Re: [Talk-GB] A13 and NCN13 getting muddled?

2009-08-07 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 7 Aug 2009, at 00:06, Mark Williams wrote: Peter Miller wrote: This is the A13 and it in the ncn13 relation which I think is wrong http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/23406798 Any thoughts? Anyone fancy following it up? Actually no, the NCN13 route _IS_ down the A13! Bizarre but

[Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread David Earl
This time he's invented a fictitious railway line into Great Yarmouth This needs reverting: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2063848 added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=GB_revert_request_log David ___ Talk-GB mailing

[Talk-GB] counter-vandalism tools

2009-08-07 Thread Peter Miller
This is an interesting category of tools and resources available for maintaining Wikipedia against vandalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_counter-vandalism_tools Regards, Peter ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Mann
The only thing that ever worked with graffiti on the railway was painting it over in all the obvious places. I'm afraid we just have to find a way to undo or redo his works. In our context, obvious is anything big, and anything new. Richard ___ Talk-GB

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Nick Barnes
Tom Hughes wrote: Well it will have to go to the WG for that. They will doubtless start by sending him a direct email. Is it just me who thinks that having a wiki which is open to everybody and doesn't have any controls over who can do what is utterly ludicrous? Yes, I'm a trusting soul, but

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nick Barnes wrote: Is it just me who thinks that having a wiki which is open to everybody and doesn't have any controls over who can do what is utterly ludicrous? No, millions of Wikipedia contributors think it is a good thing (and they even allow edits from people without an account) ;-)

Re: [Talk-GB] 3 more changesets from Liam123 for reversion

2009-08-07 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:21 PM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Peter Miller wrote: 3 more changesets today from Liam123 for reversion. I have added them to the revert page and have copied this email the Andy. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GB_revert_request_log You got

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Nick Barnes
Frederik Ramm wrote: No, millions of Wikipedia contributors think it is a good thing (and they even allow edits from people without an account) ;-) Point taken, but Wikipedia isn't trying to position itself as a viable and reliable alternative for a mission critical commercial solution (I'm

Re: [Talk-GB] 3 more changesets from Liam123 for reversion

2009-08-07 Thread David Earl
Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:21 PM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Peter Miller wrote: 3 more changesets today from Liam123 for reversion. I have added them to the revert page and have copied this email the Andy.

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Nick Barnesn...@thebarnesfamily.eu wrote: To my mind, nobody ought to be able to edit live map data unless: No, no, no - completely wrong approach. Think using Dettol continuously to keep your house clean - most people now realise that healthy immune systems come

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Christopher Osborne
I'd like to hear from the DWG on how they handle the edit wars in Cyprus. Must be some kind of precedent? Chris ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nick Barnes wrote: Point taken, but Wikipedia isn't trying to position itself as a viable and reliable alternative for a mission critical commercial solution (I'm thinking about mapping for SatNav devices here). I don't think we should either, because this leads to more control and less

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Christopher Osbornechris.gai...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to hear from the DWG on how they handle the edit wars in Cyprus. Must be some kind of precedent? Handled, past tense, I believe. I've heard that it's now resolved. Anyway, that was a dispute, not

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Matt Amos
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Nick Barnes wrote: Point taken, but Wikipedia isn't trying to position itself as a viable and reliable alternative for a mission critical commercial solution (I'm thinking about mapping for SatNav devices here). I

Re: [Talk-GB] 3 more changesets from Liam123 for reversion

2009-08-07 Thread Peter Miller
On 7 Aug 2009, at 13:32, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:21 PM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Peter Miller wrote: 3 more changesets today from Liam123 for reversion. I have added them to the revert page and have copied this email the Andy.

Re: [Talk-GB] Deriving data from aerial imagery

2009-08-07 Thread James Davis
Frederik Ramm wrote: No, that's perfectly ok. If you want to be extra safe, you might want to ask for permission to distribute derived mapping under the license choosen by the OpenStreetMap foundation, this will reduce problems if the license should be changed in the future. That's good to

Re: [Talk-GB] 3 more changesets from Liam123 for reversion

2009-08-07 Thread David Earl
Peter Miller wrote: Personally I see little justification for not removing every edit done by Liam123 until he talks to us or clearly starts to make good useful contributions that we can verify. Can I ask you to reconsider you decision and remove the changeset where he has made small

Re: [Talk-GB] Old data in XAPI

2009-08-07 Thread Russ Phillips
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:36 PM, 80n80n...@gmail.com wrote: Try [amenity=pharmacy] instead of [*=pharmacy] The index for the second form is no longer being maintained.  There were relatively few queries of this form and the overhead was substantial. Ah, that worked. Excellent, thanks :-) The

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Kevin Peat
these data may contain errors, you can use it at your own risk, but you can't sue us. This whole wikipedia comparison seems bogus to me. Kids use wikipedia to do their homework, people don't trust their lives to it like they do with maps every day of the week. I've used an OS map many times

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Mann
Maybe stopping people moving ways (or deleting or moving individual points in ways by more than a few metres) for the first months. I don't think I've ever done the former (except in error), and it took me a while to realise that Yahoo needed moving (using the spacebar), rather than the data, with

Re: [Talk-GB] 3 more changesets from Liam123 for reversion

2009-08-07 Thread WessexMario
Banning the account is a no-go. Without any effective policing of account creation (which we probably don't want), all that banning would do is encourage spiteful edits with one or many new ids, which would be much more difficult to identify. At least with a single known userid it can be

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Russ
Frederik Ramm wrote: Oh yeah, and let's also get their addresses and hang them! I am amazed at how much hostility this Liam123 is able to provoke. I'm not. I think it's similar to the way people react to virus writers after their computer is infected. I've heard plenty of people suggest that

Re: [Talk-GB] Old data in XAPI

2009-08-07 Thread Russ
80n wrote: Try [amenity=pharmacy] instead of [*=pharmacy] The index for the second form is no longer being maintained. There were relatively few queries of this form and the overhead was substantial. The software shouldn't give you a seemingly ok response, that needs fixing. And I

[Talk-GB] Duplicate relations on Ways

2009-08-07 Thread Peter Reed
I've been trying to tidy up some admin boundaries, using Relation Analyzer to find gaps. As far as I can tell all the upper tier authorities (non-districts) in England are there now, and form complete polygons. For a while I was stumped by what seemed to be some gaps around Nottingham. It turned

[Talk-GB] Liam123

2009-08-07 Thread Vic Morgan
It would appear the Liam123 has been acting illegally under section 3 of the Misuse of Computers Act 1990. This should be reported to the Police. Even if it's not worth a prosecution the Police will know how best to curtail Liam123's activities. Just because OSM-ers' contributions are free doesn't

Re: [Talk-GB] 3 more changesets from Liam123 for reversion

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Bullock
Peter Miller wrote: Personally I see little justification for not removing every edit done by Liam123 until he talks to us or clearly starts to make good useful contributions that we can verify. Can I ask you to reconsider you decision and remove the changeset where he has made small changed

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123

2009-08-07 Thread Grant Slater
2009/8/7 Vic Morgan vic.mor...@ntlworld.com: It would appear the Liam123 has been acting illegally under section 3 of the Misuse of Computers Act 1990. This should be reported to the Police. Even if it's not worth a prosecution the Police will know how best to curtail Liam123's activities.

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Jeffrey Martin
Maybe we want different policies for different areas and different kinds of data. For example once all the roads are mapped we freeze the roads, but we allow free changing of street names until they reach a freeze point. Here in Korea I just want data and the more the better. In downtown London