Re: [Talk-GB] Proposal: Import EV charging point data
Plausible deniability is not the reason. Either (1) it is clear that we can do that without copyright and copyright like issues and then we can freely ignore whatever data provider likes it or not (2) it is not ok to do this in OSM Reason for not creating such notes automatically is for example fact that notes are not supposed to be created automatically - we have different tools for that such as JOSM validator, StreetComplete and Osmose. Last one is already including some suggestions like that. 18 Aug 2020, 15:18 by me-osm-talk...@keepawayfromfire.co.uk: > On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 12:18 +0100, Steven Hirschorn wrote: > >> Are we allowed to put the points on a non-OSM map to ask local >> mappers to survey? >> > > Legally I think it's a bit ambiguous, but current practice is to do > exactly that. See tools like [1] where most of the data isn't > compatible with the ODbL but they are overlaid for local mappers to > survey and add them selves [2]. At a certain point it may be easier to > "import to notes", but the current way at least has plausible > deniability if any data provider was upset that there dataset was used > to inform surveys. > > > Cj > > [1] https://osm.mathmos.net/defib/ > [2] https://osm.mathmos.net/defib/progress/NE/ > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Eat out to help out data
On 20/08/2020 12:28, Andy Townsend wrote: Perhaps "opening_hours:covid19=open"? Even that's a bit tricky - if an establishment is registered with the scheme I guess it doesn't guarantee that it is _currently_ open. This is (IMHO) part of a bigger problem that opening times are changing more quickly than we can map. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Eat out to help out data
> Too transient/inaccurate for me, personally. Even my local LA can't > publish an accurate list. Seeing that the list gets changed almost every day leads me to believe they have the same problem. Also 440+ entries are duplicates so no, a correct list right from the start seems to be too much to ask ;-) > Anyway, I'm too busy mapping garden fences in the hope of upsetting > sensibilities. Noble cause, keep going :-D ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Eat out to help out data
Too transient/inaccurate for me, personally. Even my local LA can't publish an accurate list. Anyway, I'm too busy mapping garden fences in the hope of upsetting sensibilities. DaveF On 19/08/2020 21:10, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi all, Anyone considered using the Eat out to Help out data that HMRC have published to aid with mapping efforts? https://github.com/hmrc/eat-out-to-help-out-establishments Prior to this, there was a scraper that collated the data: https://github.com/svenlatham/eatout-scraper Thank you, *Rob* ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Eat out to help out data
On 20/08/2020 09:38, Ken Kilfedder wrote: What data are available in the EOHO set that we don't get from the FHRS? Perhaps "opening_hours:covid19=open"? Even that's a bit tricky - if an establishment is registered with the scheme I guess it doesn't guarantee that it is _currently_ open. Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Eat out to help out data
> Not all of these data are top notch. A couple of examples I've come across - > some outlets are listed by their company name, or the company name of the > franchisee, not the brand that appears above the door. For example Costa > Coffee outlets appear (at least in some places) as 'Scoffs Essex ltd'. Yeah, I've (the someone™) fiddled around with the data EOHO has, and the data quality is questionable at best. > What data are available in the EOHO set that we don't get from the FHRS? This is now a relatively recent list of establishments that are in business. So, if the FHRS rating is say, from 2017, the information could be out-of-date - but there's no way of knowing without a survey. Anyway, I was aming for matching the data against fhrs:id because that is the only really unique thing that could be associated with EOHO and OSM. Or am I missing something? K > > --- > https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain > spiregrain_...@ksglp.org.uk > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, at 10:17 PM, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: > > Hey Rob, > > > > if they made up their mind about the license > > (https://github.com/hmrc/eat-out-to-help-out-establishments/issues/3 - > > Apache 2.0 is software, not data) the ~100 entries with wrong postcode > > data > > (https://github.com/hmrc/eat-out-to-help-out-establishments/issues/18) > > out of 62k entries would be ok. > > > > But yeah, it would be great to have some very recent establishment data. > > > > Grouping the Postcodes, there are > > 38,563 unique postcodes (62.1 % of entries) > >6,326 pcs occur twice (20.1 %) > >1,800 pcs occur thrice (8.7 %) > > 611 four times(3.9 %) > > 214 five times(1.7 %) > > ... > > checking those data against the FHRS-OpenData would be relatively easy > > and very quick to implement and would allow for 96.5% of the entries to > > be checked. Once one has the FHRS data finding an appropriate OSM > > object becomes easier. > > > > Someone™ would have to do the coding and once licensing and usage are > > clear, the data could be used :-) > > > > Kai > > > > On 19.08.2020 22:10, Rob Nickerson wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Anyone considered using the Eat out to Help out data that HMRC have > > > published to aid with mapping efforts? > > > > > > https://github.com/hmrc/eat-out-to-help-out-establishments > > > > > > Prior to this, there was a scraper that collated the data: > > > https://github.com/svenlatham/eatout-scraper > > > > > > Thank you, > > > *Rob* > > > > > > ___ > > > Talk-GB mailing list > > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-GB mailing list > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Eat out to help out data
Not all of these data are top notch. A couple of examples I've come across - some outlets are listed by their company name, or the company name of the franchisee, not the brand that appears above the door. For example Costa Coffee outlets appear (at least in some places) as 'Scoffs Essex ltd'. Also, it seems that some office buildings appear with no obvious food outlet inside. What data are available in the EOHO set that we don't get from the FHRS? --- https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain spiregrain_...@ksglp.org.uk On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, at 10:17 PM, Kai Michael Poppe - OSM wrote: > Hey Rob, > > if they made up their mind about the license > (https://github.com/hmrc/eat-out-to-help-out-establishments/issues/3 - > Apache 2.0 is software, not data) the ~100 entries with wrong postcode > data > (https://github.com/hmrc/eat-out-to-help-out-establishments/issues/18) > out of 62k entries would be ok. > > But yeah, it would be great to have some very recent establishment data. > > Grouping the Postcodes, there are > 38,563 unique postcodes (62.1 % of entries) >6,326 pcs occur twice (20.1 %) >1,800 pcs occur thrice (8.7 %) > 611 four times(3.9 %) > 214 five times(1.7 %) > ... > checking those data against the FHRS-OpenData would be relatively easy > and very quick to implement and would allow for 96.5% of the entries to > be checked. Once one has the FHRS data finding an appropriate OSM > object becomes easier. > > Someone™ would have to do the coding and once licensing and usage are > clear, the data could be used :-) > > Kai > > On 19.08.2020 22:10, Rob Nickerson wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Anyone considered using the Eat out to Help out data that HMRC have > > published to aid with mapping efforts? > > > > https://github.com/hmrc/eat-out-to-help-out-establishments > > > > Prior to this, there was a scraper that collated the data: > > https://github.com/svenlatham/eatout-scraper > > > > Thank you, > > *Rob* > > > > ___ > > Talk-GB mailing list > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
