Re: [Talk-GB] City centre landuse tagging

2020-05-01 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
There's landuse = mixed, but that feels like a cop out - there's no truly
mixed landuse within the planning system, it's always segregated vertically
typically with flats above offices above retail.

Overlapping land use polygons seems to work fine in practice - many towns
and villages have a larger residential poly and then a smaller overlapping
retail poly along the High Street or parade.

My feeling is that people tend to map landuse to fill in gaps on the map,
and since cities have been pretty busy from the start there's not been much
impetus to paint them. If you want to sort that out then I'd draw landuse
on the scale of a city block, with overlaps and level tags.

On Fri, 1 May 2020, 12:38 Warin, <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/5/20 9:22 pm, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Meant to include this in my other post, but...I'm noticing that several
> cities in the UK (Bristol, Bath and Chester are good examples) don't seem
> to tag the city centre area with an appropriate landuse tag (presumably
> retail, commercial or residential).
>
>
> OSM does not (yet) have a way of tagging multiple landuses in the one
> place.
>
> If OSM did have multiple landuses in the one place, how would you render
> it?
>
>
>
> This is something I've missed over the years... but what is the common
> practice for tagging city centre areas? Presumably the above three landuses
> are not used because city centres are typically a mixrure of all three.
>
> What I'm trying to achieve is a 'built-up-area' rendering which covers the
> whole of the built up area of a town or city. Not looking for
> administrative boundaries - but the actual physically built-up area.
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] City centre landuse tagging

2020-05-01 Thread Warin

On 1/5/20 9:22 pm, Nick Whitelegg wrote:

Hi,

Meant to include this in my other post, but...I'm noticing that 
several cities in the UK (Bristol, Bath and Chester are good examples) 
don't seem to tag the city centre area with an appropriate landuse tag 
(presumably retail, commercial or residential).



OSM does not (yet) have a way of tagging multiple landuses in the one place.


If OSM did have multiple landuses in the one place, how would you render it?




This is something I've missed over the years... but what is the common 
practice for tagging city centre areas? Presumably the above three 
landuses are not used because city centres are typically a mixrure of 
all three.


What I'm trying to achieve is a 'built-up-area' rendering which covers 
the whole of the built up area of a town or city. Not looking for 
administrative boundaries - but the actual physically built-up area.


Thanks,
Nick



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[Talk-GB] City centre landuse tagging

2020-05-01 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hi,

Meant to include this in my other post, but...I'm noticing that several cities 
in the UK (Bristol, Bath and Chester are good examples) don't seem to tag the 
city centre area with an appropriate landuse tag (presumably retail, commercial 
or residential).

This is something I've missed over the years... but what is the common practice 
for tagging city centre areas? Presumably the above three landuses are not used 
because city centres are typically a mixrure of all three.

What I'm trying to achieve is a 'built-up-area' rendering which covers the 
whole of the built up area of a town or city. Not looking for administrative 
boundaries - but the actual physically built-up area.

Thanks,
Nick


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[Talk-GB] New, hopefully improved Freemap

2020-05-01 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hi,

As you may now I was strongly considering closing down my Freemap (OSM site 
focusing on rights of way in England and Wales) site after years without having 
the time to update it.

However I did get one or two requests to keep it going, and I have found that 
with the situation of the last couple of months I've had a lot of time on my 
hands and have finally had the time to address many of its long-standing issues.

Consequently a hopefully improved version is now available, both at the 
original domain (free-map.org.uk) and also freemap.org.uk (no hyphen).

The main issues I've addressed have been:

  *   fixing multipolygon relations. This was actually trivial; with the 
toolchain I'm using (osmosis-osm2pgsql-postgis-own custom tileserver-kothic.js) 
it appears to 'just work'
  *   a wider range of rendering, in particular, urban landuse is shown as well 
as military areas, beaches, wetlands and scree.
  *   fixing some annoying tile boundary artefacts. The latest version of 
kothic.js appears to have fixed these.

What has helped a lot also, is moving it to a Hetzner machine with 16GB memory, 
16 times as much as my original server, and much more disc space, sharing the 
API and DB with my other projects (Hikar, OpenTrailView and MapThePaths). 
Trying to keep the site going on a 1GB VM was a nightmare at times.

The main other change though is that it is just a rendering rather than a 
full-blown application. I am intending to focus on the rendering; the other 
features such as walking-route sharing did not attract as much interest as I 
had hoped and consequently remain withdrawn.

Any suggestions for rendering improvements are welcome!

Thanks,
Nick

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