Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-15 Thread Jez Nicholson
Whilst we are on USRNs (and UPRNs), I have updated https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_OpenData to include them. The whole discussion on how they join up could merit a wiki section or page of its own...somewhere to collect together all the snippets of information.just a gentle

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-15 Thread Mark Goodge
On 15/07/2020 09:05, Phillip Barnett wrote: Could you not just ask the local mapper to knock on any doors in the street and ASK them the name? And then use that local knowledge? In this case, there are no doors on the street as it's just an access road! What might work would be to contact a

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-15 Thread Mark Goodge
On 15/07/2020 08:35, o...@poppe.dev wrote: We wish to refer you to the Adopted Roads map for this information. This can found via: http://maps.ealing.gov.uk/Webreports/Highways/Adoptedroads.html You are free to use this information for your own use, including for non-commercial research

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-15 Thread Phillip Barnett
Could you not just ask the local mapper to knock on any doors in the street and ASK them the name? And then use that local knowledge? Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Jul 2020, at 08:36, o...@poppe.dev wrote: > >  >> I've made an FOI request yesterday and am awaiting a reply. What we could >>

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-15 Thread osm
> I've made an FOI request yesterday and am awaiting a reply. What we could > also do is find a local mapper to answer what he knows about the street. Getting back to something fun, this is what turned up yesterday: *** Your request: In the ELTHORNE ward, SOA E01001248, there’s a small

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 12:39, Mark Goodge wrote: > For non-OS maps, copyright expires 70 years after the death of the last > surviving major contributor. The wiki has some information on this: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Out-of-copyright_maps#UK See also:

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-11 Thread Mark Goodge
On 11/07/2020 07:47, Steve Doerr wrote: On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: So, it seems that Fairfield [Road] isn't known to either OS or Google. It is shown (in abbreviated form) on streetmap.co.uk, but at that zoom level, in London, that's based on the Bartholomew A-Z maps rather than

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-11 Thread Kai Michael Poppe - OSM
Morning list! I've made an FOI request yesterday and am awaiting a reply. What we could also do is find a local mapper to answer what he knows about the street. K Am 11. Juli 2020 12:37:33 MESZ schrieb Martin Wynne : > >> It is just possible (sight unseen) that it is an Easter Egg. > >We could

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-11 Thread Martin Wynne
It is just possible (sight unseen) that it is an Easter Egg. We could do the same. If we don't know whether it is permissible to tag it Fairfield Road in OSM, and there is no actual sign on it, we could call it Fairfields Road. Martin. ___

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-11 Thread Michael Collinson
On 2020-07-11 07:47, Steve Doerr wrote: On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: So, it seems that Fairfield [Road] isn't known to either OS or Google. It is shown (in abbreviated form) on streetmap.co.uk, but at that zoom level, in London, that's based on the Bartholomew A-Z maps rather than

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-11 Thread Steve Doerr
On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: So, it seems that Fairfield [Road] isn't known to either OS or Google. It is shown (in abbreviated form) on streetmap.co.uk, but at that zoom level, in London, that's based on the Bartholomew A-Z maps rather than OS. For what it's worth, I also found

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Lester Caine
On 10/07/2020 22:27, Nick wrote: Hi Lester I think there needs to be some thought as to the "proper channel to feed corrections to the 'data officer' responsible". It took me months to get a 'data officer' to correct the location of a single UPRN, so my thought is that this needs to be a

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Nick
Hi Lester I think there needs to be some thought as to the "proper channel to feed corrections to the 'data officer' responsible". It took me months to get a 'data officer' to correct the location of a single UPRN, so my thought is that this needs to be a 'public' (open) channel that shows a)

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Mark Goodge
On 10/07/2020 16:00, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: After not having any luck in finding out of copyright maps that helped I wondered, if a FOI request to Ealing Council, naming the exact location and asking for the name would be fruitful. Did anyone ever try something like this? Would this

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Mark Goodge
On 10/07/2020 14:21, Lester Caine wrote: On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: This is, of course, one of the problems with proprietary data. It can be difficult to spot errors, because the people who are most likely to spot errors - members of the general public with local knowledge -

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Kai Michael Poppe - OSM
Thank you for this absolute masterpiece of detective work, Marc! I'd never thought that looking through old Notes would spark such an interest :) As reported before, my own dip into having USRN data underlying JOSM at that particular point showed that this stub (in USRN the part where the

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Lester Caine
On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: This is, of course, one of the problems with proprietary data. It can be difficult to spot errors, because the people who are most likely to spot errors - members of the general public with local knowledge - tend not to have easy access to the data.

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Nick
Hi Mark Brilliant comment - "because the people who are most likely to spot errors - members of the general public with local knowledge - tend not to have easy access to the data". Now we need the evidence (errors) collated centrally (OSM?). On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: Apologies

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread James Derrick
Hi, On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: So this is a bit of a warning, really, for the open mapping community. Although the open data release of USRN ids and coordinates is welcome, don't be tempted to look up street names on the street list published, with a restrictive licence, on

[Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

2020-07-10 Thread Mark Goodge
Apologies for the long read, but this may be interesting to some folk. This follows on from my earlier response to Kai Michael Poppe about "Fairfield Road" in Ealing. On 04/07/2020 12:02, I wrote: To find the USRN of the path, you need to use the lookup tables supplied by OS. Doing that, we