Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread John Aldridge
On 31/12/2012 21:59, Graham Jones wrote: I would like to see field boundaries and land uses in OSM, for the same reason as you. I think the main reason that there are not many in there, is that they are very difficult to survey. I second that! See my diary entry

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Dudley Ibbett
My main motivation for getting involved with OSM was to get a better walking map on my garmin. To this extent I have been adding lots of barriers in the southern part of the Peak District. So it is being done. Whilst it is time consuming I wouldn't say it is difficult. I do survey with a

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Graham Jones
I guess it depends on what you think is 'difficult' - to actually survey them means a lot of walking, so I tend to only add the ones that I can remember when I get home, and get the routes from Bing. I have just had another look and for dry stone walls, it is quite easy to distinguish some in

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Steven Horner
Good job there Graham. I know most of the area around there quite well. The Bing imagery is old, it still shows the cement works which was demolished in 2005 I think. Compare it to Google and you can see it is there no more. Although you can't use Google Satellite view to trace there is surely no

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Graham Jones
Thanks Steven, I am pretty sure that any reference to Google maps/imagery is not allowed (it would be worth searching through the mail archives for last time it was discussed). You are right though about the age of the Bing imagery - I noticed that the cement works is still there in the photos. I

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Tom Chance
I have been adding lots of landuse data in south east London as part of a few projects (see recent posts tagged http://tom.acrewoods.net/tag/openstreetmap/). Adding farmland fields, hedges, fences and footpaths is really valuable. The same goes for accurate landuse mapping in cities. I would

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Chris Hill
On 01/01/13 11:15, Dudley Ibbett wrote: I must admit I don't map land use if it is farmland. To me if it isn't mapped it is farmland. It would seem a reasonable default. +1 Smothering the countryside with landuse when it's farmland seems well over the top to me. Marking a single field

[Talk-GB] Fwd: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=

2013-01-01 Thread Craig Loftus
I have been using prow:ref, just because I came across it in the mailing lists. I have not added many (~60 prows) and I don't mind converting those over to prow_ref if that is the consensus. My preference would be for prow:ref, as the colon is the 'standard' way to define namespaces, and I am not

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Tom Chance
On 1 January 2013 16:10, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: On 01/01/13 11:15, Dudley Ibbett wrote: I must admit I don't map land use if it is farmland. To me if it isn't mapped it is farmland. It would seem a reasonable default. +1 Smothering the countryside with landuse when it's

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Jason Cunningham
Find myself more or less agreeing with the points Chris and Dudley made. I see see farmland as a default, and haven't put any effort into mapping farmland or fields. But I also agree with Tom's point, it is information that has a place in the database, and you dont need to render it if you dont

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tom Chance wrote: Mapping it as farmland needn't distract anybody apart from the poor sod editing the data, that is. yours from the sticks Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Marking-landuse-and-field-boundaries-tp5742119p5742180.html Sent from the

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Tom Chance
On 1 January 2013 18:39, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: As I said above (you must have missed it) marking fields within urban areas is a good idea as you been doing. The contrast with the surroundings is valuable and is not smothering thousands of square kilometres with pointless

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tom Chance wrote: I also cannot understand comments such as Richard's, which arise every time somebody wants to add additional data that they consider valuable. Compared to the days of just mapping roads, many cities today are a dense mass of addressed buildings, metadata-to-the- eyeballs

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Graham Jones
While I agree that high data density is an issue, I can't see why this is a strong argument for not tagging land use in rural areas, as even if we do draw big polygons to distinguish farmed land from woodland from moors from scree slopes etc, these areas are so big that it doesn't make rural data

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking landuse and field boundaries

2013-01-01 Thread Kevin Peat
On 1 Jan 2013 20:34, Richard Fairhurst richard@systeme... Until then, the advanced mappers must share in OSM's collective responsibility to keep the project editable by newbies. That's why I believe widespread farm landuse mapping in the countryside is an actively harmful indulgence.

Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=

2013-01-01 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 1 January 2013 16:30, Craig Loftus craiglof...@gmail.com wrote: 1/ prow:ref suggests some sort of name-spacing, but we haven't actually developed any tagging scheme that makes use of a prow:* name-space. So currently prow:ref would be the only tag used. Is it wise to preclude adding more