On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:19 PM, john whelan wrote:
>> My objective at the moment is to get something sane that can be used
>> by various groups in the city with GPS devices to tag trees, heritage
>> buildings etc.
> You have an opportunity
> Wholesale deletion of the work of many volunteers without their
> consent seems even less likely to generate a positive outcome. I
> would consider that wholesale deletion to be vandalism.
I strongly agree. Manually edited data should never be removed and
replaced automatically with a data impo
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:19 PM, john whelan wrote:
> My objective at the moment is to get something sane that can be used
> by various groups in the city with GPS devices to tag trees, heritage
> buildings etc.
Super. You have groups of interested people, motivated and equipped?
Then your mappi
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:36 PM, John Whelan wrote:
> Basically the map in Ottawa is unreliable but we don't know where. There
> seems to be no way of knowing whether a road has been mapped by GPS trace or
> sketched in by hand.
>
Any map can be unreliable, and often providers of such maps don
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:36 AM, John Whelan wrote:
> Let's recap, I've seen no substantiation for the statement that thousands of
> hours of work will be lost.
We've seen no substantiation that all of Ottawa is a bunch of garbage.
I'm not sure how you can believe that all of the work done so f
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:53:45PM -0400, Adam Glauser wrote:
> John Whelan wrote:
> > Basically the map in Ottawa is unreliable but we don't know where.
> > There seems to be no way of knowing whether a road has been mapped by
> > GPS trace or sketched in by hand.
>
> If I understand the proce
John Whelan wrote:
> Basically the map in Ottawa is unreliable but we don't know where.
> There seems to be no way of knowing whether a road has been mapped by
> GPS trace or sketched in by hand.
If I understand the process correctly, to do an import from Geobase you
would need to use a script
Let's recap, I've seen no substantiation for the
statement that thousands of hours of work will be lost. I've seen
nothing from any one else who has done any GPS traces in Ottawa. I've
seen two different places where the existing OSM map is 100 meters out
from a GPS measurement.
Basically th
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Gerald A wrote:
> I think Sam was hinting at "wholesale deletion and replacement", rather then
> "editing permission".
That's the problem, hinting at an idea is not an accurate statement.
Sam (and others) have made a number of generic statements, when they
are ta
Hi John,
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:19 PM, john whelan wrote:
> My objective at the moment is to get something sane that can be used
> by various groups in the city with GPS devices to tag trees, heritage
> buildings etc.
So, if I'm understanding what you say above and in previous e-mails, you
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:19 PM, john whelan wrote:
> My objective at the moment is to get something sane that can be used
> by various groups in the city with GPS devices to tag trees, heritage
> buildings etc. If you are saying that provided I can do a couple of
> GPS traces down some of the c
Hi,
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:45 PM, James Ewen wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Sam Vekemans
> wrote:
>
> > Provided that you have direct permission from the person who origionally
> > traced those roads to change them over. Then it's fine to swap those OSM
> > roads, to add in geob
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:19 PM, john whelan wrote:
> My objective at the moment is to get something sane that can be used
> by various groups in the city with GPS devices to tag trees, heritage
> buildings etc.
Leverage those people with geographic interests... If they go out to
tag a tree, and
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Sam Vekemans
wrote:
> Provided that you have direct permission from the person who origionally
> traced those roads to change them over. Then it's fine to swap those OSM
> roads, to add in geobase roads. (But the whole point of our discussions is
> that we need
My objective at the moment is to get something sane that can be used
by various groups in the city with GPS devices to tag trees, heritage
buildings etc. If you are saying that provided I can do a couple of
GPS traces down some of the city center roads then based on that we
can adjust the road sys
Hi James,
i know you sent it to Richard, but i'll chime in :-)
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM, James A. Treacy wrote:
> Richard,
> A mapper notices a subdivision in openstreetmap does not jibe with
> his experience so he goes and traces it using his gps. He loads it
> into JOSM along with the
Richard,
A mapper notices a subdivision in openstreetmap does not jibe with
his experience so he goes and traces it using his gps. He loads it
into JOSM along with the current openstreetmap data and the geobase
streets. He then notices that the existing data is worse than he
thought: streets aren't
Ladies and Gentlemen,
James Treacy mentioned
On the other hand, there are many areas that have had the occasional,
inexperienced mapper enter a few roads. These are generally of low
quality and make a mess of the geobase import. These people are not
on talk-ca so never had a chance to say, 'repla
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:47 PM, James A. Treacy wrote:
> In spite of the second case, anyone asking about poor quality roads is
> given the party line that the existing work should stay.
>
> This is ridiculous.
I think you're misinterpreting the statements being made... this is
kind of like th
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:22:00PM -0400, john whelan wrote:
> Is there any way to get some consensus amongst OSM mappers in Ottawa
> to start clean again with just Geobase data? How does one locate them
> or make a reasonable effort to locate them? Or to reassure me that
> most of Ottawa is base
As far as I can see there are three of us in Ottawa. One hasn't done
anything for a couple of years, one started in July 2009, I've started
very recently.
I don't think there is a mass of GPS tracks on which the maps are
built. In two sample areas I've seen major discrepancies between my
Garmin
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