Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[David Nelson via Talk-ca]

That is precisely how I would prefer these spreadsheets to be used, to guide 
ground surveys.  There is in fact nothing stopping us from using any data 
source we wish to guide ground surveys, because we would be gathering data only 
from those surveys.

- David E. Nelson
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DENelson83>

From: john whelan
Sent: June 16, 2020 07:16
To: Justin Tracey
Cc: David Nelson; Pierre Béland via Talk-ca
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

I think you can use it to see where to look.

If there is only one building and you can see a Canada Post logo floating 
around I think it is fair game.

Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of commitment 
to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's open data 
initiative.

Cheerio John

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 09:10 Justin Tracey  wrote:
Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?

 - Justin

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca 
 wrote:
I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those we have 
not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise outlets' 
parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such locations are now 
marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The node for each such post 
office location just has to be positioned right next to its respective parent 
business.  You can determine what each parent business is by looking on Canada 
Post’s own website, or by doing a simple web search for the postal code of each 
such outlet.  With this, we are in a position to immediately add nearly 700 
more Canada Post outlets across the country to OSM.  This would bring the 
progress of this project to a completion measure of just under 48 percent.
 
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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[James]

if the addresses are not geolocated via say the website/google maps, it
just becomes public domain as it's the address of the business on the
website but IANAL. If not you would never be able to scrape/collect phone
numbers or addresses for any business via their official website.

On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 10:18 a.m. john whelan, 
wrote:

> I think you can use it to see where to look.
>
> If there is only one building and you can see a Canada Post logo
> floating around I think it is fair game.
>
> Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of
> commitment to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's open
> data initiative.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 09:10 Justin Tracey  wrote:
>
>> Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?
>>
>>  - Justin
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca <
>> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those
>>> we have not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise
>>> outlets' parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such
>>> locations are now marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The
>>> node for each such post office location just has to be positioned right
>>> next to its respective parent business.  You can determine what each parent
>>> business is by looking on Canada Post’s own website, or by doing a simple
>>> web search for the postal code of each such outlet.  With this, we are in a
>>> position to immediately add nearly 700 more Canada Post outlets across the
>>> country to OSM.  This would bring the progress of this project to a
>>> completion measure of just under 48 percent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - David E. Nelson
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[Justin Tracey]

On 2020-06-16 10:16 a.m., john whelan wrote:
>
> Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of
> commitment to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's
> open data initiative.
>
>
As referenced in another emails on this thread, Canada Post is operated
as a company, not a government agency, and has been... less enthused
with the open data initiative than the federal government itself. ;)

 - Justin



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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[Kevin Farrugia]

Canada Post is a Crown Corporation so it kind of operates in its own world
even though it's subsidised and owned by the government. I don't think the
open government directive applied across all Crown ABCs but to the civil
service portion.

We're not doing an import of post offices in the actual sense so it may be
okay.

I think this is also a little different since Canada Post doesn't make
money selling the location of their offices like they do postal codes so
chances are they wouldn't target this as an issue.

---
Kevin

On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 10:18 a.m. john whelan, 
wrote:

> I think you can use it to see where to look.
>
> If there is only one building and you can see a Canada Post logo
> floating around I think it is fair game.
>
> Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of
> commitment to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's open
> data initiative.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 09:10 Justin Tracey  wrote:
>
>> Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?
>>
>>  - Justin
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca <
>> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those
>>> we have not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise
>>> outlets' parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such
>>> locations are now marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The
>>> node for each such post office location just has to be positioned right
>>> next to its respective parent business.  You can determine what each parent
>>> business is by looking on Canada Post’s own website, or by doing a simple
>>> web search for the postal code of each such outlet.  With this, we are in a
>>> position to immediately add nearly 700 more Canada Post outlets across the
>>> country to OSM.  This would bring the progress of this project to a
>>> completion measure of just under 48 percent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - David E. Nelson
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[Amos Hayes]

Using the term "import" suggests some sort of copy of a database rather
than an independant researching of facts.

Facts are not protected IP. Databases are in Canada. So making your own
database of facts is fine. The issue will be if all or a significant
portion were copied from someone else's database and whether a court of law
finds that it constitutes a copy. An automated tool that scraped the Canada
Post website for this info would probably be seen differently than a
spreadsheet built through individual research using a variety of sources.

All that said, Canada Post tried to sue when a group crowd-sourced the
locations of postal codes. So even if you are in the right, there might
still be a mess to deal with.

--
Amos Hayes
Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre
Carleton University, Canada
https://gcrc.carleton.ca
aha...@gcrc.carleton.ca


On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 09:09, Justin Tracey  wrote:

> Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?
>
>  - Justin
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca <
> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those
>> we have not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise
>> outlets' parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such
>> locations are now marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The
>> node for each such post office location just has to be positioned right
>> next to its respective parent business.  You can determine what each parent
>> business is by looking on Canada Post’s own website, or by doing a simple
>> web search for the postal code of each such outlet.  With this, we are in a
>> position to immediately add nearly 700 more Canada Post outlets across the
>> country to OSM.  This would bring the progress of this project to a
>> completion measure of just under 48 percent.
>>
>>
>>
>> - David E. Nelson
>>
>> 
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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[Eric Geiler]

Doubt it… but it still neverless a nice addition to OSM…

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Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?

 - Justin

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca 
mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those we have 
not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise outlets' 
parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such locations are now 
marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The node for each such post 
office location just has to be positioned right next to its respective parent 
business.  You can determine what each parent business is by looking on Canada 
Post’s own website, or by doing a simple web search for the postal code of each 
such outlet.  With this, we are in a position to immediately add nearly 700 
more Canada Post outlets across the country to OSM.  This would bring the 
progress of this project to a completion measure of just under 48 percent.

- David E. Nelson
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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[john whelan]

I think you can use it to see where to look.

If there is only one building and you can see a Canada Post logo
floating around I think it is fair game.

Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of
commitment to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's open
data initiative.

Cheerio John

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 09:10 Justin Tracey  wrote:

> Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?
>
>  - Justin
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca <
> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those
>> we have not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise
>> outlets' parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such
>> locations are now marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The
>> node for each such post office location just has to be positioned right
>> next to its respective parent business.  You can determine what each parent
>> business is by looking on Canada Post’s own website, or by doing a simple
>> web search for the postal code of each such outlet.  With this, we are in a
>> position to immediately add nearly 700 more Canada Post outlets across the
>> country to OSM.  This would bring the progress of this project to a
>> completion measure of just under 48 percent.
>>
>>
>>
>> - David E. Nelson
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[Justin Tracey]

Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?

 - Justin

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca <
talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those we
> have not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise
> outlets' parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such
> locations are now marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The
> node for each such post office location just has to be positioned right
> next to its respective parent business.  You can determine what each parent
> business is by looking on Canada Post’s own website, or by doing a simple
> web search for the postal code of each such outlet.  With this, we are in a
> position to immediately add nearly 700 more Canada Post outlets across the
> country to OSM.  This would bring the progress of this project to a
> completion measure of just under 48 percent.
>
>
>
> - David E. Nelson
>
> 
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[Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[David Nelson via Talk-ca]

I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those we have 
not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise outlets' 
parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such locations are now 
marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The node for each such post 
office location just has to be positioned right next to its respective parent 
business.  You can determine what each parent business is by looking on Canada 
Post’s own website, or by doing a simple web search for the postal code of each 
such outlet.  With this, we are in a position to immediately add nearly 700 
more Canada Post outlets across the country to OSM.  This would bring the 
progress of this project to a completion measure of just under 48 percent.

- David E. Nelson

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