Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread Colin Smale
And here's a road that wants to be a shared space but isn't there yet... https://www.facebook.com/NHnieuws/videos/1627424217288914/ The goal of reducing the traffic speed has been achieved, apparently. On 2017-10-01 20:16, Richard Mann wrote: > The classic shared space scheme in Haren: > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread Richard Mann
The classic shared space scheme in Haren: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/53.17312/6.60310 has no tags that I can see. I'd go for something like shared_space=yes for the moment. It's a "special" type of traffic calming. On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Colin Smale

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread Colin Smale
Just like in the UK, the councils here make it up as they go along; a "shared space" has no special legal status, unlike a "woonerf". A general principle which has proved its worth is that to make things safer, you remove the safety features. Like white lines and kerbs. Everyone moans a bit, but

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread Andy Townsend
Not an answer, but a suggestion where there might be a bit more info... The Netherlands forum https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=12 might be worth a read, since the shared space concept was pioneered there; https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=54843 is directly about

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread Adam Snape
My original solution when I changed the living streets back to normal roads a few months back was to just add extra tags to highlight the features of the scheme: access, traffic calming, surface, maxspeed:practical etc. I have just received a message from contributor 'lakedistrict' who raised the

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread Michael Booth
One of the first edits I did in OSM was to change my local high street to a tertiary road from a living_street. I think I noticed it because it's rendered different by osm-carto and some routers wouldn't use the road for directions. It's a 20mph two lane road, except with three traffic

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread Andy Townsend
On 01/10/2017 14:47, Adam Snape wrote: If a shared space is not a living street how should it be tagged? For "quiet lanes" (which are sort-of a rural analogue to urban "home zones") I went with "designation", and it looks like I'm not the only one:

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread Adam Snape
Hi Colin, I agree entirely (though note that the two share many of those features so I can see where the argument comes from). If a shared space is not a living street how should it be tagged? Adam On 1 October 2017 at 14:29, Colin Smale wrote: > It depends if you

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread Colin Smale
It depends if you want to have a uniform basis for "living_street" across the world (well, Europe at least). The concept is well known and understood in continental Europe, and basically implies driving at walking pace, no separate pavements, no parking except in marked spaces, and all road users

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread David Woolley
On 01/10/17 14:12, Adam Snape wrote: To move things forward I would like others' opinions about how we should map such shared space schemes Are we happy to broaden the definition of living_street to include them or are they better mapped as ordinary streets with additional tags? Another

[Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

2017-10-01 Thread Adam Snape
Hi, Over the past couple of years Fishergate, the high street in Preston, and some surrounding streets have been redeveloped and these highways are now designated as 'shared space' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space Following redeveleopment these were mapped as "highway=living_street".