Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Martin Wynne
Some people take the position that you cannot add a name ... unless you can actually see that name clearly being used as the name of the object if you actually visit the place. You can of course take matters into your own hands with a felt-tip pen. A C-number, once marked in very small text

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread David Woolley
On 04/08/18 17:58, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote: What do you define as on the ground? The road is there, it has a classification and name set by the local authority. Hence setting the ref= and name= tags. Some people take the position that you cannot add a name, foreign language name, or

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread webmas...@killyfole.org.uk
On Saturday, 4 August 2018 10:56:19 IST Dave F wrote: > > In my particular area I have people "helicopting in" to remove the C and U > > numbers off the roads, just because they don't like the way it renders! > > But the fact is that none of the rural roads have signs giving the name, > > so just

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread webmas...@killyfole.org.uk
On Saturday, 4 August 2018 14:48:56 IST Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Killyfole and District Development Association wrote: > > Surely we map for what is there on the ground, not how it renders? > > Right. C road numbers are not on the ground. (With the exception of the 20 > or so listed here:

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave F wrote: > However this task was never undertaken. I decided to grab the bull by the > horns. Bravo! Killyfole and District Development Association wrote: > Surely we map for what is there on the ground, not how it renders? Right. C road numbers are not on the ground. (With the

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Warin
On 04/08/18 20:06, Andy Townsend wrote: "Public right of way references, along with stiles and kissing gates, are for example rendered on Andy Townsend's specialist walking map." That already has an idea about "unsigned names and refs" and at some point I'll add various unsigned road refs in

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Andy Townsend
"Public right of way references, along with stiles and kissing gates, are for example rendered on Andy Townsend's specialist walking map." That already has an idea about "unsigned names and refs" and at some point I'll add various unsigned road refs in brackets like PROW refs and other

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Dave F
Hi On 04/08/2018 03:03, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote: I don't understand the logic of doing this? Surely we map for what is there on the ground, not how it renders? The vast majority of 'C roads aren't signed on the ground. There's a feeling that those that are maybe old signs & when

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Dave F
On 04/08/2018 09:55, David Woolley wrote: On 04/08/18 00:47, Dave F wrote: After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C' class roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in the database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered. I

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread David Woolley
On 04/08/18 10:31, Lester Caine wrote: 'display_ref=no' would be appropriate in some areas of the world As I hinted in a previous response, this is an attribute of the junction, not the road. Moreover, it is probably a directed attribute, so actually relates to a turn relation. Also,

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Lester Caine
On 04/08/18 10:07, Philip Barnes wrote: It seems to me that, in the UK, class C roads should be exactly the set of roads with highway=tertiary, so there is no need for a new tag.  Even if that is not true, the correct solution would be to test the reference in the renderer and suppress it if

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread David Woolley
On 04/08/18 10:07, Philip Barnes wrote: the standatrd renderer is International There should not be a standard renderer. That would definitely encourage tagging for the (that) renderer. The map needs to describe what is actually there. It has always been up to individual renderers to

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Lester Caine
On 04/08/18 10:02, David Woolley wrote: On 04/08/18 07:01, Philip Barnes wrote: The renderer cannot know not to render refs on C roads in the UK, remember osm is an international database. Telling a driver to turn left onto the C666 is confusing if there is no sign to back up that

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Andrew Hain
Are you offering to create a map with this level of special cases for every country in the world? I’d love to see the result. -- Andrew From: David Woolley Sent: 04 August 2018 09:55 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On 04/08/2018 09:55, David Woolley wrote: On 04/08/18 00:47, Dave F wrote: After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C' class roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in the database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered. I

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Lester Caine
On 04/08/18 07:01, Philip Barnes wrote: If you want to produce a render to display these admin references then you are welcome to do so. We ideally need a proper UK rendering of data and this is another area where information IDEALLY needs to be selectable. Trying to make a single world

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread David Woolley
On 04/08/18 07:01, Philip Barnes wrote: The renderer cannot know not to render refs on C roads in the UK, remember osm is an international database. Telling a driver to turn left onto the C666 is confusing if there is no sign to back up that instruction. Routing type renderers need to know

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread David Woolley
On 04/08/18 00:47, Dave F wrote: After many discussions over the years about the referencing of 'C' class roads there appeared to be a general consensus to keep them in the database but provide a unique tag to allow them not to be rendered. I assume you mean the reference is not rendered

Re: [Talk-GB] 'C' class roads references.

2018-08-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On 4 August 2018 04:03:13 CEST, "webmas...@killyfole.org.uk" wrote: >I don't understand the logic of doing this? > >Surely we map for what is there on the ground, not how it renders? If >a road >has a reference number or a name, surely it is up to the render if it >should >show that