Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-08 Thread seirra blake
hmm... point taken. I do want to try making custom maps in the future that I'll probably base off of carto, so maybe I'll have a better grasp when I start that project On 5/8/19 10:43 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: It depends on a map. For OSM Carto (current default map style at the OSM Main

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-08 Thread seirra blake
ah, I see what you're saying. so one that is geared towards the public may have completely different priorities etc.. I guess it's something I'll understand better over time On 5/8/19 10:25 AM, David Woolley wrote: On 08/05/2019 02:18, seirra blake wrote: is there any articles on what

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-08 Thread Andy Townsend
On 08/05/2019 02:18, seirra blake wrote: is there any articles on what does/doesn't get used on particular zoom levels? just figure it wouldn't hurt to double check my general understanding This cropped up on the forum recently - see

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-08 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
It depends on a map. For OSM Carto (current default map style at the OSM Main site) one may look at source code - for example https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/amenity-points.mss#L43

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-08 Thread David Woolley
On 08/05/2019 02:18, seirra blake wrote: is there any articles on what does/doesn't get used on particular zoom levels? just figure it wouldn't hurt to double check my general understanding That assumes that zoom level has any meaning to the tool being used to access the map. For slippy

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread seirra blake
is there any articles on what does/doesn't get used on particular zoom levels? just figure it wouldn't hurt to double check my general understanding On 5/7/19 1:21 PM, Russ Garrett wrote: On Tue, 7 May 2019 at 12:40, Martin Wynne wrote: I don't know anyone who would say "I see a residential

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread seirra blake
the way I see it, what osm is for... is whatever people want to use it for really. to me, osm is great because you can achieve a detail like no other, if you see a problem, you can either fix it there and then, or mark it for fixing later a lot better than say for example google where they

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
7 May 2019, 14:30 by mar...@templot.com: > This idea of primary and secondary tags is new to me. There is no such > distinction in the iD editor -- all applied tags are simply listed in > alphabetical order. > Primary tag in iD editor is one at the top, with an icon (selecting another

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
7 May 2019, 13:17 by mar...@templot.com: > On 07/05/2019 11:34, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > >> Your OSM example look fine to me - a single property is still where people >> reside. Any other details, such as garden, should be mapped individually >> within that area. >> > > Thanks Dave. But

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
7 May 2019, 14:38 by mar...@templot.com: > On 07/05/2019 13:21, Russ Garrett wrote: > >>> From a zoomed-out perspective, landuse= (and natural=) is the main >>> >> thing you see on the map (especially if buildings aren't mapped), so I >> think it's pretty useful from a cartographic point of

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Martin Wynne
On 07/05/2019 15:40, David Woolley wrote: Describing the physical object is a way of objectively mapping, but if that is all you do, you don't need a map; just use the aerial imagery directly. Yes, but the aerial imagery isn't available *free* for anyone to use for anything. It's not edited

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread David Woolley
On 07/05/2019 15:22, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: If a pub has external land other than the building itself a similar schema to 'schools' should be used: draw an enclosing polygon around the extent of the grounds & tag it with amenity=pub & any other details such as name, address, website etc.

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread David Woolley
On 07/05/2019 15:03, Martin Wynne wrote: But is that what OSM is for -- to describe the *purpose* of a thing? The original purpose of OSM was to break the monopoly on map data held by commercial mappers, by taking advantage of the ready availability of GPS equipment, so the purposes for

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/05/2019 14:38, David Woolley wrote: On 07/05/2019 13:30, Martin Wynne wrote: This idea of primary and secondary tags is new to me. There is no such distinction in the iD editor -- all applied tags are simply listed in alphabetical order. Things like name, height, and colour are

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Martin Wynne
On 07/05/2019 14:38, David Woolley wrote: However, I wouldn't say the primary purpose of the area you were asking about is to be a garden; I would say it is somewhere to reside, and the gardens form a subsidiary part of it, and should be represented with nested areas. Thanks David. But is

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread David Woolley
On 07/05/2019 13:30, Martin Wynne wrote: This idea of primary and secondary tags is new to me. There is no such distinction in the iD editor -- all applied tags are simply listed in alphabetical order. Things like name, height, and colour are normally considered secondary. Things like

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Russ Garrett
On Tue, 7 May 2019 at 13:39, Martin Wynne wrote: > Thanks Russ. That's what I was getting at when I started this topic. How > many houses make a residential area? Does it make sense to apply it to a > single isolated house? I reckon it does, although it depends on your level of patience. The

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Martin Wynne
On 07/05/2019 13:21, Russ Garrett wrote: From a zoomed-out perspective, landuse= (and natural=) is the main thing you see on the map (especially if buildings aren't mapped), so I think it's pretty useful from a cartographic point of view. It's not just about what you see on the ground, but

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Martin Wynne
On 07/05/2019 13:04, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Primarily, map what you see on the ground, Any legalese requirements (access restrictions etc) can be added as secondary tags. Thanks Dave. In that case, I would think landuse=residential would be a secondary tag on something else more visible?

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Russ Garrett
On Tue, 7 May 2019 at 12:40, Martin Wynne wrote: > I don't know anyone who would say "I see a residential area". Or "I see > a plot of land with planning class C3 or C4". From a zoomed-out perspective, landuse= (and natural=) is the main thing you see on the map (especially if buildings aren't

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/05/2019 12:40, Martin Wynne wrote: Are we trying to create a legal reference document? Or a description of what a visitor would see on the ground? From OSM's main welcome page: "OpenStreetMap is a place for mapping things that are both /real and current"

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread David Woolley
On 07/05/2019 12:40, Martin Wynne wrote: I think this goes to the heart of my (mis)understanding of what OSM is for? Are we trying to create a legal reference document? Or a description of what a visitor would see on the ground? We are trying to create something that serves several

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
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Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Martin Wynne
On 07/05/2019 12:04, David Woolley wrote: I would say it was anything that was landuse=residential, and, in the UK, that would basically be anything where the primary planning class was C3 or C4. Thanks David. I think this goes to the heart of my (mis)understanding of what OSM is for? Are

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/05/2019 12:17, Martin Wynne wrote: On 07/05/2019 11:34, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Your OSM example look fine to me - a single property is still where people reside. Any other details, such as garden, should be mapped individually within that area. Thanks Dave. But in that case, why in

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread David Woolley
On 07/05/2019 12:17, Martin Wynne wrote: On 07/05/2019 11:34, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Your OSM example look fine to me - a single property is still where people reside. Any other details, such as garden, should be mapped individually within that area. Thanks Dave. But in that case, why in

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Martin Wynne
On 07/05/2019 11:34, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Your OSM example look fine to me - a single property is still where people reside. Any other details, such as garden, should be mapped individually within that area. Thanks Dave. But in that case, why in the iD editor when I change "Residential

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread David Woolley
On 07/05/2019 11:11, Martin Wynne wrote: What is a "residential area" in the iD editor? How many dwellings are needed in what proximity to become one? Is it a physical plot of land on which at least one person lives? Or the usual meaning of a village/hamlet/housing estate/suburb where a number

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Your OSM example look fine to me - a single property is still where people reside. Any other details, such as garden, should be mapped individually within that area. The mistake early in OSM's life was to use this tag to indicate a village/town/city as a whole, with a blanket polygon covering

[Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Martin Wynne
What is a "residential area" in the iD editor? How many dwellings are needed in what proximity to become one? Is it a physical plot of land on which at least one person lives? Or the usual meaning of a village/hamlet/housing estate/suburb where a number of people live? In my patch there are