Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering kissing gates in OSM

[Dave F]

The loss of colour on tertiary roads is one area where the style has become 
less friendly in rural areas.


Indeed.
The fading of paths (even those with surface tag) makes it difficult to 
view without zooming right in, is no better


DaveF

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[Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

It doesn't seem to have been mentioned here yet, but this quarter's UK
mapping project is to improve addresses and postcodes:
https://osmuk.org/uncategorized/jump-in-to-our-quarterly-mapping-project/

I've had a go at starting a wiki page for it at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2017_Q4_Project:_Addresses_and_Postcodes
which will hopefully contain some useful information. I'd encourage
others to help improve it further.

To coincide with the launch of the project I've also done a bit of
development on my previous postcode analysis tools at
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postcodes/ . You can now see stats of
how many postcodes are mapped in each area, district and sector, as
well as viewing potential errors (postcodes not found in Code-Point
Open, or that are a long way from their centroid) to check/fix.

As well as just generally increasing the number of addresses and
postcodes in OSM, a couple of possible goals for the quarter would be
to ensure we've map at least one postcode in each sector (only 615 to
go), and to reduce the number of sectors with less than 5% of units
present in OSM (currently 5562).

I'd also like to draw your attention to the OSM/FHRS comparison
excellent tool at http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/ which is a
great source of addresses/postcodes of food outlets to add in areas
where some amenities are mapped but not individual houses.

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering kissing gates in OSM

[Dave F]

On 10/10/2017 09:30, Bob Hawkins wrote:
I wonder why kissing gates are not rendered in OpenStreetMap – 
certainly in the Standard version?  Their installation in place of 
stiles in my part of South Oxfordshire is increasing apace thanks to 
the work of the Chiltern Society.  Are they a particularly GB or UK 
phenomenon and, as such, not considered to be of sufficient importance 
to act upon?  Can a case be made?


It certainly can, but as you can see it's slow moving:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/846

DaveF


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Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering kissing gates in OSM

[Philip Barnes]

On 10 October 2017 09:30:38 BST, Bob Hawkins  wrote:
>I wonder why kissing gates are not rendered in OpenStreetMap –
>certainly in the Standard version?  Their installation in place of
>stiles in my part of South Oxfordshire is increasing apace thanks to
>the work of the Chiltern Society.  Are they a particularly GB or UK
>phenomenon and, as such, not considered to be of sufficient importance
>to act upon?  Can a case be made?
>
I would go further and say they are probably an England and Wales concept based 
on that even in Scotland rights of way law is different. The same goes for 
stiles.

Andy's map does render them and is the best solution for countryside mapping. 

I think getting things like stiles and kissing gates into the standard style 
would be infinitely improbable. The style does seem to be urban centric. The 
loss of colour on tertiary roads is one area where the style has become less 
friendly in rural areas. 

Phil (trigpoint) 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Barriers and PRoWs

[Bob Hawkins]

Andy
I thank you for your prompt reply; that is useful to know and I shall bookmark 
your link.  It is pleasing to see my PRoW references being put to good use 
alongside the ways, too.

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[Talk-GB] Rendering kissing gates in OSM

[Bob Hawkins]

I wonder why kissing gates are not rendered in OpenStreetMap – certainly in the 
Standard version?  Their installation in place of stiles in my part of South 
Oxfordshire is increasing apace thanks to the work of the Chiltern Society.  
Are they a particularly GB or UK phenomenon and, as such, not considered to be 
of sufficient importance to act upon?  Can a case be made?

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[Talk-GB] Barriers and PRoWs

[Bob Hawkins]

I record all barriers - gate, kissing gate and stile - as I walk every PRoW 
(Public Right of Way) in the Oxfordshire Chilterns parish by parish.  I add 
them and prow_ref values in the form of "Checkendonh FP 12", for example, to 
OSM.  I discovered three cases on my walk in Ipsden last week where stiles had 
been replaced by kissing gates.  There are two large caveats regarding OSM, of 
course: 1. the completeness, or otherwise, of such information and 2. the 
currency of the information.  I have been labouring with how to improve this 
situation.  These are my thoughts: I wish to link the barrier node to the PRoW 
way on which it is situated.  My ability to construct queries in Overpass Turbo 
is extremely limited and to the Wizard only.  I can query barrier=stile, for 
example, but am at a loss when it comes to operators such as 'and'.  I should 
be most grateful for assistance in achieving the following:
1. to identify PRoWs having stiles, say
2. to invert and obtain PRoWs not having stiles
3. to obtain such results for an individual civil parish, either by selecting 
those ways within an admin level 10 boundary named "Checkendon", say, or 
selecting those PRoWs whose prow_ref value contains "Checkendon"
4. to be able to export such results to a tabular form
How much is achievable in Overpass Turbo, or what is required in addition?
Please note: I use JOSM always as my editor.
Information like this would allow me to know where to concentrate my checks.  
Chiltern Society representatives lead me to understand such information would 
be useful for its own purposes and I should be pleased to do all I can to help.

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[Talk-GB] Barriers and PRoWs

[Bob Hawkins]

I record all barriers - gate, kissing gate and stile - as I walk every PRoW 
(Public Right of Way) in the Oxfordshire Chilterns parish by parish.  I add 
them and prow_ref values in the form of "Checkendonh FP 12", for example, to 
OSM.  I discovered three cases on my walk in Ipsden last week where stiles had 
been replaced by kissing gates.  There are two large caveats regarding OSM, of 
course: 1. the completeness, or otherwise, of such information and 2. the 
currency of the information.  I have been labouring with how to improve this 
situation.  These are my thoughts: I wish to link the barrier node to the PRoW 
way on which it is situated.  My ability to construct queries in Overpass Turbo 
is extremely limited and to the Wizard only.  I can query barrier=stile, for 
example, but am at a loss when it comes to operators such as 'and'.  I should 
be most grateful for assistance in achieving the following:
1. to identify PRoWs having stiles, say
2. to invert and obtain PRoWs not having stiles
3. to obtain such results for an individual civil parish, either by selecting 
those ways within an admin level 10 boundary named "Checkendon", say, or 
selecting those PRoWs whose prow_ref value contains "Checkendon"
4. to be able to export such results to a tabular form
How much is achievable in Overpass Turbo, or what is required in addition?
Please note: I use JOSM always as my editor.
Information like this would allow me to know where to concentrate my checks.  
Chiltern Society representatives lead me to understand such information would 
be useful for its own purposes and I should be pleased to do all I can to help.

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