Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-14 Thread Dan S
Andy Townsend wrote: (6) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SomeoneElse/Your_tiles_from_osm.org Interesting hack Andy, thanks 2015-07-14 6:18 GMT+01:00 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Unfortunately I suspect what I'd choose works well for a certain type of countryside, but

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dan S wrote: Sounds good. Mind if I ask how it is done? (i.e. rendering rules for rural vs town) Post-import, I run a couple of queries along the lines of UPDATE planet_osm_point SET urban=true FROM built_up_areas WHERE ST_Contains(built_up_areas.geom,way) using a pre-existing

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-14 Thread Mark Goodge
On 13/07/2015 18:14, Andy Allan wrote: On 13 July 2015 at 14:34, Mike Evans mi...@saxicola.co.uk wrote: It seems to me that the viaduct and the railway are two separate entities and should mapped as such. Just because an abandoned railway happens to run on the top of the viaduct is irrelevant

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-14 Thread SK53
Actually creating built-up areas from OSM data is fraught with problems: the basic one, being that OSM landuse/landcover is too fine-grained for identifying built-up areas. This is one of the examples in my category of 'emergent data': data which is sort of there, but is actually quite hard to

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 July 2015 at 08:53, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: The significant (and massive) disused railway viaduct near Thrapston: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264894970 does not render on our default map However, this viaduct of comparable size, does:

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-14 Thread Andy Robinson
but that’s not really true. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Townsend [mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 July 2015 21:31 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct On 14/07/2015 20:24, Andy Mabbett wrote: The only significant difference seems

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-14 Thread Andy Robinson
@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct We could take that line of thought further. A viaduct/bridge etc actually has nothing to do with a railway per se. It’s a structural object in its own right. What we should be doing is rendering the bridge structure first

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-14 Thread Paul Sladen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 14 Jul 2015, Andy Robinson wrote: I've now reverted. I fear that unless the render starts rendering bridge={viaduct,yes,etc} such re-tagging is likely to continue---or at least highway=track; access=private getting added to more things. Is

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread SK53
Bridges and other significant remaining infrastructure of railways tagged as railway=abandoned ceased to be rendered on the Standard rendering some time ago. There was a degree of dissension with this decision: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/542. Certainly I recall a few

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2015-07-13 at 10:25 +0100, SK53 wrote: Bridges and other significant remaining infrastructure of railways tagged as railway=abandoned ceased to be rendered on the Standard rendering some time ago. There was a degree of dissension with this decision:

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread ael
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 08:53:57AM +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: The significant (and massive) disused railway viaduct near Thrapston: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264894970 does not render on our default map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3914/-0.5433 despite being

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Dave F.
Ah, that's a bit annoying. This is also a significant structure: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/38331305 Not least as a tourist attraction for fans of the film 'The Titfield Thunderbolt' which was made along this stretch of line. It can't be too hard to the carto scheme to check

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 July 2015 at 10:37, thomas van der veen th.vanderv...@gmail.com wrote: Hockley Viaduct near Winchester does get rendered: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/108241777#map=18/51.03628/-1.32230 but probably because there is a path on it. Would that be a workaround for you Andy? Thank

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread thomas van der veen
Hockley Viaduct near Winchester does get rendered: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/108241777#map=18/51.03628/-1.32230 but probably because there is a path on it. Would that be a workaround for you Andy? Thomas On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:25 AM, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: Bridges and

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 13/07/2015 17:46, Paul Sladen wrote: Any UK-specific rendering is not going to solve the core issue: that large numbers of perfectly extent bridges and tunnels are not rendered; Most of these old tunnels in Nottingham are not rendered: Relation: Tunnels of Nottingham

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Townsend wrote: OSM's standard map is currently trying to be the primary feedback mechanism to mappers but also have clear design (1). I genuinely don't believe that you can do both well in one map style. I think you can, but it requires serious cartographical chops, and - ideally -

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Mike Evans
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:40:26 +0100 ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 08:53:57AM +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: The significant (and massive) disused railway viaduct near Thrapston: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264894970 does not render on our default

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Andy Allan
On 13 July 2015 at 14:34, Mike Evans mi...@saxicola.co.uk wrote: It seems to me that the viaduct and the railway are two separate entities and should mapped as such. Just because an abandoned railway happens to run on the top of the viaduct is irrelevant in my opinion. Exactly. If there was

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/07/15 16:09, Matthijs Melissen wrote: I think this, and blue motorways, is a good argument for why we need a UK render of the map. I agree a UK-specific rendering would be very useful, especially now the Default style is getting less and less UK-centric. Seconded ... While the main

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 13 July 2015 at 14:13, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I think this, and blue motorways, is a good argument for why we need a UK render of the map. I agree a UK-specific rendering would be very useful, especially now the Default style is getting less and less UK-centric. --

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Paul Sladen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 13 July 2015 at 14:13, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I think this, and blue motorways, I agree a UK-specific rendering would be very useful, I fear that there is a risk the original

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread phil
On Mon Jul 13 19:07:35 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote: Curious: Why don't you think blue for motorways is acceptable? Blue is the correct colour for motorways, I was referring to the coming carto change where they will become orange. Phil (trigpoint ) On 13/07/2015 13:13, Philip Barnes

[Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
The significant (and massive) disused railway viaduct near Thrapston: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264894970 does not render on our default map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3914/-0.5433 despite being a significant and very visible landmark:

Re: [Talk-GB] Thrapston viaduct

2015-07-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 13 July 2015 at 09:53, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I don't want fudge things to just tag for the renderer, but is there a relevant tag missing, or should we change the rendering styles to show such objects? You might be interested in this PR which is currently under