Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
Such a collection of records would, presumably, be copyright. On 4 November 2011 10:14, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: It might be a bit over the top, but for pubs that make the CAMRA Good Beer Guide (or for some branches their local guide) lots of details have to be collected. See for example the key on this example page: http://www.tendringcamra.org.uk/pubdetails.html?uid=10856 (there is an iframe or something to pull the middle bit from the Essex CAMRA Pubs database). Things like nearest bus route and nearest station don’t need surveying of course, assuming these are already mapped in OSM. The above pub may not have been the best example. Opening hours and Food hours often aren’t the same (opening_hours:food=?) – see for example http://www.tendringcamra.org.uk/pubdetails.html?uid=10940 CAMRA members can visit http://www.hertsale.org.uk/essex/GetPubsByLocation.php and log in using their national login to see still more details which are generally hidden. Thing such as lat/lon, owner, tied or not, licensee, licensing area, Good Beer Guide years, who did the survey (not logged in you only see survey date), and some remarks which are usually used to store news about pubs closing, reopening, changing hands, poor service, or whatever. These regional database sites are due to feed into a national database, but I’ve not heard how that is progressing. Ed From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 November 2011 08:58 To: Andy Robinson Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK Hi everyone Thanks to everyone who made suggestions. If we can build on Graham's initial efforts I think we can get a great map and do some some interesting surveying with an incentive to get people out mapping! As a first pass on a tagging scheme can I suggest we follow the wiki page at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brewery for showing which beers are on sale at pubs ( i.e NOT guest beers) and that we encourage the use of the extra tags suggested on the wiki page for pubshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpub We can also make us of the microbrewey tag described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:microbrewery%3Dyes for those places that only sell their beer on their own premises. Using that as a basis we could tag building=distillery building=brewery building=cider_press building=perry_press (that should remove any spurious entries like Brewery Apartments if we just do a search on names) For specialist off-licences which sell real ale we could use the realale tag from the pub wiki page Some breweries don't have visiting facilities so we need a tag to describe this. Any suggestions? Opening hours could do it maybe? To cover all these establishments should we have an industry sector tag industry=alcohol or commercial=alcohol? Perhaps alcoholic_beverage would be better to distinguish it from industrial alcohol? How to distinguish real ale from industrial mass market breweries? How to list awards e.g CAMRA Pub of the Year 2010 Once we can get a consensus I can get a wiki page up within the UK projects section Regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] How to tag marine lights on posts
- Original Message - From: Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 3:48 PM Subject: [Talk-GB] How to tag marine lights on posts I've just tagged a row of 18 marine hazard lights, on tall posts, as highway=street_lamp For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1494256519 Clearly that's not correct; what tag would folk suggest? -- Something from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Seamark_Tag_Values depending on exactly what the light characteristsics are David Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
On 05/11/2011 21:48, Graham Jones wrote: I know that tagging for the renderer is frowned upon, but I really do not like all these colons in key names, because (as far as I know) that means having an extra column in the database produced by osm2pgsql for renderingand every time I want to add an extra column it means an entire re-import of the databse. I don't claim to be an osm2pgsql expert, but I think that's a misunderstanding of the situation. I think *any* new tag added to osm.xml results in an extra column, whether it has a colon or not. Generally you shouldn't consider any performance implications when creating a tag, because you don't know what will change in the next version of the code. The easy-for-mappers-but-maybe-a-bit-computationally-intensive scheme you're trying to avoid may become a non-issue with a few lines of code changed. Equally the opposite may happen. For information, I'm assured that extra columns produce next to no performance degradation anyway since osm2pgsql started using hstore. Jonathan. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How to tag marine lights on posts
These are warning beacons to mark the line of reefs. The appropriate OpenSeaMap tagging would be: seamark:type=beacon_special_purpose seamark:beacon_special_purpose:category=artificial_reef seamark:special_purpose_beacon:shape=pile seamark:light:colour=whatever the colour of the light is seamark:light:character=whatever the flashing pattern is seamark:topmark:shape=if it has a topmark, the shape seamark:topmark:colour=if it has a topmark, the colour NB: these tags will only be rendered on OpenSeaMap (an overlay to the StreetMap). man_made=beacon would be appropriate for the StreetMap, although I don't know whether this tag is rendered. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
Hi Jonathan, I don't claim to be an osm2pgsql expert, but I think that's a misunderstanding of the situation. I think *any* new tag added to osm.xml results in an extra column, whether it has a colon or not. You are right, the colons are not significant. What I should have said is that I do not like inventing new keys when they are not necessary because they end up needing to be an extra column in the database - adding a colon to an existing key may appear to be some sort of lower level in a hierarchy, but as far as I can tell it is just creating a new key that looks similar to the existing one - at least in the osm2pgsql schema. In this specific case we have two options: - craft = brewery - craft = cider - craft = brewery; cider etc. etc... or - craft:brewery = true - craft:cider = true both achieve the same thing, but the first uses only a single, pre-existing key, whereas the second creates two new ones. If the second version ended up storing boolean values, I could see an argument for it because it could reduce storage space, but everything is just text, so there is not much in it. Generally you shouldn't consider any performance implications when creating a tag, because you don't know what will change in the next version of the code. The easy-for-mappers-but-maybe-a-**bit-computationally-intensive scheme you're trying to avoid may become a non-issue with a few lines of code changed. Equally the opposite may happen. Not too sure about that - I don't think either of the options is significantly harder for mappers! For information, I'm assured that extra columns produce next to no performance degradation anyway since osm2pgsql started using hstore. I am thinking about scrapping my hstore enabled database because things seem to have got a lot slower since I added it, but might do a bit more testing first. It is as much about neatness as performance - with a simple 'craft=' schema I can have a single sql query that extracts everything with a craft= tag, then just filter on the value of craft to decide how to render it. With craft, craft:brewery, craft:cider etc., they will each need a different bit of sql. All quite possible, just the simpler one seems neater to me. Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How to tag marine lights on posts
On 7 November 2011 18:28, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote: These are warning beacons to mark the line of reefs. The appropriate OpenSeaMap tagging would be: seamark:type=beacon_special_purpose seamark:beacon_special_purpose:category=artificial_reef seamark:special_purpose_beacon:shape=pile seamark:light:colour=whatever the colour of the light is seamark:light:character=whatever the flashing pattern is seamark:topmark:shape=if it has a topmark, the shape seamark:topmark:colour=if it has a topmark, the colour NB: these tags will only be rendered on OpenSeaMap (an overlay to the StreetMap). man_made=beacon would be appropriate for the StreetMap, although I don't know whether this tag is rendered. Thank you. I've used some of those, but I only saw them during daytime, so can't comment on the colour or pattern of the lights. I'd tagged what you all reefs as islands; I've now added reef as well. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
