Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google
On 05/10/2016 11:56, Dave F wrote: On 04/10/2016 21:03, Andy Townsend wrote: ...the user gets to place the new poi by moving the underlying osm map around to place it accurately Oh, if only that were to happen in reality. Generally speaking, the MAPS.ME problems that I see are associated with misnaming, misidentification, and misunderstanding that they're updating a public map; not so much with misplacement. Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google
On 04/10/2016 21:03, Andy Townsend wrote: ...the user gets to place the new poi by moving the underlying osm map around to place it accurately Oh, if only that were to happen in reality. Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google
"Android is a mobile operating system developed by Google," https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system) Dave F. On 04/10/2016 20:49, ael wrote: I have just found a local cafe added to OSM by "MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google", at least that was the "created by" tag. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41346334#map=19/51.78621/-1.48443 The mention of Google suggested that Google maps might have been used, although I suspect it just means that the App is available on the Google store. A quick skim of the website http://maps.me/en/home didn't seem to throw any light on this. I have sent a message to the mapper asking if he/she was sure that the information was copyright free/original and haven't had a reply as yet. Is anyone familiar with this App and whether the mapping is legitimate? The user has not uploaded any gps traces which may or may not be relevant. I have my own gps Waypoint for the cafe (I was about to add the fhrs:id) so I can remap it the current version is illegitimate. ael ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google
On 04/10/16 22:35, Andy Townsend wrote: For completeness, what you get with Apple (at least up to 9.3) is essentially what you ask for. You specify the use case, so if you ask for "real time location tracking" that's what you get. I'm glad someone understood. I got two off list messages pointing out that the map overlays were OSM. That is not relevant. My point is about contamination of the latitudes and longitudes as the result of using high level location services. In particular, on the Apple, if you did have snap to roads on and took GPX trace, you would get a tracing of Apple's map of road, even though you never saw that map on the screen. My concern in this case was that the use of Google Play services may result in being unable to control the location services used and getting its best effort location for an end user, not a pure GPS location. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google
For completeness, what you get with Apple (at least up to 9.3) is essentially what you ask for. You specify the use case, so if you ask for "real time location tracking" that's what you get. There are "snap to road" options, but if you don't ask for that when setting up the sort of locations you want returned, it won't do it. Original Message From: David Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 21:44 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google On 04/10/16 21:03, Andy Townsend wrote: > obtained as I understand it in recent versions via Google Play Services*. > Whether that's compatible with OSM You would need to disable the use of wifi SSIDs (and cell site locations) to make it legitimate. That assumes it doesn't snap to Google maps roads, a problem with Apple, I believe. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google
On 04/10/16 21:03, Andy Townsend wrote: obtained as I understand it in recent versions via Google Play Services*. Whether that's compatible with OSM You would need to disable the use of wifi SSIDs (and cell site locations) to make it legitimate. That assumes it doesn't snap to Google maps roads, a problem with Apple, I believe. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google
As I understand it, MAPS.ME locations are taken from the phone's location. The "Google" in the created_by tag just means the Android version of MAPS.ME. The actual location comes from the phone - obtained as I understand it in recent versions via Google Play Services*. Whether that's compatible with OSM or not is a whole other kettle of fish (but if if not, the problem is much bigger than MAPS.ME, or even Android). * and even after the "user's current location" has been obtained, the user gets to place the new poi by moving the underlying osm map around to place it accurately - so even less of a potential issue. Original Message From: ael Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2016 20:51 To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google I have just found a local cafe added to OSM by "MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google", at least that was the "created by" tag. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41346334#map=19/51.78621/-1.48443 The mention of Google suggested that Google maps might have been used, although I suspect it just means that the App is available on the Google store. A quick skim of the website http://maps.me/en/home didn't seem to throw any light on this. I have sent a message to the mapper asking if he/she was sure that the information was copyright free/original and haven't had a reply as yet. Is anyone familiar with this App and whether the mapping is legitimate? The user has not uploaded any gps traces which may or may not be relevant. I have my own gps Waypoint for the cafe (I was about to add the fhrs:id) so I can remap it the current version is illegitimate. ael ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google
Maps.me is fine, as you suspect the google just means the app is from the play store, they were at SOTM. Phil (trigpoint) On Tue Oct 4 20:53:58 2016 GMT+0100, ael wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:49:32PM +0100, ael wrote: > > I have just found a local cafe added to OSM by "MAPS.ME android > > 6.2.5-Google", > > at least that was the "created by" tag. > > I think that I may now have answered my own question. Digging into the > Knowledge base on the app website, it does look as if the data does > come from the user so should be legitimate. > > ael > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > -- Sent from my Jolla ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google
I have just found a local cafe added to OSM by "MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google", at least that was the "created by" tag. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41346334#map=19/51.78621/-1.48443 The mention of Google suggested that Google maps might have been used, although I suspect it just means that the App is available on the Google store. A quick skim of the website http://maps.me/en/home didn't seem to throw any light on this. I have sent a message to the mapper asking if he/she was sure that the information was copyright free/original and haven't had a reply as yet. Is anyone familiar with this App and whether the mapping is legitimate? The user has not uploaded any gps traces which may or may not be relevant. I have my own gps Waypoint for the cafe (I was about to add the fhrs:id) so I can remap it the current version is illegitimate. ael ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright and MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google
On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:49:32PM +0100, ael wrote: > I have just found a local cafe added to OSM by "MAPS.ME android 6.2.5-Google", > at least that was the "created by" tag. I think that I may now have answered my own question. Digging into the Knowledge base on the app website, it does look as if the data does come from the user so should be legitimate. ael ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
