Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland

On 28/08/2018 20:24, Brian Prangle wrote:  I suggest at the very least that the change is reverted for NI. I wish people would read before putting their hands anywhere near a keyboard. DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland

Brian Prangle wrote: > I suggest at the very least that the change is reverted for NI. The edit did not take place in Northern Ireland, as Dave stated unequivocally in his original mail: "Note I didn't include Northern Ireland"

Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland

For reference, here's DaveF's email where he documents his mechanical edit: . (Note also that it includes a note about Northern Ireland.) Comparing that email against the OSM policy which Brian links to (the Automated

Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland

The last time I checked NI was still in a union with the UK and therefore suggesting that NI OSMers form a separate discussion is very insensitive. As the community there is very upset and has not agreed to this change, having demonstrated very specific needs and separate treatment of these roads

Re: [Talk-GB] Coastline and tidal rivers

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 11:09:47 + "David Groom" wrote: > There is no consensus. > > Personally I'm not in favour of the view that any body of water which is > tidal should be bounded by a way tagged as coastline. > > Reasons for this > > 1) Ask any one who lives in say central London "do

[Talk-GB] Some leisure=track not rendering

Has there been a recent change to the standard rendering for leisure=track? A racecourse and a cycle track near me mapped as closed ways are no longer showing. However another nearby track mapped as a multipolygon is unaffected. Jez C ___ Talk-GB

[Talk-GB] MapThePaths app

Hi, A couple of updates on MapThePaths (www.mapthepaths.org.uk). First of all, there will be no further updates of the data until the 2nd week in September. (Normally I update the data once a week, it was last done yesterday) Secondly, there is now an

Re: [Talk-GB] Coastline and tidal rivers

On 2018-08-28 16:43, David Groom wrote: > whilst in theory I'd say yes, in practice I'd say consensus is hard to > achieve. OK, I might as well give up now then. If everybody started thinking "I don't know why I bother," like I am now, where would we

Re: [Talk-GB] Coastline and tidal rivers

Colin whilst in theory I'd say yes, in practice I'd say consensus is hard to achieve. David -- Original Message -- From: "Colin Smale" To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: 28/08/2018 12:23:33 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Coastline and tidal rivers David, do you consider that it would

Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland

As an aside - if ISO3166 meaning of "GB" is indeed intended (i.e. UKoGBaNI), I wonder if someone could update the info on to clarify that? Currently says "General discussion for users in Great Britain" Best Dan Op di 28 aug. 2018 om 13:15 schreef

Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland

Clive, On 28.08.2018 14:04, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote: > As it has been pointed out to me on IRC that GB doesn't include Northern > Ireland, and I should keep my opinions to myself. So having left the IRC > channel, I am now leaving this mailing list as well. If even Germans don't keep

Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland

webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote: > As it has been pointed out to me on IRC that GB doesn't include > Northern Ireland, and I should keep my opinions to myself. No-one told you to keep your opinions to yourself; I simply suggested you start a separate Northern Ireland-centric discussion

Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland

Imposing strict boundaries on OSM communication channels (in this case a non-ISO3166 meaning for a talk list) is out of order and is not a proper response to any disagreement anyone may have about tagging. -- Andrew From: webmas...@killyfole.org.uk Sent: 28

Re: [Talk-GB] GB does not include Northern Ireland

Hi folks, As it has been pointed out to me on IRC that GB doesn't include Northern Ireland, and I should keep my opinions to myself. So having left the IRC channel, I am now leaving this mailing list as well. I will also be canceling my OSMUK membership or failing that, not renewing in

Re: [Talk-GB] Road refs

On 28/08/18 12:54, webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote: The objection is that you are undoing the effort and time spent by mappers The data has not been destroyed, just more correctly tagged. In general most of this information can only be obtained from armchairs, so it is irrelevant as to

Re: [Talk-GB] Road refs

Toby Speight wrote: > Who is responsible for coordinating the related changes to software - > editors, renderers, converters and QA tools - that are required? I > see no sign of any of this having started. No changes are required to core OSM software, but if your own niche requires a map on

Re: [Talk-GB] Road refs

Hi Toby You've been given the link to the previous discussions, which explains the reasons. What is your objection to the reasons given for this amendment? The wiki is a guide, not the law. It hasn't been updated yet as you & others still wish to discuss the situation. If it had, I suspect

Re: [Talk-GB] Coastline and tidal rivers

David, do you consider that it would be advantageous to have consensus on this matter, and a consistent tagging paradigm in OSM? I am not prejudging what that consensus position might be, just sounding out if there is any point in having the discussion in the first place. On 2018-08-28 13:09,

Re: [Talk-GB] Coastline and tidal rivers

There is no consensus. Personally I'm not in favour of the view that any body of water which is tidal should be bounded by a way tagged as coastline. Reasons for this 1) Ask any one who lives in say central London "do you live on the coast" or do you live beside a river", most would I'm

Re: [Talk-GB] Road refs

Hi Adam On 28/08/2018 08:35, Adam Snape wrote: The UK tagging guidelines have always advised against using the ref tag: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines although you'll notice from that there's still no overall agreement on exactly which other tag to

Re: [Talk-GB] Coastline and tidal rivers

I'm with Colin on this. My experience of sailing and reading Admiralty charts is that the coastline is the High Water line.  Yes it looks inconvenient or unnatural - but tidal area as implied by coastline is so important to small boat users. The River Dart Way: 194211894 waterway=

[Talk-GB] Coastline and tidal rivers

That old chestnut again... There seems to be an open discussion about how far up a river the natural=coastline should go. The wiki suggests the coastline should be the high water line going up to the tidal limit (often a lock or a wier) but this can be a substantial distance inland. This is AIUI

Re: [Talk-GB] Road refs

Hi Tony, Please do read the conversation, but I think it's important to stress that no one is changing the standard tagging here. It has never been standard to map unsigned references for tertiary/unclassified roads under the ref tag; indeed there has long been a consensus against doing so. The