Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-06 Thread Dan S
That's interesting Andy, thanks Dan 2014-10-05 23:07 GMT+01:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: With new editors though I sometimes think we forget how hard it is for someone to start editing now in e.g. the centre of London compared to when we experienced mappers started. Here, for

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-06 Thread Tom Chance
I'd echo Andy's comments, particularly about politely contacting all new users in your neck of the woods. My principal difficulty is in working out what people have done in each changeset. The best tool we had for this - OWL - is now defunct. This let you browse around the area looking at all

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-06 Thread SomeoneElse
On 06/10/2014 11:30, Tom Chance wrote: My principal difficulty is in working out what people have done in each changeset. The best tool we had for this - OWL - is now defunct. This let you browse around the area looking at all changesets, seeing features that had been deleted / moved /

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/10/14 11:25, Andy Street wrote: Simply refusing to delete seems rather unhelpful. I'd much prefer the user to be presented with a dialog box that explains the problem in simple terms before allowing them to either continue with the delete or seek assistance. If the user requires assistance

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-05 Thread Andy Street
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 12:47:29 +0100 David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: Newbies will tend to do what is necessary to suppress the error message, without thinking what they are doing. Alternatively, they will reject the editor as one of the big problem with creating dumbed down

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-05 Thread Antje (OpenStreetMap)
I am trying to think how to reduce incidents that would cause alarm to users like me, but there is no point in flagging new editors because it won’t help them integrate into OSM. I am not an expert in iD since I moved on from Potlatch, but Potlatch at least denotes relations on ways, while iD

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/10/14 14:11, Lester Caine wrote: Which sort of ties in with my constraints on relations. If an edit is breaking something it's easy enough to say unable to proceed because ... but ideally the API should be able to find a new missing bit and add it into the relation? Only blocking

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-05 Thread SomeoneElse
With new editors though I sometimes think we forget how hard it is for someone to start editing now in e.g. the centre of London compared to when we experienced mappers started. Here, for example (courtesy of Martijn Van Exel's OSM Then and Now) is what the area I started mapping in looked