Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

On 22/05/15 15:00, Dan S wrote: >>> Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. >> > >> > No, they really aren't. >> > >> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - "Churchill College >> > (University of Cambridge)" >> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12861651 - "Univers

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 14:49 GMT+01:00 Andy Allan : > On 22 May 2015 at 14:27, David Earl wrote: >> Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. > > No, they really aren't. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - "Churchill College > (University of Cambridge)" > http://www.openst

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

Yes, the operator tags are the same when it is the same institution - the colleges are independent institutions, part of the larger federation. This is part of the complexity of this. I'm not arguing I don't want to change anything, just that there's too much gratuitous change which breaks real, e

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

Without wanting to get into specific tags, or indeed into specific renderers, let’s step back and see if what we have got is what we want? The answer is probably no, IMHO. Take Newnham College (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.19959/0.10973&layers=H) which I know fairly well. It is one s

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

On 22 May 2015 at 14:27, David Earl wrote: > Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. No, they really aren't. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - "Churchill College (University of Cambridge)" http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12861651 - "University of Cambridge"

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

On 22 May 2015 at 11:54, David Earl wrote: > 2. What is a University anyway? I'll not explore the concept of a university too far, since very little about groups of people is relevant to OSM! However, if you were to say "What is the physical aspect of a university" then I would say it's a colle

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

> On 22 May 2015, at 12:30, David Earl wrote: > > Does the main OSM rendering understand building=university? > Yes, for example this building at Heriot-Watt University: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22881764 where I used the university=buildin

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 14:03 GMT+01:00 SK53 : > For what it is worth, the universities in Nottingham are mapped exactly the > same way as Cambridge It doesn't look like that to me. A query on Nottingham finds 16 objects tagged amenity=university, of which 4 are buildings. It looks to me like Nottingham broadl

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. But also the assertion "within a few dozen miles" is wrong, as for Nottingham in China. On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 14:23 Andy Allan wrote: > On 22 May 2015 at 14:03, Christopher Baines wrote: > > On 21/05/15 22:39, Dan S wrote: > >>

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

On 22 May 2015 at 14:03, Christopher Baines wrote: > On 21/05/15 22:39, Dan S wrote: >> I don't relish bringing this up since it's a bit of a tangle, but I >> noticed Cambridge has a lot more universities than I thought! >> Apparently 1219, judging from the number of amenity=university tagged >> o

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

On 21/05/15 22:39, Dan S wrote: > I don't relish bringing this up since it's a bit of a tangle, but I > noticed Cambridge has a lot more universities than I thought! > Apparently 1219, judging from the number of amenity=university tagged > objects. In real life I'm aware of two: Cambridge Uni, Angl

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

Right, OK thanks. So let me try and answer without raising any sub-controversies - that's why I was reluctant to answer "what would you show for cambridge"! If there was a single mortar-board for every geographically self-contained UoC "site" on the map - that seems rather reasonable. The minimali

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

Sorry, that wasn't intended to be provocative, it was a serious question. Irrespective of how it is tagged, how should one show a spread out institution on a map? If you do ARU with two mortar boards or some such should Cambridge be 10, one for each site, 41 including the colleges, or what? One cou

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

On 22/05/15 12:40, Dan S wrote: > I'd be really grateful if you could comment on my suggestion about > modifying the building tags. Dan S ... The question still remains ... what are you trying to achieve? Count the number of buildings making up a university, or something else? In the distant past

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

On Fri, 22 May 2015, Dan S wrote: > I'd be really grateful if you could comment on my suggestion about > modifying the building tags. David has commented (twice), both with follow-up questions. -Paul ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstree

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

On 22/05/15 12:26, David Earl wrote: > If this discussion were happening at the start of the project four years > ago. It wasn't as if the scheme wasn't public then. But it's been > implemented now for several years, and to reorganise it is unhelpful and > costly, with little benefit other than a s

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 12:33 GMT+01:00 David Earl : >> to render a map using a UK-wide rendering scheme that indicates >> each university prominently > > What *would* you show for Cambridge (or other spread out ones) for this? > Where actually *is* the University of Cambridge? What would you show that > the cu

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

I don't think it renders it (though I thought it used to). The humanitarian style renders the tag, and Cambridge looks mortar-board crazy: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.2039/0.1182&layers=H Dan 2015-05-22 12:30 GMT+01:00 David Earl : > Does the main OSM rendering understand building=u

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

> to render a map using a UK-wide rendering scheme that indicates > each university prominently What *would* you show for Cambridge (or other spread out ones) for this? Where actually *is* the University of Cambridge? What would you show that the current tagging doesn't already achieve? On Fri, 2

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

Does the main OSM rendering understand building=university? On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 12:27 Dan S wrote: > Hi David, > > Thanks for the detailed info. My main concern is in terms of the > consequences for other data consumers. If someone tries to use OSM > data for anything - such as: > (a) to pl

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

Hi David, Thanks for the detailed info. My main concern is in terms of the consequences for other data consumers. If someone tries to use OSM data for anything - such as: (a) to plot the density of universities per county (b) to render a map using a UK-wide rendering scheme that indicates each u

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

If this discussion were happening at the start of the project four years ago. It wasn't as if the scheme wasn't public then. But it's been implemented now for several years, and to reorganise it is unhelpful and costly, with little benefit other than a sense of it "being right". (And in any group o

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

A quick scan of Oxford shows the colleges (and a few multi-building areas such as the Science Area) as amenity=university, with buildings within colleges and odd departments as building=university. So we have a lot of universities too. Other big difference is that we haven't generally added "(Univ

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

On 22/05/15 12:00, David Earl wrote: > The "schema" for tags that make the University map work is at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridge/University_of_Cambridge > (I've just realised I haven't updated that page with a recent, > unrelated new bit, I must do so). > > Oh, I

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 11:54 David Earl wrote: > The "schema" for tags that make the University map work is at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridge/University_of_Cambridge > (I've just realised I haven't updated that page with a recent, unrelated > new bit, I must do so). > Oh, I did,

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

Hi Dan, Yes, Philip's right - I developed and continue to maintain the University map at http://map.cam.ac.uk (as well as doing all of the original street pattern mapping for Cambridge back in 2006). The University has put a considerable investment and negotiated permission for college access into