Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread Jason Cunningham
On 8 May 2013 16:09, Jason Woollacott wool...@hotmail.com wrote: And then we end up with disputes over what areas you are and are not permitted to enter. Broken Lines, and you are permitted to enter if safe, solid lines, only permitted to enter in an emergency. Both of which

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/05/2013 12:56, Jason Cunningham wrote: UK legislation is fairly clear that Traffic Islands (with or without hatched markings before are after) are not considered to create two carriagways. We're not mapping legislation, but nethertheless I wouldnt create two carriageways for a traffic

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:06 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote: What do people think of this: http://osm.org/go/0EQSJEoZT-- (aerial: http://binged.it/10kuDNm ) and this: http://osm.org/go/eu6_VCkLp-- (aerial: http://binged.it/16js1Ye ) I like these (although the first one

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread Oliver Jowett
I did something similar to this junction: http://osm.org/go/0EQSYTukM-- / http://binged.it/16jtNsx (note that the most detailed aerial photo is quite old and predates the guided busway - zoom out for more recent imagery) primarily to get routing right. The current version reflects some

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/05/2013 13:30, Oliver Jowett wrote: If there's a better way to represent this while keeping enough information to be able to route sensibly, how should it be done? You can set up turn restrictions with relations where necessary. But as John said, it doesn't do much for pedestrians (or

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread Oliver Jowett
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:40 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote: On 09/05/2013 13:30, Oliver Jowett wrote: If there's a better way to represent this while keeping enough information to be able to route sensibly, how should it be done? You can set up turn restrictions with

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread SomeoneElse
First of all - thanks for all the replies. I've added a link to this thread to the map note. David Earl wrote: What do people think of this: http://osm.org/go/0EQSJEoZT-- (aerial: http://binged.it/10kuDNm ) It's a couple of months since I was there, but my recollection is that that one

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread Oliver Jowett
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:19 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: First of all - thanks for all the replies. I've added a link to this thread to the map note. David Earl wrote: What do people think of this: http://osm.org/go/0EQSJEoZT-- (aerial: http://binged.it/10kuDNm )

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread Kevin Peat
On 9 May 2013 13:06, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: What do people think of this: http://osm.org/go/0EQSJEoZT-- (aerial: http://binged.it/10kuDNm ) and this: http://osm.org/go/eu6_VCkLp-- (aerial: http://binged.it/16js1Ye ) These look good to me. I have mapped a number of

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-08 Thread Brian Prangle
Well if a road is separated into lanes by a large area of paint which has a legal injunction not to enter, can that be regarded as barrier=paint? It passes the test of being physical - visible paint has been applied to the road and it passes the test of being a barrier by law. Regards Brian

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-08 Thread Jason Woollacott
so. And lets not even discuss yellow box junctions... Jason. (UniEagle) F rom: Brian Prangle Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 4:00 PM To: Tom Chance Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided Well

[Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-07 Thread SomeoneElse
I recently added this note in Lincoln: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/1565 There are a number of problems here. The A15 here isn't a dual carriageway, and the roads between the southbound A15 and Pottergate consequentially don't exist. There may well be turn restrictions into and

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-07 Thread Tom Chance
I have always operated on the assumption that you only split the road into two ways if they are physically separated by a barrier, I'm pretty sure that has been the consensus practice for a good six years. Regards, Tom On 7 May 2013 12:27, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: I

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-07 Thread Jason Woollacott
+1 from me. Jason (UniEagle) From: Tom Chance Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:05 PM To: SomeoneElse Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided I have always operated on the assumption that you only split

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-07 Thread Philip Barnes
+1 from me too. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-07 Thread sk53.osm
Like others I agree that split roads must have some absolute barrier between them. If there is a traffic jam and it is possible to do a U-turn then the road should not be split. There are however a number of cases which might be a bit harder to call. I notice a revised road layout yesterday where