Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

[Дмитрий Киселев]

Hi John,

Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the correct
> license either separately or a note added to each entry.


what's the status of OGL-CA is it compatible or not,
or compatible with some restrictions or only for some datasets?

StatsCan just published building footprints dataset under OGL-CA it's of
course quite controversial
do we want to import some parts of that dataset or not, but looks like
there is no concerns about
license compatibility (at least on mailing list),
Is that true or not, or we don't have legal answer which we can rely on?

вс, 21 окт. 2018 г. в 11:52, John Whelan :

> Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the correct
> license either separately or a note added to each entry.  I have noticed
> before there is no authority listed on the wiki.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> Дмитрий Киселев wrote on 2018-10-21 10:28 AM:
>
> About source, I suppose it's
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada#Open_Data [12]
>
> вс, 21 окт. 2018 г. в 10:20, Frederik Ramm :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> there's a mapper in Canada - Darthmouthmapper - who seems to:
>>
>> 1. import data from a source he calls "Nova Scotia Open Data" - I am not
>> aware of any imports discussion, and the source specification is not
>> precise enough to determine the legal status of that. Judging from past
>> changeset comments, whatever imports procedure is used must have a
>> number of flaws.
>>
>> 2. import administrative boundaries
>>
>> 2a. as a mesh of closed ways (where most people would prefer relations),
>>
>> 2b. with, among other things, the tags "_Shape_Area_=yes",
>> "addrcountry=Canada" (no colon!), "addr:postcode" (which is not
>> generally used for objects that do not represent an address), and
>> "type=land_area" (which is not generally used on closed ways).
>>
>> 2c. The combination of a level-8 admin boundary and place=village is
>> also unusual (eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/616463020) but I
>> cannot judge if this is normal in Canada. This is also used in
>> residential areas https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/636390857 - is this
>> area really a "village"?
>>
>> 3. use a ton of is_in tags which are highly unusual nowadays
>>
>> 4. occasionally change existing relations (not ways) from type=boundary
>> to type=land_area (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8417484/history
>> )
>>
>> 5. add addr:postcode and addr:province to place=village nodes
>>
>> 6. revert corrections applied to this by other users, claiming that "The
>> video and instructions state these can be part of the ways"
>>
>> A number of people have complained in the past
>>
>> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=698649
>> but many of the issues seem to be present still.
>>
>> Before I ask him to fix this -- are any of the behaviours / mapping
>> techniques outlined above somehow usual in Canada?
>>
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

[Дмитрий Киселев]

About source, I suppose it's

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada#Open_Data [12]

вс, 21 окт. 2018 г. в 10:20, Frederik Ramm :

> Hi,
>
> there's a mapper in Canada - Darthmouthmapper - who seems to:
>
> 1. import data from a source he calls "Nova Scotia Open Data" - I am not
> aware of any imports discussion, and the source specification is not
> precise enough to determine the legal status of that. Judging from past
> changeset comments, whatever imports procedure is used must have a
> number of flaws.
>
> 2. import administrative boundaries
>
> 2a. as a mesh of closed ways (where most people would prefer relations),
>
> 2b. with, among other things, the tags "_Shape_Area_=yes",
> "addrcountry=Canada" (no colon!), "addr:postcode" (which is not
> generally used for objects that do not represent an address), and
> "type=land_area" (which is not generally used on closed ways).
>
> 2c. The combination of a level-8 admin boundary and place=village is
> also unusual (eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/616463020) but I
> cannot judge if this is normal in Canada. This is also used in
> residential areas https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/636390857 - is this
> area really a "village"?
>
> 3. use a ton of is_in tags which are highly unusual nowadays
>
> 4. occasionally change existing relations (not ways) from type=boundary
> to type=land_area (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8417484/history)
>
> 5. add addr:postcode and addr:province to place=village nodes
>
> 6. revert corrections applied to this by other users, claiming that "The
> video and instructions state these can be part of the ways"
>
> A number of people have complained in the past
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=698649
> but many of the issues seem to be present still.
>
> Before I ask him to fix this -- are any of the behaviours / mapping
> techniques outlined above somehow usual in Canada?
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Дмитрий Киселев]

Hi I hope I will,
but I don't have any thought about local chapter and do we want to have a
local not-for-profit org, or not.

It works when you want to get some data / hardware / money from gov or
companies (not from ordinary people).
I'm here not for a long time but looks like gov more willing to work with
OSM directly, as well as big GIS players.
So local chapter is nice but not a neccessary thing.

2017-09-28 9:19 GMT-03:00 Brian Bancroft :

> Hi Matthew,
>
> It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit lately, and
> I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't know about OSM where
> the platform is exactly what they need.
>
> Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would it
> seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal support and
> task management?
>
> Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal
> association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?
>
> I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about what
> your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and others believe
> (or know) it would solve through incorporation and (possibly?)  sweet
> government handouts. I'm guessing that these are the questions you want to
> crunch out while you're at the gathering of interesting people.
>
> Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> *From:* jwhelan0...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* September 28, 2017 7:06 AM
> *To:* scr...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22
>
> I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very
> sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?
>
> Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation? I
> think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions
> recently about the use of OSM in names.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell 
> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
>> > https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>>
>> Nope. Wish I could afford it.
>>
>> > During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
>> > the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
>> > corporation.
>>
>> I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
>> it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
>> do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
>> OSMF Chapter?
>>
>>  Stewart
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[Talk-ca] Kids daycare

[Дмитрий Киселев]

Hi, I'have relocated to Canada Halifax recently, and just want to say
hello, and maybe find some mappers around.


Also, how you guys map daily childcare centers? As kindergatens with some
additional tags or any other tags?


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