OSM, factors you might want to consider when determining common usage > > include spellings posted on street signs ("on the ground" rule), > > spellings used in local media, GeoBase street name data, and spellings > > used by official municipal sources including open data datasets. See > > discussion on talk-ca [0]. > > > > where [0] would be a link to this message/thread archive. (Comments on > > the wording and suggestions appreciated!) > > > > Is anyone opposed to this change? > > > > I have attempted to advertise/announce this proposed change. This was: > > - posted in this mailing list in March/April of this year (some quoted > > below, see list archives for more discussion) > > - I posted a note https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1741334 in > > Toronto with a link to this thread (supportive responses from Kevo and > > DannyMcD) > > - on April 10, sent a message [2] with a link to the note to editors > > who were showing up as top editors on > > http://osmstats.neis-one.org/?item=countries&country=Canada > > (they aren't necessarily representative of the community, but it's > > really the closest we can reasonably do given our current tooling) [3] > > (no private message responses) > > - posted on OSM Canada Slack on 17 August > > https://osm-ca.slack.com/archives/CASP8UQNT/p1566053199044200 > > (supportive responses from Matthew Darwin and Eric Geiler) > > - on August 27, sent a few more private messages to editors in top 50 > > on the stats page who had done Ontario edits [4] (no private message > > responses) > > > > If you know of anyone else who might have a further opinion on this, > > please forward as possible. > > > > Thanks, > > --Jarek > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >
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