Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-16 Thread Richard Mann
IMO it's better to add something clear than to shoehorn something into a generic tag. Especially if you end up with compound values. OK so they could be parsed, but it's just making work (both processing and maintaining). Better to have something unambiguous like national_rail=yes and

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
AJ Ashton wrote: We've found that the lack of familiar London Underground and National Rail icons is a particularly strong sticking point with people who would otherwise happily switch to OSM, which is partly why we chose to focus on it. Absolutely. It does look really good. :) I guess

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-16 Thread SomeoneElse
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Or indeed we could just go with network=National Rail as a good enough solution. My issue with National Rail was that, to me, (as I explained to the Peruvian chap who's edited Mansfield Woodhouse station): National Rail means these people:

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-16 Thread SomeoneElse
AJ Ashton wrote: .. and apparently we messed up. ... AJ @ MapBox Sorry, but who's we here? Is it a bunch of people at some other mailing list/forum, or who work for Mapbox, or something else? Last night I spotted changes from someone (I think*) from Peru, and (I think) from the US -

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-16 Thread Richard Mann
National Rail is what ATOC came up with to describe things that are represented by the double-arrow symbol, and which would formerly have been referred to as British Rail or informally as the rail network. (The staff refer to it as the railway, but that's another subject) National Rail isn't a

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-16 Thread Chris Hill
On 16/05/12 04:35, AJ Ashton wrote: Hi Richard everyone, This started off simply as an effort to improve our display London Underground stations using existing OSM data, but was scope-creeped into much more and apparently we messed up. We've found that the lack of familiar London Underground

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-16 Thread AJ Ashton
Thanks for the explanations of the complicated 'network' situation. Richard Fairhurst wrote: It may lend itself to an ncn/rcn/lcn or nwn/rwn/lwn solution, ... I'm tempted to suggest a generic tag for any country's national railway system (mainline=yes|no or somesuch), and then you could

[Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
SomeoneElse on IRC noticed a big heap of debatable bulk changes to station nodes in the UK, seemingly made by people outside the UK and using Wikipedia as a source. I've reverted these (well, actually, at the time of writing the revert is running!). If the users would like to discuss the

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I wrote: SomeoneElse on IRC noticed a big heap of debatable bulk changes to station nodes in the UK Someone else (not SomeoneElse... hell this is confusing) has pointed me, off-list, to this: http://mapbox.com/blog/improved-british-rail-icons/ which obviously looks cool. I guess this is

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-15 Thread Craig Wallace
On 15/05/2012 20:16, Richard Fairhurst wrote: SomeoneElse on IRC noticed a big heap of debatable bulk changes to station nodes in the UK, seemingly made by people outside the UK and using Wikipedia as a source. I've reverted these (well, actually, at the time of writing the revert is running!).

Re: [Talk-GB] Bulk railway station changes

2012-05-15 Thread AJ Ashton
Hi Richard everyone, This started off simply as an effort to improve our display London Underground stations using existing OSM data, but was scope-creeped into much more and apparently we messed up. We've found that the lack of familiar London Underground and National Rail icons is a