Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-27 Thread Warin
On 26/07/19 22:14, Martin Wynne wrote: The tag is *barrier*=gate. A permanently open gate isn't a barrier, so I don't think it should be tagged as such. At least not across a way. It is a barrier ready for use. You could add a separate node to one side of the way, and tag that as a gate.

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
26 Jul 2019, 14:14 by mar...@templot.com: > The tag is *barrier*=gate. > > A permanently open gate isn't a barrier, so I don't think it should be tagged > as such. At least not across a way. > Amber there is *highway*=path and land*use*=water. And *natural*=water used for man made water

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Silent Spike
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 6:38 PM Martin Wynne wrote: > Sometimes deciding what is and isn't a gate is tricky. Is this a gate? > To me that's very clearly a gate 路‍♂️ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Martin Wynne
Sometimes deciding what is and isn't a gate is tricky. Is this a gate? http://85a.uk/beware_bull_960x772.jpg If not, what is it? Should it be mapped at all? cheers, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-26 15:47, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 26/07/2019 13:28, David Woolley wrote: On 26/07/2019 12:57, Stephen > Colebourne wrote: unless there is an explicit "private" sign > There is no legal need for "private" signs. The default assumption should be > that everything is private ... in

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Andy Townsend
On 26/07/2019 13:28, David Woolley wrote: On 26/07/2019 12:57, Stephen Colebourne wrote: unless there is an explicit "private" sign There is no legal need for "private" signs.  The default assumption should be that everything is private ... in England and Wales.  Scotland is somewhat more

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Silent Spike
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 1:15 PM Martin Wynne wrote: > The tag is *barrier*=gate. > > A permanently open gate isn't a barrier, so I don't think it should be > tagged as such. At least not across a way. > It's a common mistake to interpret keys to match their corresponding word definitions. The

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread David Woolley
On 26/07/2019 12:57, Stephen Colebourne wrote: unless there is an explicit "private" sign There is no legal need for "private" signs. The default assumption should be that everything is private (even though the OSM default is mainly the opposite). In my part of the country, garden front

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Dan S
Op vr 26 jul. 2019 om 13:15 schreef Martin Wynne : > > The tag is *barrier*=gate. > > A permanently open gate isn't a barrier, so I don't think it should be > tagged as such. At least not across a way. In OSM tagging, the definition isn't strongly tied to the literal English meaning, but rather

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Martin Wynne
The tag is *barrier*=gate. A permanently open gate isn't a barrier, so I don't think it should be tagged as such. At least not across a way. You could add a separate node to one side of the way, and tag that as a gate. A gate which is often open, but sometimes closed, is just an ordinary

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Stephen Colebourne
On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 11:59, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2019-07-26 12:26, Gareth L wrote: > This was discussed on the wiki > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate with the > suggestion of using a status tag. And was also discussed (9 years ago?!) >

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Warin
ephen Colebourne' ; 'talk-gb OSM List' *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default If a gate opens automatically I would say it's an access=yes regardless of how the way is tagged. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Stephen Colebourne [mailto:scolebou...@joda.org] Sent: 26

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Colin Smale
?!) >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html [2] >> >> Tagging things as access=private does impact routing a lot, so I'd evaluate >> that use carefully. >> >> Gareth >> >> --------- >

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-26 12:26, Gareth L wrote: > This was discussed on the wiki > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate [1] with the > suggestion of using a status tag. And was also discussed (9 years ago?!) > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Warin
evaluate that use carefully. Gareth *From:* Andy Robinson *Sent:* Friday, July 26, 2019 10:55:37 AM *To:* 'Stephen Colebourne' ; 'talk-gb OSM List' *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default If a gate opens aut

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Gareth L
routing a lot, so I’d evaluate that use carefully. Gareth From: Andy Robinson Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 10:55:37 AM To: 'Stephen Colebourne' ; 'talk-gb OSM List' Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default If a gate opens automatically I would say

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread David Woolley
On 26/07/2019 10:46, Stephen Colebourne wrote: I'd like to distinguish between two kinds of gate on private roads: - those where the gate is closed by default (eg automatic closing) - those where the gate is open by default (the gate exists, but is rarely if ever closed) I'd suggest

Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Andy Robinson
If a gate opens automatically I would say it's an access=yes regardless of how the way is tagged. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Stephen Colebourne [mailto:scolebou...@joda.org] Sent: 26 July 2019 10:47 To: talk-gb OSM List Subject: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default I'd

[Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

2019-07-26 Thread Stephen Colebourne
I'd like to distinguish between two kinds of gate on private roads: - those where the gate is closed by default (eg automatic closing) - those where the gate is open by default (the gate exists, but is rarely if ever closed) Currently I'm marking both as barrier=gate & access=private, but I