Re: [Talk-GB] JOSM Imagery
On 30/10/2012 22:33, Dudley Ibbett wrote: Hi My version of JOSM seems to have just updated on my Fedora system and I now have NLS OS 1:25k 1st Series 1937-61 imagery. I am probably behind the times but presumably this can be used for mapping. If someone could confirm its use this would be appreciated. I appreciate its accuracy will need to be considered along with all the other data sources. Yes. In the UK, Crown copyright, under which OS maps are published, extends for 50 years. So as long as there are no maps beyond 1961, using them is fine. If it can be used it will be very helpful as it has field boundaries as well as public rights of way. There are a number of other imagery data sources that have also been added but not all seem to display. I certainly use them for both in the slow-changing Yorkshire Dales and they are also a great source of rural names. Note two things: Alignment is OK but not brilliant, due to paper stretch and the survey techniques used at the time, you will constantly have to re-align to GPS traces every couple of kilometres or less. And secondly the paths are just paths and do not signify any public right-of-way. I usually map them, (diligently using the source tag as well as access=unknown), and then go out and see if they are there. A surprisingly large proportion simply no longer exist in any form and need to be removed. Good luck! Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
Nice work Chris. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 30 October 2012 19:25 To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in GB, excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.net including using the tiles layers in Potlatch 2 JOSM. [1] http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/products/postcode- directories/-nspp-/index.html [2] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/ -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5863 - Release Date: 10/30/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] JOSM Imagery
On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 10:02 +, Philip Barnes wrote: Field boundaries will need a survey, to ensure they still exist before they are traced. Through the 70s to the 90s a lot were ripped out to create larger fields. Presumably one can do a check with Bing? (obv not as good as a survey, but gets the data in there). Henry ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
We are back on for postcode interpretation and addition to buildings again. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 30 October 2012 19:25 To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in GB, excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.net including using the tiles layers in Potlatch 2 JOSM. [1] http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/products/postcode- directories/-nspp-/index.html [2] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/ -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5863 - Release Date: 10/30/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] JOSM Imagery
On 31/10/2012 10:02, Philip Barnes wrote: Field boundaries will need a survey, to ensure they still exist before they are traced. Through the 70s to the 90s a lot were ripped out to create larger fields. Phil Phil, I agree boundaries are best surveyed many were destroyed, but think that's irrelevant to OS data. They've never been accurate. The current maps in my area show boundary data that, from personal knowledge, is a least forty years old, though I suspect even older. Cheers Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
On 30 October 2012 19:24, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in GB, excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.net including using the tiles layers in Potlatch 2 JOSM. Fantastic work Chris. This is very much appreciated. I will add it as a recommended source of postcodes for the Postcode Finder as soon as I get the chance. Speaking of which, I still need to put together my statistics tool to see how the coverage grows. -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
Can we get this data into Nominatim? Steve On 31/10/2012 11:07, Andy Robinson wrote: We are back on for postcode interpretation and addition to buildings again. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 30 October 2012 19:25 To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in GB, excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.net including using the tiles layers in Potlatch 2 JOSM. [1] http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/products/postcode- directories/-nspp-/index.html [2] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/ -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5863 - Release Date: 10/30/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
Hi Chris Great work! I can now get cracking on adding complete postcodes to addresses. Regards Brian On 30 October 2012 19:24, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in GB, excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.netincluding using the tiles layers in Potlatch 2 JOSM. [1] http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/**guide-method/geography/** products/postcode-directories/**-nspp-/index.htmlhttp://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/products/postcode-directories/-nspp-/index.html [2] http://www.nationalarchives.**gov.uk/doc/open-government-**licence/http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/ -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly __**_ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-gbhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Is that in there? -- Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Is that in there? I believe it is in Nominatim 2 yes. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/2012 11:54, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Is that in there? I believe it is in Nominatim 2 yes. Is that different to what's used on www.openstreetmap.org for the Search box? That's where I want to see accurate postcode searching. -- Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in GB, excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.net including using the tiles layers in Potlatch 2 JOSM. Brilliant! I notice you say PLEASE do not add the centroids to the OSM map database. The centroids are not real objects so they do not belong in the OSM database.. Is this not something we actually do all the time? We represent places and amenities by a node as an approximation, unless someone takes the time to enter the true extent of the object in question, which often doesn't happen. Colin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 11:58, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:54, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Is that in there? I believe it is in Nominatim 2 yes. Is that different to what's used on www.openstreetmap.org for the Search box? That's where I want to see accurate postcode searching. The search box on www.osm.org uses nominatim.osm.org which as far as I know is running Nominatim 2 and includes Codepoint Open as a data source. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
Colin, it's fine to add the postcode data to a node object (eg a poi), just don't create a node with just the postcode and nothing else as this is meaningless. The postcode data we have is not the information for individual buildings, its just the centroid of the address polygon which will contain any number of buildings (or post delivery points). Thus when using the data its still necessary to do some interpretation and it's not possible always to know that you are assigning the right postcode to the right building/delivery point because we don't know where the boundary of one postcode is against another for the same street etc. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl] Sent: 31 October 2012 12:08 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in GB, excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.net including using the tiles layers in Potlatch 2 JOSM. Brilliant! I notice you say PLEASE do not add the centroids to the OSM map database. The centroids are not real objects so they do not belong in the OSM database.. Is this not something we actually do all the time? We represent places and amenities by a node as an approximation, unless someone takes the time to enter the true extent of the object in question, which often doesn't happen. Colin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5864 - Release Date: 10/30/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
Colin, it's fine to add the postcode data to a node object (eg a poi), just don't create a node with just the postcode and nothing else as this is meaningless. The postcode data we have is not the information for individual buildings, its just the centroid of the address polygon which will contain any number of buildings (or post delivery points). Thus when using the data its still necessary to do some interpretation and it's not possible always to know that you are assigning the right postcode to the right building/delivery point because we don't know where the boundary of one postcode is against another for the same street etc. I am guessing that just having the centroid is plenty adequate for a lot of reverse geocoding probably including routing, i.e. where is XX1 3AB or take me to XX1 3AB. Obviously it won't cover questions of the form of what's the postcode for this building which will require every individual building/delivery point to be tagged. As (legal stuff permitting) importing the centroids would cover a very popular use case with (IMHO) a quality which is adequate for most people, I would not be so quick to dismiss it. Colin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
Tom Hughes wrote: Is that different to what's used on www.openstreetmap.org for the Search box? That's where I want to see accurate postcode searching. The search box on www.osm.org uses nominatim.osm.org which as far as I know is running Nominatim 2 and includes Codepoint Open as a data source. What gets a little confusing is that the results will only contain the full postcode if it's been added to an address, otherwise you may get results from several postcodes in highly populated areas. Once the data is transferred to addresses, only those addresses appear. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
Ah, but we are not in the business of adding non-physical stuff just because it makes a search work better. If we have something to add postcode data to then that's right and proper, otherwise the postcode centroid database can be off map and referenced from a separate database. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl] Sent: 31 October 2012 12:26 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data Colin, it's fine to add the postcode data to a node object (eg a poi), just don't create a node with just the postcode and nothing else as this is meaningless. The postcode data we have is not the information for individual buildings, its just the centroid of the address polygon which will contain any number of buildings (or post delivery points). Thus when using the data its still necessary to do some interpretation and it's not possible always to know that you are assigning the right postcode to the right building/delivery point because we don't know where the boundary of one postcode is against another for the same street etc. I am guessing that just having the centroid is plenty adequate for a lot of reverse geocoding probably including routing, i.e. where is XX1 3AB or take me to XX1 3AB. Obviously it won't cover questions of the form of what's the postcode for this building which will require every individual building/delivery point to be tagged. As (legal stuff permitting) importing the centroids would cover a very popular use case with (IMHO) a quality which is adequate for most people, I would not be so quick to dismiss it. Colin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5864 - Release Date: 10/30/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
CycleStreets for example use a different database for the postcodes (Code Point Open) and if any search query looks like a post code the look it up there first. Similarly for station names they look them up in their own table first before going to nominatim. Shaun On 31 Oct 2012, at 12:30, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, but we are not in the business of adding non-physical stuff just because it makes a search work better. If we have something to add postcode data to then that's right and proper, otherwise the postcode centroid database can be off map and referenced from a separate database. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl] Sent: 31 October 2012 12:26 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data Colin, it's fine to add the postcode data to a node object (eg a poi), just don't create a node with just the postcode and nothing else as this is meaningless. The postcode data we have is not the information for individual buildings, its just the centroid of the address polygon which will contain any number of buildings (or post delivery points). Thus when using the data its still necessary to do some interpretation and it's not possible always to know that you are assigning the right postcode to the right building/delivery point because we don't know where the boundary of one postcode is against another for the same street etc. I am guessing that just having the centroid is plenty adequate for a lot of reverse geocoding probably including routing, i.e. where is XX1 3AB or take me to XX1 3AB. Obviously it won't cover questions of the form of what's the postcode for this building which will require every individual building/delivery point to be tagged. As (legal stuff permitting) importing the centroids would cover a very popular use case with (IMHO) a quality which is adequate for most people, I would not be so quick to dismiss it. Colin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5864 - Release Date: 10/30/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31 October 2012 12:25, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:58, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:54, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Is that in there? I believe it is in Nominatim 2 yes. Is that different to what's used on www.openstreetmap.org for the Search box? That's where I want to see accurate postcode searching. The search box on www.osm.org uses nominatim.osm.org which as far as I know is running Nominatim 2 and includes Codepoint Open as a data source. Tom I've just tried searching osm.org for S42 7DT and the first answer is a street that is actually S42 7DY according to Chris's site. Is it perhaps just using the first S42 7## part? It does a search using the royal mail postcode but then returns only data found in OSM. It seems we might have lost the 'order by distance to the postcode' when I added the wikipedia importance code so it is now returning the 10 nearest roads in an arbitrary order. I'll try and get that fixed. I've always been concerned about merging the postcode data into the OSM output and lower lever indexing because of the uncertainty around the '© Royal Mail' part of the license. If this data is now being imported into OSM I assume I should now stop worrying about this? Or would people prefer that nominatim continues to only output true OSM data rather than a hybrid? -- Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
A town is a physical place, so is a building. Ideally we would have both drawn in as polygons but we are happy to live with nodes until they are. A postcode centroid is not a physical object, it's just a reference to something that is (to the extent that we accept a post delivery point has a physical presence). So I don't think we need to draw any line, we just need to apply the logic we have always applied and limit our node and way additions to OSM to physical objects that can be verified on the ground. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl] Sent: 31 October 2012 12:54 To: Andy Robinson Cc: 'Colin Smale'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data Ah, but we are not in the business of adding non-physical stuff just because it makes a search work better. If we have something to add postcode data to then that's right and proper, otherwise the postcode centroid database can be off map and referenced from a separate database. I don't get what makes postcode centroids different from place=* nodes. They are also non-physical insofar as you will not find a dot painted on the ground with an adjacent sign saying this dot is Townsville. If these nodes are not for making a search work better, then I don't know why they are there at all. Naturally, having a place represented by a boundary polygon would render the node redundant, but until then, the (usually manually guestimated) centroid of the place is good enough and certainly better than nothing. Or are you suggesting that the place=* nodes be put in an external DB as well? Where do we draw the line? Colin Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl] Sent: 31 October 2012 12:26 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data Colin, it's fine to add the postcode data to a node object (eg a poi), just don't create a node with just the postcode and nothing else as this is meaningless. The postcode data we have is not the information for individual buildings, its just the centroid of the address polygon which will contain any number of buildings (or post delivery points). Thus when using the data its still necessary to do some interpretation and it's not possible always to know that you are assigning the right postcode to the right building/delivery point because we don't know where the boundary of one postcode is against another for the same street etc. I am guessing that just having the centroid is plenty adequate for a lot of reverse geocoding probably including routing, i.e. where is XX1 3AB or take me to XX1 3AB. Obviously it won't cover questions of the form of what's the postcode for this building which will require every individual building/delivery point to be tagged. As (legal stuff permitting) importing the centroids would cover a very popular use case with (IMHO) a quality which is adequate for most people, I would not be so quick to dismiss it. Colin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5864 - Release Date: 10/30/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5864 - Release Date: 10/30/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
Does this set include BT (northern Ireland) , postcodes like nspd open did? If so that is one way it's better than code point open On Oct 31, 2012 11:45 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ __**_ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-gbhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign
Hi all, The pedestrianised main shopping street in Croydon has a sign with the following wording: Pedestrian Zone. No vehicles except cycles and for loading 6pm-10am. How would you interpret that? I see at least 3 possibilities: (a) Cycles permitted at any time; loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this is what I guess is the correct one) (b) Cycles and loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this would also make sense; i.e. cycling only outside shopping hours) (c) Restrictions apply 6pm-10am (clearly ludicrous!) (d) Something else? I'm guessing it's meant to be (a), but just thought I'd canvas opinion before tagging. Thanks, David. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OSM mapping parties/events in London in November
Hi All, Sorry to burst into the conversation here, but I organize the Geo DC meetupshttp://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/in Washington, DC, and I am going to be in London for vacation on Nov 4-6 and again Nov 18-19, and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize! I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. Are there any meetups or mapping parties planned, or would anyone be interested in meeting up for a drink then? One thing that I know for certain I'll be doing is heading to SoHo to check out the [site of the] Broad Street pump and the John Snow pub. No idea if the pub is any good, but John Snow is a pretty interesting character, so I'm excited to follow up some of the reading I've done recently by actually walking around the neighborhood that saw the worst of that particular cholera outbreakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outbreak . Anyway, just wanted to see if there way any interest. Cheers! Kathleen Danielson ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign
On 31 October 2012 14:37, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The pedestrianised main shopping street in Croydon has a sign with the following wording: Pedestrian Zone. No vehicles except cycles and for loading 6pm-10am. How would you interpret that? I see at least 3 possibilities: (a) Cycles permitted at any time; loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this is what I guess is the correct one) (b) Cycles and loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this would also make sense; i.e. cycling only outside shopping hours) (c) Restrictions apply 6pm-10am (clearly ludicrous!) (d) Something else? I'm guessing it's meant to be (a), but just thought I'd canvas opinion before tagging. I think I agree with (a). I would find it a little strange to disallow cycling just during the day (why not just ban it entirely?). -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM mapping parties/events in London in November
Kathleen Regular socials. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London/Winter_2012-2013_Pub_Meetup You will just miss one! Harry et al - fix one for 18/19th? PS: John Snow is a fine pub (in my view) Cheers Steve From: Kathleen Danielson [mailto:kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 October 2012 14:46 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM mapping parties/events in London in November Hi All, Sorry to burst into the conversation here, but I organize the Geo DC meetupshttp://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ in Washington, DC, and I am going to be in London for vacation on Nov 4-6 and again Nov 18-19, and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize! I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. Are there any meetups or mapping parties planned, or would anyone be interested in meeting up for a drink then? One thing that I know for certain I'll be doing is heading to SoHo to check out the [site of the] Broad Street pump and the John Snow pub. No idea if the pub is any good, but John Snow is a pretty interesting character, so I'm excited to follow up some of the reading I've done recently by actually walking around the neighborhood that saw the worst of that particular cholera outbreakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outbreak. Anyway, just wanted to see if there way any interest. Cheers! Kathleen Danielson --- Please note that Middlesex University's preferred way of receiving all correspondence is via email in line with our Environmental Policy. All incoming post to Middlesex University is opened and scanned by our digital document handler, CDS, and then emailed to the recipient. If you do not want your correspondence to Middlesex University processed in this way please email the recipient directly. Parcels, couriered items and recorded delivery items will not be opened or scanned by CDS. There are items which are exceptions which will be opened by CDS but will not be scanned a full list of these can be obtained by contacting the University. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM mapping parties/events in London in November
On 31/10/12 14:45, Kathleen Danielson wrote: Sorry to burst into the conversation here, but I organize the Geo DC meetups http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ in Washington, DC, and I am going to be in London for vacation on Nov 4-6 and again Nov 18-19, and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize! I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. We've got one tomorrow, but that's a tad too early... Hopefully Harry will chip in shortly and say when we might do the next one. Are there any meetups or mapping parties planned, or would anyone be interested in meeting up for a drink then? One thing that I know for certain I'll be doing is heading to SoHo to check out the [site of the] Broad Street pump and the John Snow pub. No idea if the pub is any good, but John Snow is a pretty interesting character, so I'm excited to follow up some of the reading I've done recently by actually walking around the neighborhood that saw the worst of that particular cholera outbreak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outbreak. The John Snow is reasonable - it's a Sam Smith's pub these days so nothing special except that the beer is cheap. We have used it once or twice for meetups, but not recently. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 13:58, Kev js1982 wrote: Does this set include BT (northern Ireland) , postcodes like nspd open did? If so that is one way it's better than code point open I have just finished processing the BT codes, so Northern Irish post codes are now available too. I haven't been able to cross check them so any comments would be helpful. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign
On 31 Oct 2012, at 14:49, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: On 31 October 2012 14:37, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The pedestrianised main shopping street in Croydon has a sign with the following wording: Pedestrian Zone. No vehicles except cycles and for loading 6pm-10am. How would you interpret that? I see at least 3 possibilities: (a) Cycles permitted at any time; loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this is what I guess is the correct one) (b) Cycles and loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this would also make sense; i.e. cycling only outside shopping hours) (c) Restrictions apply 6pm-10am (clearly ludicrous!) (d) Something else? I'm guessing it's meant to be (a), but just thought I'd canvas opinion before tagging. I think I agree with (a). I would find it a little strange to disallow cycling just during the day (why not just ban it entirely?). The centre pedestrianised bit of Ipswich has cycling banned from 10:30am - 4:30pm. It does get pretty busy during that time. http://goo.gl/maps/ouha1 Shaun ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign
Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] wrote: Sent: 31 October 2012 15:21 To: Matt Williams Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign On 31 Oct 2012, at 14:49, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: On 31 October 2012 14:37, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The pedestrianised main shopping street in Croydon has a sign with the following wording: Pedestrian Zone. No vehicles except cycles and for loading 6pm-10am. How would you interpret that? I see at least 3 possibilities: (a) Cycles permitted at any time; loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this is what I guess is the correct one) (b) Cycles and loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this would also make sense; i.e. cycling only outside shopping hours) (c) Restrictions apply 6pm-10am (clearly ludicrous!) (d) Something else? I'm guessing it's meant to be (a), but just thought I'd canvas opinion before tagging. I think I agree with (a). I would find it a little strange to disallow cycling just during the day (why not just ban it entirely?). The centre pedestrianised bit of Ipswich has cycling banned from 10:30am - 4:30pm. It does get pretty busy during that time. http://goo.gl/maps/ouha1 I'm not sure that's correct? Is it not just banning cyclists from cycling against the traffic flow during this period? The sign at the other end suggests its open to cyclists at all times in the direction of normal flow. http://goo.gl/eYcsG Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign
Opps, looks like I gave the wrong link http://goo.gl/maps/SM2y9 Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 October 2012 15:30 To: 'Shaun McDonald'; 'Matt Williams' Cc: 'Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org' Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] wrote: Sent: 31 October 2012 15:21 To: Matt Williams Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign On 31 Oct 2012, at 14:49, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: On 31 October 2012 14:37, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The pedestrianised main shopping street in Croydon has a sign with the following wording: Pedestrian Zone. No vehicles except cycles and for loading 6pm-10am. How would you interpret that? I see at least 3 possibilities: (a) Cycles permitted at any time; loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this is what I guess is the correct one) (b) Cycles and loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this would also make sense; i.e. cycling only outside shopping hours) (c) Restrictions apply 6pm-10am (clearly ludicrous!) (d) Something else? I'm guessing it's meant to be (a), but just thought I'd canvas opinion before tagging. I think I agree with (a). I would find it a little strange to disallow cycling just during the day (why not just ban it entirely?). The centre pedestrianised bit of Ipswich has cycling banned from 10:30am - 4:30pm. It does get pretty busy during that time. http://goo.gl/maps/ouha1 I'm not sure that's correct? Is it not just banning cyclists from cycling against the traffic flow during this period? The sign at the other end suggests its open to cyclists at all times in the direction of normal flow. http://goo.gl/eYcsG Cheers Andy - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5864 - Release Date: 10/30/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign
On 31 Oct 2012, at 15:29, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] wrote: Sent: 31 October 2012 15:21 To: Matt Williams Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign On 31 Oct 2012, at 14:49, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: On 31 October 2012 14:37, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The pedestrianised main shopping street in Croydon has a sign with the following wording: Pedestrian Zone. No vehicles except cycles and for loading 6pm-10am. How would you interpret that? I see at least 3 possibilities: (a) Cycles permitted at any time; loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this is what I guess is the correct one) (b) Cycles and loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this would also make sense; i.e. cycling only outside shopping hours) (c) Restrictions apply 6pm-10am (clearly ludicrous!) (d) Something else? I'm guessing it's meant to be (a), but just thought I'd canvas opinion before tagging. I think I agree with (a). I would find it a little strange to disallow cycling just during the day (why not just ban it entirely?). The centre pedestrianised bit of Ipswich has cycling banned from 10:30am - 4:30pm. It does get pretty busy during that time. http://goo.gl/maps/ouha1 I'm not sure that's correct? Is it not just banning cyclists from cycling against the traffic flow during this period? The sign at the other end suggests its open to cyclists at all times in the direction of normal flow. http://goo.gl/eYcsG That's a different road which is two way cycling all the time. The example I gave is for a pedestrian street, that effectively becomes a service road overnight and early morning when it's full of delivery vans for the shops. Shaun ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM mapping parties/events in London in November
If you are in other parts of the UK between those days you may find other areas with social meetings too. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 31/10/2012 15:04 Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 14:45, Kathleen Danielson wrote: Sorry to burst into the conversation here, but I organize the Geo DC meetups http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ in Washington, DC, and I am going to be in London for vacation on Nov 4-6 and again Nov 18-19, and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize! I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. We've got one tomorrow, but that's a tad too early... Hopefully Harry will chip in shortly and say when we might do the next one. Are there any meetups or mapping parties planned, or would anyone be interested in meeting up for a drink then? One thing that I know for certain I'll be doing is heading to SoHo to check out the [site of the] Broad Street pump and the John Snow pub. No idea if the pub is any good, but John Snow is a pretty interesting character, so I'm excited to follow up some of the reading I've done recently by actually walking around the neighborhood that saw the worst of that particular cholera outbreak http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/. The John Snow is reasonable - it's a Sam Smith's pub these days so nothing special except that the beer is cheap. We have used it once or twice for meetups, but not recently. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list t...@compton.nu http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign
On 31/10/2012 15:29, Andy Robinson wrote: Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] wrote: Sent: 31 October 2012 15:21 To: Matt Williams Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign On 31 Oct 2012, at 14:49, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: On 31 October 2012 14:37, David Fisher djfishe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The pedestrianised main shopping street in Croydon has a sign with the following wording: Pedestrian Zone. No vehicles except cycles and for loading 6pm-10am. How would you interpret that? I see at least 3 possibilities: (a) Cycles permitted at any time; loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this is what I guess is the correct one) (b) Cycles and loading only permitted 6pm-10am (this would also make sense; i.e. cycling only outside shopping hours) (c) Restrictions apply 6pm-10am (clearly ludicrous!) (d) Something else? I'm guessing it's meant to be (a), but just thought I'd canvas opinion before tagging. I think I agree with (a). I would find it a little strange to disallow cycling just during the day (why not just ban it entirely?). The centre pedestrianised bit of Ipswich has cycling banned from 10:30am - 4:30pm. It does get pretty busy during that time. http://goo.gl/maps/ouha1 I'm not sure that's correct? Is it not just banning cyclists from cycling against the traffic flow during this period? The sign at the other end suggests its open to cyclists at all times in the direction of normal flow. (from your corrected link http://goo.gl/maps/SM2y9 ) The key thing here is the sign it is underneath. The reference to cyclists in the text is superfluous (and presumably not authorised by the DfT) because the 'low flying motorbike' sign means no MOTOR vehicles, and a bike isn't a motor vehicle. That's not just pedantry: there is a separate sign for banning ALL vehicles, a simple red roundel with nothing inside it. There is no restriction on bikes at any time according to that sign. Their traffic engineer needs sending back to sign school. David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM mapping parties/events in London in November
Kathleen Language really not likely to be a barrier where you are going! PS: should have said - a really good book on the whole Snow/cholera thing is: http://www.theghostmap.com/ Cheers Steve From: Kathleen Danielson [mailto:kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 October 2012 15:53 To: Philip Barnes Cc: OSM Talk GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM mapping parties/events in London in November Nope-- between those days I'll actually be in Amsterdam, Brussels, Bruges, and Paris. (Steeling myself to touch base with those groups for the same reason, but I'm sheepish about the language barrier.) On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.ukmailto:p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: If you are in other parts of the UK between those days you may find other areas with social meetings too. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 31/10/2012 15:04 Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 14:45, Kathleen Danielson wrote: Sorry to burst into the conversation here, but I organize the Geo DC meetups http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ in Washington, DC, and I am going to be in London for vacation on Nov 4-6 and again Nov 18-19, and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize! I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. We've got one tomorrow, but that's a tad too early... Hopefully Harry will chip in shortly and say when we might do the next one. Are there any meetups or mapping parties planned, or would anyone be interested in meeting up for a drink then? One thing that I know for certain I'll be doing is heading to SoHo to check out the [site of the] Broad Street pump and the John Snow pub. No idea if the pub is any good, but John Snow is a pretty interesting character, so I'm excited to follow up some of the reading I've done recently by actually walking around the neighborhood that saw the worst of that particular cholera outbreak http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/. The John Snow is reasonable - it's a Sam Smith's pub these days so nothing special except that the beer is cheap. We have used it once or twice for meetups, but not recently. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.numailto:t...@compton.nu) http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list t...@compton.numailto:t...@compton.nu http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.orgmailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb --- Please note that Middlesex University's preferred way of receiving all correspondence is via email in line with our Environmental Policy. All incoming post to Middlesex University is opened and scanned by our digital document handler, CDS, and then emailed to the recipient. If you do not want your correspondence to Middlesex University processed in this way please email the recipient directly. Parcels, couriered items and recorded delivery items will not be opened or scanned by CDS. There are items which are exceptions which will be opened by CDS but will not be scanned a full list of these can be obtained by contacting the University. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM mapping parties/events in London in November
Hi Steve-- I think you're probably right. I mostly just wish my own language skills were better! Thanks for that link as well-- I actually just read that book, but hadn't know about the website! As someone who has studied a bit of geography, public health, and urban planning, I've always been fascinated by John Snow! Thanks, everyone, for all of your advice and encouragement! Hope I'm able to meet up with some of you while I'm in town! Cheers, Kathleen On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Steve Chilton s.l.chil...@mdx.ac.ukwrote: Kathleen ** ** Language really not likely to be a barrier where you are going! ** ** PS: should have said – a really good book on the whole Snow/cholera thing is: http://www.theghostmap.com/ ** ** Cheers Steve ** ** *From:* Kathleen Danielson [mailto:kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 31 October 2012 15:53 *To:* Philip Barnes *Cc:* OSM Talk GB *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] OSM mapping parties/events in London in November* *** ** ** Nope-- between those days I'll actually be in Amsterdam, Brussels, Bruges, and Paris. (Steeling myself to touch base with those groups for the same reason, but I'm sheepish about the language barrier.) On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: If you are in other parts of the UK between those days you may find other areas with social meetings too. ** ** Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 ** ** On 31/10/2012 15:04 Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 14:45, Kathleen Danielson wrote: Sorry to burst into the conversation here, but I organize the Geo DC meetups http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ in Washington, DC, and I am going to be in London for vacation on Nov 4-6 and again Nov 18-19, and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize! I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. We've got one tomorrow, but that's a tad too early... Hopefully Harry will chip in shortly and say when we might do the next one. Are there any meetups or mapping parties planned, or would anyone be interested in meeting up for a drink then? One thing that I know for certain I'll be doing is heading to SoHo to check out the [site of the] Broad Street pump and the John Snow pub. No idea if the pub is any good, but John Snow is a pretty interesting character, so I'm excited to follow up some of the reading I've done recently by actually walking around the neighborhood that saw the worst of that particular cholera*** * outbreak http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/. The John Snow is reasonable - it's a Sam Smith's pub these days so nothing special except that the beer is cheap. We have used it once or twice for meetups, but not recently. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list t...@compton.nu http://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ ** ** ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ** ** * ---* *Please note that Middlesex University's preferred way of receiving all correspondence is via email in line with our Environmental Policy. All incoming post to Middlesex University is opened and scanned by our digital document handler, CDS, and then emailed to the recipient. If you do not want your correspondence to Middlesex University processed in this way please email the recipient directly. Parcels, couriered items and recorded delivery items will not be opened or scanned by CDS. There are items which are exceptions which will be opened by CDS but will not be scanned a full list of these can be obtained by contacting the University. * ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31 October 2012 14:50, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: I think this is quite a confusing approach. Post code searches often end up returning the wrong street that is also near the centroid, houses that don't belong to that post code that happen to be nearby, and also weird objects like trees and car club parking bays. +1 on that. When I search for my own postcode, as well as the buildings actually tagged with it the pub car park next door is also returned and a nearby unclassified road neither of which have a postcode set. I think in a postcode search it would be better not to return things that could never have a postcode. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31 October 2012 16:59, Kevin Peat k...@k3v.eu wrote: On 31 October 2012 14:50, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: I think this is quite a confusing approach. Post code searches often end up returning the wrong street that is also near the centroid, houses that don't belong to that post code that happen to be nearby, and also weird objects like trees and car club parking bays. +1 on that. When I search for my own postcode, as well as the buildings actually tagged with it the pub car park next door is also returned and a nearby unclassified road neither of which have a postcode set. I think in a postcode search it would be better not to return things that could never have a postcode. Making this sort of distinction (what can have a postcode) is incredibly difficult - for instance NCP carparks do have a postcode. -- Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On Oct 31, 2012 6:14 PM, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: On 31 October 2012 16:59, Kevin Peat k...@k3v.eu wrote: On 31 October 2012 14:50, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: I think this is quite a confusing approach. Post code searches often end up returning the wrong street that is also near the centroid, houses that don't belong to that post code that happen to be nearby, and also weird objects like trees and car club parking bays. +1 on that. When I search for my own postcode, as well as the buildings actually tagged with it the pub car park next door is also returned and a nearby unclassified road neither of which have a postcode set. I think in a postcode search it would be better not to return things that could never have a postcode. Making this sort of distinction (what can have a postcode) is incredibly difficult - for instance NCP carparks do have a postcode. The easiest solution is to let mappers explicitly tag postcodes, and not infer they are associated with objects based on proximity to a centroid. Tom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 13:58, Kev js1982 wrote: Does this set include BT (northern Ireland) , postcodes like nspd open did? If so that is one way it's better than code point open I have just finished processing the BT codes, so Northern Irish post codes are now available too. I haven't been able to cross check them so any comments would be helpful. The BT codes for Northern Ireland aren't under an unmodified OpenGovernmentLicence (look at the ONS website for details) - they're non-free for commercial use. We should remove those from OSM. Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 18:37, Richard Bullock wrote: On 31/10/12 13:58, Kev js1982 wrote: Does this set include BT (northern Ireland) , postcodes like nspd open did? If so that is one way it's better than code point open I have just finished processing the BT codes, so Northern Irish post codes are now available too. I haven't been able to cross check them so any comments would be helpful. The BT codes for Northern Ireland aren't under an unmodified OpenGovernmentLicence (look at the ONS website for details) - they're non-free for commercial use. We should remove those from OSM. Sadly, I just noticed that too. I'll remove the data from my tiles. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On another track it would be good if ITOworld could add to their buildings section a postcode map showing red = no postcode, yellow=first section only e.g B27, and green= complete postcode e.g B27 7XP. This would help in identifying where to add postcodes Regards Brian On 31 October 2012 18:55, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: On 31/10/12 18:37, Richard Bullock wrote: On 31/10/12 13:58, Kev js1982 wrote: Does this set include BT (northern Ireland) , postcodes like nspd open did? If so that is one way it's better than code point open I have just finished processing the BT codes, so Northern Irish post codes are now available too. I haven't been able to cross check them so any comments would be helpful. The BT codes for Northern Ireland aren't under an unmodified OpenGovernmentLicence (look at the ONS website for details) - they're non-free for commercial use. We should remove those from OSM. Sadly, I just noticed that too. I'll remove the data from my tiles. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly __**_ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-gbhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
