Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Tom Hughes
Companies House don't validate anything. That much is well known. What Richard was saying was that if you use their web form to submit then it autocompletes using PAF but most older entries will have been submitted on paper with no such normalisation. Tom On 29/01/2019 00:00, Will Phillips

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Will Phillips
Hi Paul, Once you get out into rural areas, it's sometimes the case that an entire hamlet is covered by a one or two postcodes. There may be named streets but according to RM/PAF these are ignored and such addresses take the form: building name/number, locality, post town, postcode. The more

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Colin Smale
Chris, what would you see as a good data model for a UK address in OSM? Just house number/name, street, postcode? It has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread that the "addr:" model was intended in the UK to contain postal addresses, not any other sort of address. Are you suggesting only

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Paul Berry
Sorry, I only have yet more questions. Once you get out into rural areas, it's sometimes the case that an entire hamlet is covered by a one or two postcodes. There may be named streets but according to RM/PAF these are ignored and such addresses take the form: building name/number, locality, post

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Chris Hill
On 28/01/2019 21:56, Colin Smale wrote: On 2019-01-28 22:22, Chris Hill wrote: Post town do not exist, and never have. They are a fiction invented by Royal Mail for their own internal use which they persuaded the public into using for the sole benefit of Royal Mail. ...and for the benefit

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I'm not quite sure what you've done with the quoting but you've attributed me as writing your reply, which evidently I didn't. :) Will Phillips wrote: > I really don't see what is outlandish about using post towns as a > guide for what goes in the addr:city tag. Royal Mail might be becoming >

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-01-28 22:22, Chris Hill wrote: > Post town do not exist, and never have. They are a fiction invented by Royal > Mail for their own internal use which they persuaded the public into using > for the sole benefit of Royal Mail. ...and for the benefit of anyone posting a letter and

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Mark Goodge
On 28/01/2019 18:50, Lester Caine wrote: On 28/01/2019 18:24, Will Phillips wrote: There are certainly occasions when the street name is needed. For example, I recently surveyed a single postcode (DE72 2HP) containing two houses with the same house name, but different street names.

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Will Phillips
On 28/01/2019 15:06, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I really don't see what is outlandish about using post towns as a guide for what goes in the addr:city tag. Royal Mail might be becoming less important, but when most people are asked for their address, they will give their address as defined by

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Lester Caine
On 28/01/2019 18:24, Will Phillips wrote: On 28/01/2019 17:28, Lester Caine wrote: The reality is that for the UK ALL we need is the Postcode to supply a reference to the Royal Mail 'postal address' as that is purely a Royal Mail invention anyway.  I personally don't see the need to add

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Will Phillips
On 28/01/2019 17:28, Lester Caine wrote: The reality is that for the UK ALL we need is the Postcode to supply a reference to the Royal Mail 'postal address' as that is purely a Royal Mail invention anyway.  I personally don't see the need to add 'addr:street' everywhere but that is what people

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-01-28 18:32, Andrzej wrote: > Hi Will, > > These are very good examples, I wasn't aware of such places. They would > indeed best fit addr:locality. How about using addr:locality together with > addr:town/suburb/village/hamlet then? Having multiple well defined tags is > good - they

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Andrzej
Hi Will, These are very good examples, I wasn't aware of such places. They would indeed best fit addr:locality. How about using addr:locality together with addr:town/suburb/village/hamlet then? Having multiple well defined tags is good - they add useful information. We are not designing an

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Lester Caine
On 28/01/2019 15:31, Tom Hughes wrote: The notion that I should tag addresses in Charlbury with "addr:city=Chipping Norton", a town 6 miles away, just because one private delivery operator[1] uses Chipping Norton as an optional part of their addressing is... one of the more outlandish ideas

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Will Phillips
Having said that, I still don't understand the objections to addr:town and addr:village. Can anyone come up with an example of an address where they wouldn't work? I normally don't care about names but locality sounds almost offensive. To me 'locality' just sounds neutral. I don't

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Tom Hughes
On 28/01/2019 15:06, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The notion that I should tag addresses in Charlbury with "addr:city=Chipping Norton", a town 6 miles away, just because one private delivery operator[1] uses Chipping Norton as an optional part of their addressing is... one of the more outlandish

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Andrzej
Is it possible to use addr:locality for both towns and villages? That could simplify things quite a bit and I have yet to see an address that needs a post town and two levels of localities below. Having said that, I still don't understand the objections to addr:town and addr:village. Can

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Colin Smale wrote: > As you will know RM have their own particular ideas of the > geography of the UK, all done for their own convenience. It > would certainly avoid some confusion if we used addr:posttown > instead of addr:city. Fully agree. The notion that I should tag addresses in

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Driving Test Centres

2019-01-28 Thread Paul Berry
(Moment of reflection.) Sorry, you're right, of course they're not. That'll teach me to attempt to multitask at work. As you were. Regards, *Paul* On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 12:52, David Woolley wrote: > On 28/01/2019 12:45, Paul Berry wrote: > > Does

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Driving Test Centres

2019-01-28 Thread Paul Berry
Does https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddriving_school not fit the bill? Tag usage here: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/tags/amenity=driving_school#map On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 12:08, Mike Baggaley wrote: > You could also add government=transportation to office=government > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Colin Smale
Hi Will, On 2019-01-28 13:19, Will Phillips wrote: > Hi, > > I agree we need another tag below addr:city for localities. For this I have > usually used addr:suburb when mapping in urban areas and addr:locality > elsewhere. Ideally I think it would be best to have just one recommended tag, >

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

2019-01-28 Thread Will Phillips
Hi, I agree we need another tag below addr:city for localities. For this I have usually used addr:suburb when mapping in urban areas and addr:locality elsewhere. Ideally I think it would be best to have just one recommended tag, perhaps addr:locality, because having addr:town addr:village