Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-05 Thread Andy Street
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:53:15 + Nick Whitelegg wrote: > Pragmatically though is it really going to do any harm? Particularly > if we are just adding a designation tag rather than using the HCC > data to identify the course of a path? If you only interested in path designation (and possibly ref

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-05 Thread Nick Whitelegg
lk-gb From: "Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)" Date: 05/12/2013 12:20PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data On 4 December 2013 11:45, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > Re the HCC data I have had this communication from Dan at HCC. > > "Hi Nic

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-05 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 03/12/2013 21:36, Robert Norris wrote: Normally I visually compare Hants KML (and indeed West Sussex) vs OSM tile images to identify missing ROWs and then make that a basis to include in a route for a days out walking or cycling. This might help: http://bl.ocks.org/Jonobennett/raw/7152386

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-05 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 4 December 2013 11:45, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > Re the HCC data I have had this communication from Dan at HCC. > > "Hi Nick, > > I have been in comms with my contact at OS and the feedback I have had is > that ODBL and OS Open Licence can work together. As long as there is still > attribution

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-04 Thread wintonian
can do in OSM is put in the detail as actual walkers (i.e. on the ground surveyors). Regards Dudley Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 02:52:58 + From: m...@wintonian.net To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data Really what I meant

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-04 Thread Dudley Ibbett
> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 02:52:58 + > From: m...@wintonian.net > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data > > Really what I meant was where the is a RoW (as evidenced by the > definitive map) but the actu

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-04 Thread Nick Whitelegg
cate these with "Unclassified County Road" signs, but not Hampshire. Nick -wintonian wrote: - To: Kevin Peat , Robert Norris , "talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" From: wintonian Date: 04/12/2013 08:31AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-04 Thread Nick Whitelegg
rts of the county and the central area in the Winchester/Alton/Basingstoke/Andover quadrangle are more or less complete. Nick -wintonian wrote: - To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: wintonian Date: 03/12/2013 02:56AM Subject: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data He

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-04 Thread wintonian
Now that seem quite logical to me, thanks for the suggestion. Regards Robert Kevin Peat wrote: > > >I have mapped many of these green lanes in Devon and tagged them as: > > highway=track > designation=unclassified_highway > >They were discussed in the past on the list. You sometimes see the

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-04 Thread Kevin Peat
Robert Norris wrote: > >Case in point (green dots on OS Explorer, sort of track on NPE, nothing >in OS Streetview, perfectly good track for 4x4s (maybe even cars - >memory is fuzzy now) & mountain bikes). >Something I've mappedĀ  (Potlatch2 claims AndyS has modified it - but >then I've never quite

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread Andy Street
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 00:35:30 + Robert Norris wrote: > >> Some of the 'Green Lanes' (ex Roads Used as Public Path?) are a bit > >> mysterious - (seemed to be called 'Public Ways' in West Sussex > >> speak). These don't seem appear in OS Locator or OS Streetview, nor > >> are they covered by the

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread wintonian
Really what I meant was where the is a RoW (as evidenced by the definitive map) but the actual line that is used has moved over time, perhaps to avoid a fallen tree or an area that has become wet and boggy over the years or otherwise more difficult to traverse than the new line. Therefore what

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread Andy Street
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 22:00:20 + Jonathan wrote: > Can someone clarify the situation for me. I'm in Worcestershire > where permission was previously sought to use the Worcs CC PRoW. > However, what is the advice in a situation where you can't use > official PRoW data, Bing shows a path across

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread Robert Norris
> A quick comparison of HCC's numbers with the latest Geofabrik > Hampshire extract yields the following: > > 51% designation=public_footpath > 60% designation=public_bridleway > 58% designation=restricted_byway > 111% designation=byway,public_byway,byway_open_to_all_traffic Nice - thanks for the

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread Andy Street
On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 21:36:03 + Robert Norris wrote: > An interesting question is how much? (Compared to the Hants CC). > > There is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hampshire/Rights_of_Way > but that was last updated over 2 years ago :( I used to update page manually each month but lost in

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread wintonian
This was one of the other things I was wondering about. If we are mapping what is actually on the ground (which would seem to be the sensible approach) and then assigning the relevant legal status to the feature i.e. a footpath/ bridleway etc. in this case and the legal line RoW is diffident t

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread Jonathan
Can someone clarify the situation for me. I'm in Worcestershire where permission was previously sought to use the Worcs CC PRoW. However, what is the advice in a situation where you can't use official PRoW data, Bing shows a path across a field, a ground survey also shows a clear path across

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread Robert Norris
Given the efforts of AndyS, NickW, myself and many others - most of Hampshire is very well mapped. An interesting question is how much? (Compared to the Hants CC). There is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hampshire/Rights_of_Way but that was last updated over 2 years ago :( I suspect in term

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread UrbanRambler1
With all this importing going on it's worthwhile remembering the basics. If a footpath has been surveyed it'll have at least one gpx track. If the gpx looks reliable it's probably the best indication of where the footpath goes. Rgds, Vic On 03/12/13 19:32, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi, The Hants

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi, The Hants data was one of the first Rights of Way datasets that we got access to. It is my understanding that we did get the permission for using this OS OpenData licensed data above and beyond what the OS OpenData license says (we have permission from both OS and Hants CC). Having said this,

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread wintonian
Thanks for the input all, I'll reply more fully later when I have time but for now I'll just say this. 1, I had considered the potential contradictions of definitive map, dataset and usage but had not yet tackled the question. Interestingly I know of a recent case where the on-line maps at HC

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 3 December 2013 02:51, wintonian wrote: > Can use this data from Hants CC ( http://www3.hants.gov.uk/row/row-maps.htm > )? It has been released under the 'Open Goverment License' ( > http://www3.hants.gov.uk/opendata/licence.htm ). Data released under the "Open Government Licence" would be fin

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread Barry Cornelius
On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, wintonian wrote: Can use this data from Hants CC ( http://www3.hants.gov.uk/row/row-maps.htm )? It has been released under the 'Open Goverment License' ( http://www3.hants.gov.uk/opendata/licence.htm ). I wish to use it to set the designation for 'rights of way' and for creat

Re: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-03 Thread Jason Woollacott
Jason (UniEagle) -Original Message- From: wintonian Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:51 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data Hello all, Can use this data from Hants CC ( http://www3.hants.gov.uk/row/row-maps.htm )? It

[Talk-GB] Hants CC - Open Government Licence & use of data

2013-12-02 Thread wintonian
Hello all, Can use this data from Hants CC ( http://www3.hants.gov.uk/row/row-maps.htm )? It has been released under the 'Open Goverment License' ( http://www3.hants.gov.uk/opendata/licence.htm ). I wish to use it to set the designation for 'rights of way' and for creating the relevant 'way