Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge? - iD measurements
Many thanks Nick and Michael. I obviously need to do more RTFM. :) I did some digging in the Help panel and found that there are several out-of-date lists of iD shortcuts. To get the Measurements panel to appear I have to press CTRL+I, not M, at least in the Opera browser. The scalebar is useful, but not very convenient to use as it stands. I found that clicking on it toggles metres or feet units. To make much use of it needs a pixel ruler. There is a free one at: http://www.spadixbd.com/freetools/ which can be used horizontally or vertically (but not at an angle unfortunately). Using the scalebar and the pixel ruler you can calculate the essential metric, which is metres-per-pixel at the current zoom. Which can then be used to measure any element on the screen using the ruler. cheers, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
Ctrl + Shift + M for the measurement panel which shows the length of a way or dimensions of an area. Ctrl + Shift + B, H or L also show other info panels. On 05/05/2019 18:18, Martin Wynne wrote: p.s. Am I missing something? How can I see the actual dimensions of an element in the iD editor? cheers, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
Hi, The scale is on the bottom left of the window - the length of line varies according to the amount of zoom you use. It's there on the main OSM website when you are viewing as well. Very easy to miss. Regards Nick(Tallguy) On Sun, 2019-05-05 at 18:18 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > On 05/05/2019 17:39, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > Given the small width of the ditch, I wouldn't bother with the > separate way, but just put the ford & handrail tags on the > intersecting node. > The way you've mapped it the ford & handrail are 5 metres in length. > Thanks Dave. > I have shortened it to about 2 metres (I think). > I'm reluctant to remove the separate way. In this case the stream is > very narrow, but in other cases it often isn't. A bridge has a finite > span length, a culvert has a finite length, and a ford surely has a > length too? If the stream was mapped as water between separate banks, > it would look a bit daft to have only a single node in the centre > tagged as a ford. > p.s. Am I missing something? How can I see the actual dimensions of > an element in the iD editor? > cheers, > Martin. > ___Talk-GB mailing > listtalk...@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
On 05/05/2019 17:39, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Given the small width of the ditch, I wouldn't bother with the separate way, but just put the ford & handrail tags on the intersecting node. The way you've mapped it the ford & handrail are 5 metres in length. Thanks Dave. I have shortened it to about 2 metres (I think). I'm reluctant to remove the separate way. In this case the stream is very narrow, but in other cases it often isn't. A bridge has a finite span length, a culvert has a finite length, and a ford surely has a length too? If the stream was mapped as water between separate banks, it would look a bit daft to have only a single node in the centre tagged as a ford. p.s. Am I missing something? How can I see the actual dimensions of an element in the iD editor? cheers, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
Given the small width of the ditch, I wouldn't bother with the separate way, but just put the ford & handrail tags on the intersecting node. The way you've mapped it the ford & handrail are 5 metres in length. On 05/05/2019 17:19, Martin Wynne wrote: Got a Link? If you're mapping linear ways a node at their intersection with ford=yes is required. Thanks Dave. I have now added an intersection node, which has fixed the error. However, it seems a bit odd to have to do that? It means there are now 2 elements tagged ford=yes, an intersection node, AND a short bit of footpath corresponding to the length of the handrail. Are some renderings now going to show 2 separate ford symbols? The standard OSM map was happily showing a ford symbol with only the footpath tagged. Here's the link: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.29595/-2.60809 cheers, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
Got a Link? If you're mapping linear ways a node at their intersection with ford=yes is required. Thanks Dave. I have now added an intersection node, which has fixed the error. However, it seems a bit odd to have to do that? It means there are now 2 elements tagged ford=yes, an intersection node, AND a short bit of footpath corresponding to the length of the handrail. Are some renderings now going to show 2 separate ford symbols? The standard OSM map was happily showing a ford symbol with only the footpath tagged. Here's the link: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.29595/-2.60809 cheers, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
On 05/05/2019 15:52, Martin Wynne wrote: n.b. the iD editor is now showing this as an error: "Stream crosses foot path", even though tagged as a ford. Got a Link? If you're mapping linear ways a node at their intersection with ford=yes is required. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
On 05/05/2019 14:42, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Hi I'm not convinced it's a bridge I would tag your example as a ford=yes, handrail=yes. DaveF Thanks all. I'm also not convinced it's a bridge. There is no evidence of any other structure at each end of the handrail. I suspect the small bit of wood is local improvisation on what is basically just a ford. I have now tagged it as a ford, with handrail. I'm not convinced most folks would call this a "stream", it's little more than a ditch. But the wiki says both "ditch" and "drain" are man-made, and this looks natural. But there is no natural watercourse tag available smaller than "stream". n.b. the iD editor is now showing this as an error: "Stream crosses foot path", even though tagged as a ford. cheers, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
Hi I'm not convinced it's a bridge. There's no clear evidence of a raised footway. A piece of wood dropped in the stream, is probably just a piece of wood dropped in the stream. I've two similar examples close to me; one wood the other a cast iron frame. They're for the user to steady themselves as they take a large step across the stream. I would tag your example as a ford=yes, handrail=yes. DaveF On 05/05/2019 13:24, Martin Wynne wrote: Is this a footbridge? Or maybe a ford? Stepping stones? There is a solid handrail, but only a small plank of rotten wood, about 2ft long by 4 inches wide, dropped in the mud: http://85a.uk/plank_bridge.jpg Thanks, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
Ed is of course right. How to map it is a more vexed problem. I think I'd still map it as a footbridge with handrail and a note that it was damaged (or even ford=yes as well): if you report it to your local highway authority it may get fixed. The reason I'm responding to this is that I've been meaning to ask if we have a common means of tagging these plank bridges across ditches & streams which are so common on footpaths. Has anyone tried to deliberately map this type of bridge? Are planks a standard width so that width=* can readily be tagged? My father finds the 1-plank wide ones a little awkward to manage now that his balance is not so good. Jerry On Sun, 5 May 2019 at 13:33, Ed Loach wrote: > I'm guessing it was a footbridge, and now needs repair. > -- > *From:* Martin Wynne > *Sent:* Sunday, May 5, 2019 1:24:22 PM > *To:* Talk GB > *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge? > > Is this a footbridge? Or maybe a ford? Stepping stones? > > There is a solid handrail, but only a small plank of rotten wood, about > 2ft long by 4 inches wide, dropped in the mud: > > http://85a.uk/plank_bridge.jpg > > Thanks, > > Martin. > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
I'm guessing it was a footbridge, and now needs repair. From: Martin Wynne Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 1:24:22 PM To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge? Is this a footbridge? Or maybe a ford? Stepping stones? There is a solid handrail, but only a small plank of rotten wood, about 2ft long by 4 inches wide, dropped in the mud: http://85a.uk/plank_bridge.jpg Thanks, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?
Is this a footbridge? Or maybe a ford? Stepping stones? There is a solid handrail, but only a small plank of rotten wood, about 2ft long by 4 inches wide, dropped in the mud: http://85a.uk/plank_bridge.jpg Thanks, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
