Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

2015-07-13 Thread Dave F.
You say there's no neutrality, but there's no option to disagree with the whole proposal. On 11/07/2015 21:19, Rob Nickerson wrote: Dear UK/GB OpenStreetMappers, From time to time we talk about the potential of setting up a UK/GB OpenStreetMap group (name yet to be decided) but we never

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread SK53
Bridges and other significant remaining infrastructure of railways tagged as railway=abandoned ceased to be rendered on the Standard rendering some time ago. There was a degree of dissension with this decision: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/542. Certainly I recall a few

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2015-07-13 at 10:25 +0100, SK53 wrote: Bridges and other significant remaining infrastructure of railways tagged as railway=abandoned ceased to be rendered on the Standard rendering some time ago. There was a degree of dissension with this decision:

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

2015-07-13 Thread Stuart Reynolds
…and what does “support the development of OSM tools and apps” mean in this context? Support in the sense that we think its great and will promote / aid / assist, or support in the sense that we hand over a sum of money towards development? And in that case, where does it come from? The

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread ael
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 08:53:57AM +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: The significant (and massive) disused railway viaduct near Thrapston: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264894970 does not render on our default map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3914/-0.5433 despite being

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Dave F.
Ah, that's a bit annoying. This is also a significant structure: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/38331305 Not least as a tourist attraction for fans of the film 'The Titfield Thunderbolt' which was made along this stretch of line. It can't be too hard to the carto scheme to check

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 July 2015 at 10:37, thomas van der veen th.vanderv...@gmail.com wrote: Hockley Viaduct near Winchester does get rendered: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/108241777#map=18/51.03628/-1.32230 but probably because there is a path on it. Would that be a workaround for you Andy? Thank

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread thomas van der veen
Hockley Viaduct near Winchester does get rendered: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/108241777#map=18/51.03628/-1.32230 but probably because there is a path on it. Would that be a workaround for you Andy? Thomas On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:25 AM, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: Bridges and

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 13/07/2015 17:46, Paul Sladen wrote: Any UK-specific rendering is not going to solve the core issue: that large numbers of perfectly extent bridges and tunnels are not rendered; Most of these old tunnels in Nottingham are not rendered: Relation: Tunnels of Nottingham

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Townsend wrote: OSM's standard map is currently trying to be the primary feedback mechanism to mappers but also have clear design (1). I genuinely don't believe that you can do both well in one map style. I think you can, but it requires serious cartographical chops, and - ideally -

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Mike Evans
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:40:26 +0100 ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 08:53:57AM +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: The significant (and massive) disused railway viaduct near Thrapston: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264894970 does not render on our default

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Andy Allan
On 13 July 2015 at 14:34, Mike Evans mi...@saxicola.co.uk wrote: It seems to me that the viaduct and the railway are two separate entities and should mapped as such. Just because an abandoned railway happens to run on the top of the viaduct is irrelevant in my opinion. Exactly. If there was

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

2015-07-13 Thread Dave F.
Find out first if people want it, rather than ask how they think it should be implemented. On 13/07/2015 14:03, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 13 July 2015 at 12:39, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: there's no option to disagree with the whole proposal What

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

2015-07-13 Thread Chris Hill
Dave, I don't think anyone has a veto. Why would it harm you if this went ahead? On 13 July 2015 19:00:56 GMT+01:00, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Find out first if people want it, rather than ask how they think it should be implemented. On 13/07/2015 14:03, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 13

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

2015-07-13 Thread Dave F.
That doesn't get recorded. On 13/07/2015 17:18, Andy Robinson wrote: It’s easy to disagree with a proposal. You simply ignore it. J *From:*Dave F. [mailto:dave...@madasafish.com] *Sent:* 13 July 2015 12:40 *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/07/15 16:09, Matthijs Melissen wrote: I think this, and blue motorways, is a good argument for why we need a UK render of the map. I agree a UK-specific rendering would be very useful, especially now the Default style is getting less and less UK-centric. Seconded ... While the main

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 13 July 2015 at 14:13, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I think this, and blue motorways, is a good argument for why we need a UK render of the map. I agree a UK-specific rendering would be very useful, especially now the Default style is getting less and less UK-centric. --

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

2015-07-13 Thread Andy Robinson
It’s easy to disagree with a proposal. You simply ignore it. J From: Dave F. [mailto:dave...@madasafish.com] Sent: 13 July 2015 12:40 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group? You say there's no neutrality, but there's no option to disagree

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Paul Sladen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 13 July 2015 at 14:13, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I think this, and blue motorways, I agree a UK-specific rendering would be very useful, I fear that there is a risk the original

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

2015-07-13 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi all, As I'm not signed up to all mailing lists, can I please have volunteers to forward this to talk-gb-london, talk-gb-midanglia, talk-gb-thenorth and talk-scotland? Thanks, Rob On 11 July 2015 at 21:19, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Dear UK/GB OpenStreetMappers, From

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

2015-07-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 July 2015 at 19:00, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Find out first if people want it That they do is already evident. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

2015-07-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/13/2015 08:08 PM, Chris Hill wrote: I don't think anyone has a veto. Why would it harm you if this went ahead? I think I can see why Dave F might have an issue with the whole thing. Rob has phrased it as a question: A UK/GB group? and also in his message he says ... should a group be

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread phil
On Mon Jul 13 19:07:35 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote: Curious: Why don't you think blue for motorways is acceptable? Blue is the correct colour for motorways, I was referring to the coming carto change where they will become orange. Phil (trigpoint ) On 13/07/2015 13:13, Philip Barnes

[Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
The significant (and massive) disused railway viaduct near Thrapston: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264894970 does not render on our default map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3914/-0.5433 despite being a significant and very visible landmark:

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 13 July 2015 at 09:53, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I don't want fudge things to just tag for the renderer, but is there a relevant tag missing, or should we change the rendering styles to show such objects? You might be interested in this PR which is currently under