Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-31 Thread ael
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 01:12:24PM +0100, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > > Trades will occasionally have small items delivered, especially if > specialized or in an emergency.  A foreman I know had his kid's Christmas > present sent to site to keep the surprise. > > Please provide an OSM link to

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-31 Thread ael
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 04:20:31PM +0100, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: > On 29/07/2019 11:21, ael wrote: > > In the case that I mentioned, it was certainly not from their own GPS > > logs. > > A few examples I came across while looking at these with a DWG hat on were > also not from GPS logs.  In one

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-31 Thread Andy Robinson
al Message- From: ajt1...@gmail.com [mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 July 2019 15:53 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits On 29/07/2019 09:35, Andy Robinson wrote: > I've just looked at a number of Amazon Logistics in my local area Just to

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-31 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 29/07/2019 11:21, ael wrote: In the case that I mentioned, it was certainly not from their own GPS logs. A few examples I came across while looking at these with a DWG hat on were also not from GPS logs.  In one case Amazon would have had to have been delivering by tractor; in another the

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-31 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 29/07/2019 09:35, Andy Robinson wrote: I've just looked at a number of Amazon Logistics in my local area Just to give everyone a bit of a heads-up about the DWG's involvement here - we got a number of messages about Amazon's mapping.  The biggest immediate problem was their use of

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Silent Spike
I've seen a suggestion somewhere to contact amazon about the possibility of running street imagery cameras. Would be a great way to get many local details available for so-called armchair mappers. On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 2:14 PM Dave F via Talk-GB < talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > It would

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
It would be good if they could add address data. Probably not postcodes - I assume they're a customer of Royal Mail's PAF, but house numbers & names. DaveF On 29/07/2019 13:32, Gregory Marler wrote: I've exchanged a number of messages with the Amazon mappers and their team lead Jothirnadh.

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Gregory Marler
I've exchanged a number of messages with the Amazon mappers and their team lead Jothirnadh. First of all, if anything isn't quite right then I would encourage the person who spots it to... a) contact the editor about it (or better if you post a comment on the changeset) b) add tags yourself to

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I'm aware how construction sites work. Trades will occasionally have small items delivered, especially if specialized or in an emergency.  A foreman I know had his kid's Christmas present sent to site to keep the surprise. Please provide an OSM link to the site. DaveF On 29/07/2019 12:25,

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Martin Wynne
On 29/07/2019 09:35, Andy Robinson wrote: I've just looked at a number of Amazon Logistics in my local area. A lot of service roads are getting added which on face value look perhaps to be driveways but that tag hasn't been added. Amazon have been asking for help with this, see:

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Construction areas aren't inaccessible. They have constant traffic of deliveries. Please provide a link. DaveF On 29/07/2019 11:21, ael wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 09:42:27AM +0100, Dan S wrote: "stinks of armchair mapping" - that sounds rather derogatory. My understanding is that these

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Andy There is nothing wrong with adding just highway=service. If you know that the OSM database can be improved by adding additional tags, then do so. (Although I note you're not too sure, yourself) As I understand it Amazon have gpx traces from their delivery vehicles along roads which the

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Dan S
Op ma 29 jul. 2019 om 11:22 schreef ael : > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 09:42:27AM +0100, Dan S wrote: > > "stinks of armchair mapping" - that sounds rather derogatory. My > > understanding is that these are organised edits informed in > > significant part by Amazon's own GPS logs from their

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread ael
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 09:42:27AM +0100, Dan S wrote: > "stinks of armchair mapping" - that sounds rather derogatory. My > understanding is that these are organised edits informed in > significant part by Amazon's own GPS logs from their delivery staff. In the case that I mentioned, it was

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread ael
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 09:35:36AM +0100, Andy Robinson wrote: > I've just looked at a number of Amazon Logistics in my local area. A lot of > service roads are getting added which on face value look perhaps to be > [snip] > Anyone else have concerns over benefits? I noticed a similar problem in

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Jez Nicholson
This can be where having the OSMUK organisation comes in useful. It gives a focal point to discuss organisation to organisation. We will continue to open a channel of communication. Personally, I'm excited that Amazon are both users of, and contributing back to OSM. As long as they behave as a

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Gareth L
Hello, Amazon are indeed adding service roads at quite a pace, although with gps from their drivers and aerial imagery to support. As noted here https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2019-July/023252.html they are responding and soliciting to community feedback on their tagging,

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Dan S
"stinks of armchair mapping" - that sounds rather derogatory. My understanding is that these are organised edits informed in significant part by Amazon's own GPS logs from their delivery staff. (Am I misunderstanding?) If so, referring to it as "armchair" is irrelevant; either way, referring to it

[Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Andy Robinson
I've just looked at a number of Amazon Logistics in my local area. A lot of service roads are getting added which on face value look perhaps to be driveways but that tag hasn't been added. Just stinks of armchair mapping. The users (three I spotted off the bat) all have the following "I work for