Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK Instagram ideas

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB]

Maybe something showing how 
editing actually happens?

Either as short movie, animated gif
or as combination of some photos
in one image?
10 Aug 2020, 16:38 by jez.nichol...@gmail.com:

> Thanks for the ideas.
>
> Today's post is about Missing Maps London on Tues 1 September > 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CDtkiAFH-sS/>  which I attended last week. I've 
> been going to see what goes on. Gave me a chance to try out the new RapiD 
> editor.
>
> I forgot to say that I want to be able to post once-a-day.
>
> I haven't considered replicating somewhere 'open' yet. Insta has a big reach, 
> but I see that Pixelfed is a similar concept.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 2:42 PM Robert Skedgell <> r...@hubris.org.uk> > wrote:
>
>> On 09/08/2020 14:31, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>>  > I've been posting to the OSMUK
>>  > Instagram >> https://www.instagram.com/openstreetmapuk/>>  account 
>> recently.
>>  > We are currently focusing on potential new mappers, so i'm thinking
>>  > quirky and topical.
>>  > 
>>  > So,
>>  > 
>>  > a) Do you know of an interesting looking feature in the UK?
>>  > 
>>  > b) Do you know of something topical (and visual)?
>>  > 
>>  > c) After this thread has finished, how best could/would you get in
>>  > contact to tell me? Twitter? A thread on Loomio? Here?
>>  > 
>>  > Regards,
>>  >               Jez
>>  > 
>>  
>>  Some of the COVID-19 related highway changes, e.g. modal filters
>>  implemented with planters might be worth including. There's an obvious
>>  visual and routing impact in real life, as rendered by OSM Carto and for
>>  routing engines.
>>  
>>  -- 
>>  Robert Skedgell (rskedgell)
>>  
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK Instagram ideas

[Jez Nicholson]

Thanks for the ideas.

Today's post is about Missing Maps London on Tues 1 September
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDtkiAFH-sS/ which I attended last week. I've
been going to see what goes on. Gave me a chance to try out the new RapiD
editor.

I forgot to say that I want to be able to post once-a-day.

I haven't considered replicating somewhere 'open' yet. Insta has a big
reach, but I see that Pixelfed is a similar concept.


On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 2:42 PM Robert Skedgell  wrote:

> On 09/08/2020 14:31, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > I've been posting to the OSMUK
> > Instagram https://www.instagram.com/openstreetmapuk/ account recently.
> > We are currently focusing on potential new mappers, so i'm thinking
> > quirky and topical.
> >
> > So,
> >
> > a) Do you know of an interesting looking feature in the UK?
> >
> > b) Do you know of something topical (and visual)?
> >
> > c) After this thread has finished, how best could/would you get in
> > contact to tell me? Twitter? A thread on Loomio? Here?
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Jez
> >
>
> Some of the COVID-19 related highway changes, e.g. modal filters
> implemented with planters might be worth including. There's an obvious
> visual and routing impact in real life, as rendered by OSM Carto and for
> routing engines.
>
> --
> Robert Skedgell (rskedgell)
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK Instagram ideas

[Robert Skedgell]

On 09/08/2020 14:31, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> I've been posting to the OSMUK
> Instagram https://www.instagram.com/openstreetmapuk/ account recently.
> We are currently focusing on potential new mappers, so i'm thinking
> quirky and topical.
> 
> So,
> 
> a) Do you know of an interesting looking feature in the UK?
> 
> b) Do you know of something topical (and visual)?
> 
> c) After this thread has finished, how best could/would you get in
> contact to tell me? Twitter? A thread on Loomio? Here?
> 
> Regards,
>               Jez
> 

Some of the COVID-19 related highway changes, e.g. modal filters
implemented with planters might be worth including. There's an obvious
visual and routing impact in real life, as rendered by OSM Carto and for
routing engines.

-- 
Robert Skedgell (rskedgell)


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[Talk-GB] OSMUK Instagram ideas

[Jez Nicholson]

I've been posting to the OSMUK Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/openstreetmapuk/ account recently. We are
currently focusing on potential new mappers, so i'm thinking quirky and
topical.

So,

a) Do you know of an interesting looking feature in the UK?

b) Do you know of something topical (and visual)?

c) After this thread has finished, how best could/would you get in contact
to tell me? Twitter? A thread on Loomio? Here?

Regards,
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK calls for directors

[Gareth L]

Hello!
Apologies to those on the osm-uk mailing list who may be seeing this for a 
second time.

The OSM UK (https://osmuk.org/) articles of association stipulate that 2 
directors step down each year, and as we need a minimum of 5 directors to 
operate, we appoint at least 2 directors.

Are you interested?


I’m Gareth, and became a director at the OSM UK 2019 AGM, so here’s my 
information to prospective candidates.

You don’t need to have detailed knowledge of the history or workings of OSM, 
nor be a coding wizard or have previous director experience, and having any of 
these would not count against you.
You don’t even need to be a super high prolific contributor to OSM.

What you do need:
Legally able to hold a directorship in the UK.
Be (or become) an OSM UK member.
Commit to attending a monthly call with the other directors.
Be willing to take on some of the day to day running of the CIC. Actual 
activity is not daily, and is a few hours a month to as much as you fancy.

Why?
Hopefully you see value in there being a company being able to front for OSM in 
the UK and would like to support that. Newcomers, particularly companies, like 
to have a point of contact before approaching a group of volunteers.
You want to learn about the OSM ecosystem, from contributor groups to potential 
data consumers through to OSMF.
You’d like to help drive greater use, participation and engagement with OSM 
data.


If you’re considering it, or are unsure and would like to discuss what it may 
entail in more detail, please contact us at 
bo...@osmuk.org by June 15th.


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Re: [Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Rob Nickerson]

>do we cover British Overseas Territories such as Gibraltar and the
Falkland Islands?

Not as OSM UK CIC. We ended up settling on the British Islands:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Islands

Thank you,
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Re: [Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Jez Nicholson]

Indeed.

I will be plundering the excellent repository from Derry Hamilton for the
Docker setup soon (unless someone beats me to it).

I'd like to make the dataset all of the areas covered by OSMUK...do we
cover British Overseas Territories such as Gibraltar and the Falkland
Islands?

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020, 15:32 Brian Prangle,  wrote:

> Looks like you've got yourself a show and tell session at the OSMUK AGM
> Jez!
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:31, Jez Nicholson 
> wrote:
>
>> I come from a database background, and when a question isn't easily
>> answered with Taginfo or Overpass Turbo I jump to my trusty local postgres
>> database of UK data. I have a script that downloads the British Isles from
>> Geofabrik, loads it with osm2pgsql, adds some useful indexes, and then
>> removes Eire. Thereafter I can run SQL queries across the whole database to
>> get 'UK-wide' results.
>>
>> I think that this would be useful for people on hackdays and the like and
>> would be a good service for OSMUK to provide, so have just added a new
>> github repository https://github.com/osm-uk/osmuk2pgsql
>>
>> Friendly-worded Issues are welcome, as are code contributions. I'd like
>> to put it on a Docker environment so that it works quickly-and-easily on
>> Windows, Linux, Mac, whatever.
>>
>> Comments? Thoughts?
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Jez
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Re: [Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Brian Prangle]

Looks like you've got yourself a show and tell session at the OSMUK AGM
Jez!

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:31, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> I come from a database background, and when a question isn't easily
> answered with Taginfo or Overpass Turbo I jump to my trusty local postgres
> database of UK data. I have a script that downloads the British Isles from
> Geofabrik, loads it with osm2pgsql, adds some useful indexes, and then
> removes Eire. Thereafter I can run SQL queries across the whole database to
> get 'UK-wide' results.
>
> I think that this would be useful for people on hackdays and the like and
> would be a good service for OSMUK to provide, so have just added a new
> github repository https://github.com/osm-uk/osmuk2pgsql
>
> Friendly-worded Issues are welcome, as are code contributions. I'd like to
> put it on a Docker environment so that it works quickly-and-easily on
> Windows, Linux, Mac, whatever.
>
> Comments? Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
>  Jez
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Re: [Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Adam Hoyle]

Hey Jez,

Awesome! I’ve used Docker a few times, so am fairly confident in it, so happy 
to help unless someone else gets there first.

Best,

Adam
On 6 Feb 2020, 12:31 +, Jez Nicholson , wrote:
> I come from a database background, and when a question isn't easily answered 
> with Taginfo or Overpass Turbo I jump to my trusty local postgres database of 
> UK data. I have a script that downloads the British Isles from Geofabrik, 
> loads it with osm2pgsql, adds some useful indexes, and then removes Eire. 
> Thereafter I can run SQL queries across the whole database to get 'UK-wide' 
> results.
>
> I think that this would be useful for people on hackdays and the like and 
> would be a good service for OSMUK to provide, so have just added a new github 
> repository https://github.com/osm-uk/osmuk2pgsql
>
> Friendly-worded Issues are welcome, as are code contributions. I'd like to 
> put it on a Docker environment so that it works quickly-and-easily on 
> Windows, Linux, Mac, whatever.
>
> Comments? Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
>              Jez
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Re: [Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Dan S]

Op do 6 feb. 2020 om 13:06 schreef Frederik Ramm :
>
> Hi,
>
> On 06.02.20 13:29, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > I come from a database background, and when a question isn't easily
> > answered with Taginfo or Overpass Turbo I jump to my trusty local
> > postgres database of UK data. I have a script that downloads the British
> > Isles from Geofabrik, loads it with osm2pgsql, adds some useful indexes,
> > and then removes Eire. Thereafter I can run SQL queries across the whole
> > database to get 'UK-wide' result
> I would recommend using --hstore-all instead of just --hstore because
> this gives you *all* tags in the "tags" column and therefore makes some
> analyses easier (cf. some of the examples below).
>
> It is certainly a good approach to answer complicated questions, and
> also an excellent training ground for people to hone their SQL skills.
> Some scribbles from a recent training:
>
> "what are the most frequently used key on a polygon":
>
> select count(*) as c, (each(tags)).key as k from planet_osm_polygon
> group by k order by c desc limit 10;
>
> or "what are the most frequently used key-value combos":
>
> select count(*) as c, each(tags) as k from planet_osm_polygon group by k
> order by c desc;
>
> or "which are the longest hiking routes":
>
> select osm_id, st_length(way::geography) as l, tags from planet_osm_line
> where tags->'route' = 'hiking' order by l desc;
>
> Having said that, for the easier questions there's also the per-region
> taginfo on Geofabrik (it's a bit beta still but good enough) - it
> doesn't actually feature the UK as an area but you can do
> England/Scotland/Wales separately:
>
> http://taginfo.geofabrik.de/europe/great-britain/england/

Also there seems to be GB:
http://taginfo.geofabrik.de/europe/great-britain/

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Re: [Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Paul Berry]

When you have the setup guide drafted, I'll have a go at following the
instructions to see if they're correct. I've never set up anything OSM
locally so I can be your fresh pair of eyes on it.

Thanks.

Regards,
*Paul*

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 13:17, Derry Hamilton  wrote:

> Hi Tony,
> I did something similar a while back at
> https://github.com/rasilon/osm_database so that might help you get
> started?
>
> Cheers,
> Derry
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 13:10, Tony OSM  wrote:
>
>> Absolutely Fabulous!
>>
>> Not done Docker but I'll start learning how to get it on those
>> environments.
>>
>> I'll try to support by QA and writing instructions as to how to get it
>> live.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> TonyS999
>> On 06/02/2020 12:29, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>>
>> I come from a database background, and when a question isn't easily
>> answered with Taginfo or Overpass Turbo I jump to my trusty local postgres
>> database of UK data. I have a script that downloads the British Isles from
>> Geofabrik, loads it with osm2pgsql, adds some useful indexes, and then
>> removes Eire. Thereafter I can run SQL queries across the whole database to
>> get 'UK-wide' results.
>>
>> I think that this would be useful for people on hackdays and the like and
>> would be a good service for OSMUK to provide, so have just added a new
>> github repository https://github.com/osm-uk/osmuk2pgsql
>>
>> Friendly-worded Issues are welcome, as are code contributions. I'd like
>> to put it on a Docker environment so that it works quickly-and-easily on
>> Windows, Linux, Mac, whatever.
>>
>> Comments? Thoughts?
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Jez
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Jez Nicholson]

Excellent. Not a new idea then.

https://alexurquhart.com/post/set-up-postgis-with-docker/ looks like a
reasonable summary of what Docker is and why.

It being the whole of the UK, the download and create takes a while. I will
be giving the choice of a smaller area, e.g. Greater Manchester.

I'd like to include some sample SQL queries to help people get started.
Help here would be useful.

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020, 13:17 Derry Hamilton,  wrote:

> Hi Tony,
> I did something similar a while back at
> https://github.com/rasilon/osm_database so that might help you get
> started?
>
> Cheers,
> Derry
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 13:10, Tony OSM  wrote:
>
>> Absolutely Fabulous!
>>
>> Not done Docker but I'll start learning how to get it on those
>> environments.
>>
>> I'll try to support by QA and writing instructions as to how to get it
>> live.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> TonyS999
>> On 06/02/2020 12:29, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>>
>> I come from a database background, and when a question isn't easily
>> answered with Taginfo or Overpass Turbo I jump to my trusty local postgres
>> database of UK data. I have a script that downloads the British Isles from
>> Geofabrik, loads it with osm2pgsql, adds some useful indexes, and then
>> removes Eire. Thereafter I can run SQL queries across the whole database to
>> get 'UK-wide' results.
>>
>> I think that this would be useful for people on hackdays and the like and
>> would be a good service for OSMUK to provide, so have just added a new
>> github repository https://github.com/osm-uk/osmuk2pgsql
>>
>> Friendly-worded Issues are welcome, as are code contributions. I'd like
>> to put it on a Docker environment so that it works quickly-and-easily on
>> Windows, Linux, Mac, whatever.
>>
>> Comments? Thoughts?
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Jez
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Derry Hamilton]

Hi Tony,
I did something similar a while back at
https://github.com/rasilon/osm_database so that might help you get started?

Cheers,
Derry

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 13:10, Tony OSM  wrote:

> Absolutely Fabulous!
>
> Not done Docker but I'll start learning how to get it on those
> environments.
>
> I'll try to support by QA and writing instructions as to how to get it
> live.
>
> Cheers
>
> TonyS999
> On 06/02/2020 12:29, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>
> I come from a database background, and when a question isn't easily
> answered with Taginfo or Overpass Turbo I jump to my trusty local postgres
> database of UK data. I have a script that downloads the British Isles from
> Geofabrik, loads it with osm2pgsql, adds some useful indexes, and then
> removes Eire. Thereafter I can run SQL queries across the whole database to
> get 'UK-wide' results.
>
> I think that this would be useful for people on hackdays and the like and
> would be a good service for OSMUK to provide, so have just added a new
> github repository https://github.com/osm-uk/osmuk2pgsql
>
> Friendly-worded Issues are welcome, as are code contributions. I'd like to
> put it on a Docker environment so that it works quickly-and-easily on
> Windows, Linux, Mac, whatever.
>
> Comments? Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
>  Jez
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Tony OSM]

Absolutely Fabulous!

Not done Docker but I'll start learning how to get it on those 
environments.


I'll try to support by QA and writing instructions as to how to get it 
live.


Cheers

TonyS999

On 06/02/2020 12:29, Jez Nicholson wrote:
I come from a database background, and when a question isn't easily 
answered with Taginfo or Overpass Turbo I jump to my trusty local 
postgres database of UK data. I have a script that downloads the 
British Isles from Geofabrik, loads it with osm2pgsql, adds some 
useful indexes, and then removes Eire. Thereafter I can run SQL 
queries across the whole database to get 'UK-wide' results.


I think that this would be useful for people on hackdays and the like 
and would be a good service for OSMUK to provide, so have just added a 
new github repository https://github.com/osm-uk/osmuk2pgsql


Friendly-worded Issues are welcome, as are code contributions. I'd 
like to put it on a Docker environment so that it works 
quickly-and-easily on Windows, Linux, Mac, whatever.


Comments? Thoughts?

Regards,
             Jez

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Re: [Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 06.02.20 13:29, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> I come from a database background, and when a question isn't easily
> answered with Taginfo or Overpass Turbo I jump to my trusty local
> postgres database of UK data. I have a script that downloads the British
> Isles from Geofabrik, loads it with osm2pgsql, adds some useful indexes,
> and then removes Eire. Thereafter I can run SQL queries across the whole
> database to get 'UK-wide' result
I would recommend using --hstore-all instead of just --hstore because
this gives you *all* tags in the "tags" column and therefore makes some
analyses easier (cf. some of the examples below).

It is certainly a good approach to answer complicated questions, and
also an excellent training ground for people to hone their SQL skills.
Some scribbles from a recent training:

"what are the most frequently used key on a polygon":

select count(*) as c, (each(tags)).key as k from planet_osm_polygon
group by k order by c desc limit 10;

or "what are the most frequently used key-value combos":

select count(*) as c, each(tags) as k from planet_osm_polygon group by k
order by c desc;

or "which are the longest hiking routes":

select osm_id, st_length(way::geography) as l, tags from planet_osm_line
where tags->'route' = 'hiking' order by l desc;

Having said that, for the easier questions there's also the per-region
taginfo on Geofabrik (it's a bit beta still but good enough) - it
doesn't actually feature the UK as an area but you can do
England/Scotland/Wales separately:

http://taginfo.geofabrik.de/europe/great-britain/england/

Bye
Frederik

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[Talk-GB] "OSMUK-in-a-box"

[Jez Nicholson]

I come from a database background, and when a question isn't easily
answered with Taginfo or Overpass Turbo I jump to my trusty local postgres
database of UK data. I have a script that downloads the British Isles from
Geofabrik, loads it with osm2pgsql, adds some useful indexes, and then
removes Eire. Thereafter I can run SQL queries across the whole database to
get 'UK-wide' results.

I think that this would be useful for people on hackdays and the like and
would be a good service for OSMUK to provide, so have just added a new
github repository https://github.com/osm-uk/osmuk2pgsql

Friendly-worded Issues are welcome, as are code contributions. I'd like to
put it on a Docker environment so that it works quickly-and-easily on
Windows, Linux, Mac, whatever.

Comments? Thoughts?

Regards,
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK Talent Directory ITTs

[Jez Nicholson]

I have just sent out another Invitation To Tender (ITT) to the OSMUK Talent
Directory for the opportunity to do a paid guest lecture at UCL in November
or December.

I'm more than happy to send it again in a couple of days to any new signups
https://osmuk.org/join-our-talent-directory/

Regards,
  Jez
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK: Where should we focus our 2019/20 strategy?

[Jez Nicholson]

Hello Mappers,

The first OSMUK board meeting for 2019/20 season is tomorrow (Mon 5
August). We will mostly be discussing what we plan to do with this year.
You have the opportunity to tell us what you think on a dot poll at
https://www.loomio.org/p/965t2PXE the poll also has a freeform comment and
you can add options...but hurry.

Regards,
   Jez
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK

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Not sure the weather in the area is suitable for surveys today and there is not 
much street level imagery for remote mapping (maybe just the A4034 in Far 
Bletchley)

 

From: Gregory Marler [mailto:i...@nomoregrapes.com] 
Sent: 12 June 2019 15:15
To: Talk-GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK

 

Is anyone planning on doing some mapping as part of this?

 

So far I've only seen minor edits from Amazon Logistics staff.

They weren't aware of the Mapathon until I sent them a message with some links, 
so there's been no deliberate focus. Previously I invited them to the OSM UK 
event, which they don't intend to go to but will be at Stat of the Map in 
Germany.

 

>From Durham,

Gregory.

 

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 09:21, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

With a fairly low-key start, OSMUK are beginning a series of 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_24_hour_mapathons today, 12 June 2019.

 

Similar to the Quarterly Project we aren't forcing this in a particular 
direction by lots of planning upfront. The process will evolve over time. In 
fact, you could discuss that on the 'talk' pages, or here (and then write up?).

 

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK

[Gregory Marler]

Is anyone planning on doing some mapping as part of this?

So far I've only seen minor edits from Amazon Logistics staff.
They weren't aware of the Mapathon until I sent them a message with some
links, so there's been no deliberate focus. Previously I invited them to
the OSM UK event, which they don't intend to go to but will be at Stat of
the Map in Germany.

>From Durham,
Gregory.

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 09:21, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> With a fairly low-key start, OSMUK are beginning a series of
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_24_hour_mapathons today, 12 June
> 2019.
>
> Similar to the Quarterly Project we aren't forcing this in a particular
> direction by lots of planning upfront. The process will evolve over time.
> In fact, you could discuss that on the 'talk' pages, or here (and then
> write up?).
>
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK

[Jez Nicholson]

With a fairly low-key start, OSMUK are beginning a series of
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_24_hour_mapathons today, 12 June
2019.

Similar to the Quarterly Project we aren't forcing this in a particular
direction by lots of planning upfront. The process will evolve over time.
In fact, you could discuss that on the 'talk' pages, or here (and then
write up?).

Regards,
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK Quarterly Project ideas

[Jez Nicholson]

By the way, your ideas, no matter how raw, are welcome on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:UK_Quarterly_Project at any time.
It also might be a source of ideas for a University, an organisation, or
you as an individual.

Even if it wasn't your idea, it might be a chance to give a passing comment
on Talk-GB a possible future rather than it drifting off into the ether.

Regards,
 Jez
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK Annual Gathering, London, 29 June 2019

[Jez Nicholson]

In true wedding invitation style:

The OSMUK Directors
request the pleasure of your company
at the AGM and Annual Gathering
Saturday, the twenty-ninth of June
two thousand and nineteen
at one o'clock in the afternoon

Newspeak House, 133 Bethnal Green Road, London

Reception (ad-hoc beer and curry) to follow

RSVP
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstreetmap-uk-annual-gathering-tickets-62262798707
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK AGM venue

[Jez Nicholson]

Wikimedia UK have confirmed for 3pm.

I have started a discussion on the schedule at
https://www.loomio.org/d/rnWSF7uZ/osmuk-agm-schedule  Do please join in.

...and remember, if you aren't a member of OSMUK yet then it's only a fiver
https://osmuk.org/become-member/

Regards,
  Jez

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 3:09 PM Jez Nicholson 
wrote:

> ** SAVE THE DATE! **
>
> Official notice to be posted imminently.but 'save the date' for
> Saturday 29 June 2019, 1pm onwards at Newspeak House,
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/478415732
>
> Wikimedia UK are indeed interested in joint activities after the AGM
> portion to hear about OSM and talk about the connections between
> Wikidata/OSM/Mappers/Wikimedians.
>
> Regards,
>  Jez
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:38 PM Jez Nicholson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been to look at the proposed venue for the OSMUK AGM this morning.
>> Newspeak House, very near to Brick Lane in London.
>>
>> The event space is really nice, will cope with 30-80 people and has an
>> adjoining cafe. I'm also told that we can easily nip out to buy bagels from
>> a famous local shop if we want to provide snacks. It should be ideal for an
>> AGM plus any other presentations or discussions we want to arrange.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jnicho02/47014178774/in/photostream
>>
>> I've also met with Wikimedia UK who are interested in joint activities,
>> so will explore any "Wikidata meets OSM" crossover.
>>
>> Regards,
>>Jez
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK AGM venue

[Jez Nicholson]

** SAVE THE DATE! **

Official notice to be posted imminently.but 'save the date' for
Saturday 29 June 2019, 1pm onwards at Newspeak House,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/478415732

Wikimedia UK are indeed interested in joint activities after the AGM
portion to hear about OSM and talk about the connections between
Wikidata/OSM/Mappers/Wikimedians.

Regards,
 Jez

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:38 PM Jez Nicholson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've been to look at the proposed venue for the OSMUK AGM this morning.
> Newspeak House, very near to Brick Lane in London.
>
> The event space is really nice, will cope with 30-80 people and has an
> adjoining cafe. I'm also told that we can easily nip out to buy bagels from
> a famous local shop if we want to provide snacks. It should be ideal for an
> AGM plus any other presentations or discussions we want to arrange.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jnicho02/47014178774/in/photostream
>
> I've also met with Wikimedia UK who are interested in joint activities, so
> will explore any "Wikidata meets OSM" crossover.
>
> Regards,
>Jez
>
>
>
>
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK AGM venue

[Jez Nicholson]

Hi all,

I've been to look at the proposed venue for the OSMUK AGM this morning.
Newspeak House, very near to Brick Lane in London.

The event space is really nice, will cope with 30-80 people and has an
adjoining cafe. I'm also told that we can easily nip out to buy bagels from
a famous local shop if we want to provide snacks. It should be ideal for an
AGM plus any other presentations or discussions we want to arrange.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jnicho02/47014178774/in/photostream

I've also met with Wikimedia UK who are interested in joint activities, so
will explore any "Wikidata meets OSM" crossover.

Regards,
   Jez
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK and the Open Geospatial Data Stimulus Fund

[Mateusz Konieczny]

7 May 2019, 20:22 by ste...@stevenhorner.com:

> I imagine other Council's and public services have similar problems.
>
In Poland it turns out that there is no central fire hydrant database.

For obvious reasons this data is useful for firefighters.

Currently there is some infrastructure used by many firefighters that is
using OSM data (includes geocoding for emergency responders,
routing for firefighters[1] and locating for example fire hydrants near fire
- it seems to be this one: https://www.abakus.net.pl/products/eremiza.html 
 )

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.openstreetmap.dotevo.strazak 

is a specialized editor used solely to add fire hydrants, with some firefighters
contributing.

Person who worked on this project mentioned that some companies that
are maintaining hydrants started to use OSM data because in many cases
it is sole source of data that may help to locate where this things are.

(info based on presentation on State of The Map Poland 2018 
available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j8X5jhZVy4 
 but in Polish,
as presented by the company making said software)

[1] Because as of 2018 government agencies refused to release official road 
data 
for use by firefighters and/or low data quality of official data. During 
presentation
it was mentioned that it may be finally changing so I am not sure whatever OSM
data is still used for routing of at least some firefighters to emergencies.
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK and the Open Geospatial Data Stimulus Fund

[Steven Horner]

I was thinking recently how my local council could use OpenStreetMap.

A couple of months ago I put a freedom of information request in to Durham
County Council in the hope of getting a full list of all Waste Bins in the
area with locations. I wanted to use this as a basis to survey for
OpenStreetMap using Mapillary imagery I've been capturing.

I got an initial file back but it was obvious to me that there was massive
holes in the data. I responded pointing out that whole former Council
districts were missing data and the dats that was there was incomplete or
just wrong. The council conducted an internal review and much as I
suspected they admitted they didn't know where their bins are, the data
they had released was from before the Council became a unitary authority 10
years ago.They are reliant on local staff who empty them, there is no
central database.

In this time of cut backs to council services I would imagine it would be
more important than ever to ensure they have the information electronically
to effectively manage the staff that remain and to not lose knowledge if
staff do leave. This would explain why some bins appear to be forgotten
about and are never emptied.

It would make sense to use OpenStreetMap to record their locations then the
Council would be giving back and the public could help. I have been
intending to get back in touch to suggest how this could work but not had
chance recently. I may not be the best placed person to do this either.

I imagine other Council's and public services have similar problems.

On Tue, 7 May 2019, 13:21 Jez Nicholson,  wrote:

> Behind the scenes, your OSMUK Directors are engaging with various groups
> to raise the profile of OpenStreetMap in the UK. We don't always get to
> shout about it at the time, but here goes...
>
> We now have good rapport with the Open Data Institute (the ODI). This in
> part encouraged them to send 2 representatives to State of the Map in Milan
> on a fact-finding mission. They then included OSM as a data source for
> their Open Geospatial Data Stimulus Fund which gave grants to joint
> public/private sector Open Data projects.
> https://theodi.org/article/the-projects-were-funding-to-explore-open-geospatial-data-in-local-government/
>
> We were contacted by thinkWhere on Fairer Falkirk
> http://futurescot.com/fairer-falkirk-thinkwhere/, and Open Data
> Manchester on Mapping Mobility Stockport
> https://medium.com/@opendatamcr/mapping-mobility-in-stockport-1a099758a1eb to
> help them understand how they could use, and add to OSM.
>
> Open Data Manchester have done a great job with making OSM approachable to
> the public through 'Joy Diversion' which I believe they have run 5 times
> now, and an Intro to OSM workshop.
>
> Our key message is that the public sector can benefit by creating and
> enhancing data held in OSM as well as consuming it. e.g. why build your own
> database of local libraries when instead you could budget to improve the
> data held in OSM?
>
> I'll put my trumpet down now ;)
>
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK and the Open Geospatial Data Stimulus Fund

[Jez Nicholson]

Behind the scenes, your OSMUK Directors are engaging with various groups to
raise the profile of OpenStreetMap in the UK. We don't always get to shout
about it at the time, but here goes...

We now have good rapport with the Open Data Institute (the ODI). This in
part encouraged them to send 2 representatives to State of the Map in Milan
on a fact-finding mission. They then included OSM as a data source for
their Open Geospatial Data Stimulus Fund which gave grants to joint
public/private sector Open Data projects.
https://theodi.org/article/the-projects-were-funding-to-explore-open-geospatial-data-in-local-government/

We were contacted by thinkWhere on Fairer Falkirk
http://futurescot.com/fairer-falkirk-thinkwhere/, and Open Data Manchester
on Mapping Mobility Stockport
https://medium.com/@opendatamcr/mapping-mobility-in-stockport-1a099758a1eb to
help them understand how they could use, and add to OSM.

Open Data Manchester have done a great job with making OSM approachable to
the public through 'Joy Diversion' which I believe they have run 5 times
now, and an Intro to OSM workshop.

Our key message is that the public sector can benefit by creating and
enhancing data held in OSM as well as consuming it. e.g. why build your own
database of local libraries when instead you could budget to improve the
data held in OSM?

I'll put my trumpet down now ;)

Regards,
  Jez
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK corporate membership and listing on website

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Two OSM UK items:

1. Corporate membership
We have started sending out messages to potential corporate members. The
aim is to get sufficient funds to cover our ongoing costs - administrative
and community (e.g. website, events, subsidising services that support the
community).

If you would like to help sending out emails we would really appreciate
your help. Please let me know.

2. Listings on website
We have been slowly adding to the website. Under help we would like to
point to community help. online resources and professional services.

Run a company/are a consultant that provides support related to OSM? We'd
love to list you on our website. No need to be a corporate member.
*/Just drop me an email so I can arrange this.

Thanks,
*Rob*
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[Rob Nickerson]

That's quite petty - I'm sure folk know what is meant. It is also the same
as the OSMF's sign up:
https://join.osmfoundation.org/normal-membership/

I'll amend next time I log in to the site. Focusing on the quarterly
project now :-)

*Rob*

On 7 January 2017 at 13:04, SK53  wrote:

> It's just been pointed out on IRC that the form requires people to enter
> "City": many of us do not live in cities.
>
> I presume that what is desired here is what Royal Mail call "Postal Town"
> as it is a mandatory field. Please can this be corrected so the people who
> live in the countryside, villages and towns dont feel they've been
> translocated to the US.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 7 January 2017 at 12:26, Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brian,
>>
>> The member sign up form is now online. This is for normal members only -
>> for (non-voting) associate members such as companies, please use the email
>> address instead. Everything you need is is http://osmuk.org/
>>
>> We have 16 members so far. Can't remember if you already signed up? Don't
>> worry just pop your details is again and we will sort it all out :-D
>>
>> The first meeting will be online + in-person. The formal parts will be
>> online at which point we will close the formal proceedings. This will be
>> followed by an informal meeting in which we hope to run a facilitated
>> session to explore ideas for the company. We will recap the aims of the
>> company, understand why we feel we are not meeting them at the moment (root
>> cause analysis) and then open for solutions/project ideas.
>>
>> The informal part will work best in person but I will see what we can do
>> in advance online (in February).
>>
>> *Rob*
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[SK53]

It's just been pointed out on IRC that the form requires people to enter
"City": many of us do not live in cities.

I presume that what is desired here is what Royal Mail call "Postal Town"
as it is a mandatory field. Please can this be corrected so the people who
live in the countryside, villages and towns dont feel they've been
translocated to the US.

Jerry

On 7 January 2017 at 12:26, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

> Thanks Brian,
>
> The member sign up form is now online. This is for normal members only -
> for (non-voting) associate members such as companies, please use the email
> address instead. Everything you need is is http://osmuk.org/
>
> We have 16 members so far. Can't remember if you already signed up? Don't
> worry just pop your details is again and we will sort it all out :-D
>
> The first meeting will be online + in-person. The formal parts will be
> online at which point we will close the formal proceedings. This will be
> followed by an informal meeting in which we hope to run a facilitated
> session to explore ideas for the company. We will recap the aims of the
> company, understand why we feel we are not meeting them at the moment (root
> cause analysis) and then open for solutions/project ideas.
>
> The informal part will work best in person but I will see what we can do
> in advance online (in February).
>
> *Rob*
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[Rob Nickerson]

Thanks Brian,

The member sign up form is now online. This is for normal members only -
for (non-voting) associate members such as companies, please use the email
address instead. Everything you need is is http://osmuk.org/

We have 16 members so far. Can't remember if you already signed up? Don't
worry just pop your details is again and we will sort it all out :-D

The first meeting will be online + in-person. The formal parts will be
online at which point we will close the formal proceedings. This will be
followed by an informal meeting in which we hope to run a facilitated
session to explore ideas for the company. We will recap the aims of the
company, understand why we feel we are not meeting them at the moment (root
cause analysis) and then open for solutions/project ideas.

The informal part will work best in person but I will see what we can do in
advance online (in February).

*Rob*
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK CIC Ltd

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

The bureacratic engine to make this a living organism is winding up. The
discussions prior to our first legal meeting (still sometime away - members
will get the due legal notice) are occurring here on Loomio.


It looks likely that our first meeting which will be to decide all the
legal stuff (e.g bank account, financial year end, membership fees, elect
new directors, affiliation to OSMF etc.) will be online.

You'll need to have been a member for  a clear 30 days before this first
meeting in order to be able to vote. We'll have an online signup for
membership up and running soon. Membership will have to be free until the
first meeting.

Our aim is to have had this first meeting before the end of March 2017

Regards

Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 7 July 2016 at 17:10, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> Great to see so much enthusiasm for a website and associated tools.
[snip]
> Where have we got to with domain name?

OSMF already have openstreetmap.org.uk
(http://www.nominet.uk/whois/?query=openstreetmap.org.uk#whois-results).
I'm not sure if it's used for anything other than
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/ at the moment. There would be
some advantages to using that address if OSMF would let us. I don't
know if anyone has approached them yet though.

Robert.

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[Brian Prangle]

Great to see so much enthusiasm for a website and associated tools. Before
we go too far down the road of tool selection would anyone care to draw up
a requirements specification?  What do we want the website to look like and
what do we want it do for us? Some from me would include:

Shopfront where you can buy stuff (like HiViz jackets, branded merchandise
etc)
Non-tech mappers should find it easy to contribute
Navigation and screen layout should be for long-term ease of use, i.e crisp
and clean and simple not layered with masses of complexity
Any fancy code should be kept to a minimum for ease of maintenance  and
should be documented and available so we don't fall into the trap down the
line where we're dependent on one person and we're snookered when that
person moves on for whatever reason (bitter experience speaking here)

Perhaps we have an initial "quick and dirty" website just to announce
"We're here" once we're registered at Companies House, whilst we build the
one we really want.

Where have we got to with domain name?

And while we're at it - does anyone fancy organising a logo design
competition? Or just design a few logos for us to choose one?

I think we're probably at the stage for someone to lead this and gather
some volunteer collaborators. Forgive me if someone already volunteered to
do this - it's some time since our last concall.

Regards

Brian

On 5 July 2016 at 12:48, Dennis Bauszus  wrote:

> Yes. We do have hosting. Geolytix is sponsoring a 1GB cloud server with
> DigitalOcean. I have setup the one-click wordpress site for now but we can
> of course setup any combination of apps on that server.
>
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[Dennis Bauszus]

Yes. We do have hosting. Geolytix is sponsoring a 1GB cloud server with 
DigitalOcean. I have setup the one-click wordpress site for now but we 
can of course setup any combination of apps on that server.



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[Adam Hoyle]

My tuppence:

I've not used it, but loomio looks great. If we decide to go with it I'm happy 
to install it somewhere (do we have OSMUK hosting), but if all we need is the 
simple version then $190 per year for their hosted version seems good value 
(and means one less thing to maintain) - https://www.loomio.org/pricing

Personally I'd definitely prefer Wordpress over Blogger, but for purely 
blogging I've noticed a lot of people preferring to post on Medium.com rather 
than hosting their own blog.

Best,

Adam


> On 1 Jul 2016, at 11:10, Christian Ledermann  
> wrote:
> 
> also there is https://openslides.org/ although I think this is
> probably overkill.
> 
> On 1 July 2016 at 11:02, Christian Ledermann
>  wrote:
>> Have you considered/evaluated https://www.discourse.org/ ?
>> I have used it (plone community, OKFN) and am quite fond of it
>> The email integration is very nice, you can get email push
>> notifications and respond to discussions via email.
>> 
>> I have not used loomio yet so I do not know how they compare
>> 
>>> On 30 June 2016 at 18:40, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
>>> BTW here are my notes from when I researched collaboration tools (focused on
>>> communication and decision making, rather than projects)
>>> 
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>> Feel free to add comments.
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> p.s. I'm aware that OSMF use Wordpress, Loomio, Slack (at least the SotM WG
>>> have started with this although my own research suggested Fleep may be
>>> better). If you know more, please share.
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>> 
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>> 
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>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> 
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>> 
>> 
>> <*)))>{
>> 
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>> 
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>> 
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>> 
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>> 
>> }<(((*>
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Christian Ledermann]

also there is https://openslides.org/ although I think this is
probably overkill.

On 1 July 2016 at 11:02, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> Have you considered/evaluated https://www.discourse.org/ ?
> I have used it (plone community, OKFN) and am quite fond of it
> The email integration is very nice, you can get email push
> notifications and respond to discussions via email.
>
> I have not used loomio yet so I do not know how they compare
>
> On 30 June 2016 at 18:40, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
>> BTW here are my notes from when I researched collaboration tools (focused on
>> communication and decision making, rather than projects)
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Feel free to add comments.
>>
>> Rob
>> p.s. I'm aware that OSMF use Wordpress, Loomio, Slack (at least the SotM WG
>> have started with this although my own research suggested Fleep may be
>> better). If you know more, please share.
>>
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>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
> }<(((*>



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If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Christian Ledermann]

Have you considered/evaluated https://www.discourse.org/ ?
I have used it (plone community, OKFN) and am quite fond of it
The email integration is very nice, you can get email push
notifications and respond to discussions via email.

I have not used loomio yet so I do not know how they compare

On 30 June 2016 at 18:40, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> BTW here are my notes from when I researched collaboration tools (focused on
> communication and decision making, rather than projects)
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Feel free to add comments.
>
> Rob
> p.s. I'm aware that OSMF use Wordpress, Loomio, Slack (at least the SotM WG
> have started with this although my own research suggested Fleep may be
> better). If you know more, please share.
>
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If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Rob Nickerson]

BTW here are my notes from when I researched collaboration tools (focused
on communication and decision making, rather than projects)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing

Feel free to add comments.

*Rob*
p.s. I'm aware that OSMF use Wordpress, Loomio, Slack (at least the SotM WG
have started with this although my own research suggested Fleep may be
better). If you know more, please share.
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Rob Nickerson]

>I actually just created a poll for the most suitable web platform for
OSMUK.
>
>- Community Blog (blogger)
>- Static Webpage
>- Wiki
>- Loomio
>- Slack (i don't really get it)
>- Maillist (talk-gb)
>

Thanks Dennis,

To be clear, I'm not saying that Loomio should be our only web presence -
in fact, far from it. I prefer it as a tool for discussions that will
ultimately need some form of decision. Way too often I see people coming to
the mailing list asking for agreement to do something or opinion on
something and we bombard them with so many confusing messages their spirits
get eroded. Loomio can help us to develop a discussion in to a final
recommendation.

For the main website, I feel Wordpress may be better than blogger. Over the
years we have had both at Mappa Mercia and my preference is Wordpress. It
does community blog well but can be so much more. You can easily add
webpages, maps etc. For reference mappa-mercia.org is on wordpress and It's
also used by the OSMF and their CWG. This is however something we can
discuss.

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Dennis Bauszus]

On 29/06/2016 19:57, Rob Nickerson wrote:

So here is my 100 day plan (the first general meeting is a given so not
included here):

1. Create a portal for discussion and decision making.

I hate to tell you but talk-gb sucks. In fact mailing lists in general
suck. They work well for techy people but don't appeal to Aunty Jane. If
we want to expand our community beyond our current group we need to
appeal to a less techy audience. Several months ago I looked at all
sorts of platforms many of which are great for discussions and sharing
info (e.g. slack, fleep, gitter, facebook) but very few are good for
group decision making. If we want this project to be a group one (and we
should) rather than a director project then a decision making tool will
help.

I recommend Loomio and it is therefore my first 100 day task. We can
host on their site (like the OSMF do) or self host.

Any volunteers for self hosting? See:
https://github.com/loomio/loomio-deploy

I will set a group up in a few days unless somebody offers to deploy to
their server.


2. Run a competition for ideas (with money to pay for their implementation)

Once a discussion and decision making tool has been set up lets share
ideas. Give a certain amount of time and then pick a winner! The
following are essentially my suggestions to such a competition.


3. Website
We need to start thinking about our website. Whatever we develop has to
cover off our objectives. A big front page map (like openstreetmap.org
) will not in my opinion do that. I prefer a
website such as http://switch2osm.org , http://openstreetmap.de/ , or
http://mappa-mercia.org

Do others agree?


4. Promote the quarterly projects
We've seen that these can be successful but we need a crack team of
people to help promote these. Let's set up such a team.


5. Regional champions
We need to spread the work. If we could have a Chairperson committed to
OSM UK as their day job then great. If not, then let's split the work
and build a community of regional champions.


6. Get a newsletter going
We've set one of these up for State of the Map (via mailchimp) and now
have over 500 people subscribed. Communication requires ongoing work but
I'd put it in the list of top few tasks.


7. Buy some equipment and loan it out.
OSM previously loaned out GPS devices. We could do the same but expand
it to GoPro cameras (for mapillary style mapping), laser distance
measuring devices (useful for building heights), etc..


Regards,
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I agree with Rob. Maillists are terrible. For all the good which OSGB 
does, outreach is certainly not a mailchimp strength.


I still believe that a community blog is the way forward at this stage. 
There are poll and mail widgets on blogger or wordpress. I personally 
prefer blogger as it is already hosted but we can also host a free 
wordpress blog on OpenShift. We can also host a wiki but do we have 
enough content to justify a wiki. This is probably something for further 
down the line. Static websites are good for companies but not really for 
a community organisation.


There are poll and mail list widgets on blogger. Other javascript 
widgets are also available.


I actually just created a poll for the most suitable web platform for OSMUK.

- Community Blog (blogger)
- Static Webpage
- Wiki
- Loomio
- Slack (i don't really get it)
- Maillist (talk-gb)

Have a look and vote on

https://osmuk.blogspot.co.uk/

Please drop me a mail if you want to be a moderator and post stuff. It 
would be nice if people give it a try and post some information. Rob, 
can you post your roadmap please?


Being tied up with work myself right now but plan to do a post about the 
OSM projects my company is currently doing.


I can also sort out a maillist widget for OSMUK next week.

Best,
Dennis


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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Rob Nickerson]

So here is my 100 day plan (the first general meeting is a given so not
included here):

1. Create a portal for discussion and decision making.

I hate to tell you but talk-gb sucks. In fact mailing lists in general
suck. They work well for techy people but don't appeal to Aunty Jane. If we
want to expand our community beyond our current group we need to appeal to
a less techy audience. Several months ago I looked at all sorts of
platforms many of which are great for discussions and sharing info (e.g.
slack, fleep, gitter, facebook) but very few are good for group decision
making. If we want this project to be a group one (and we should) rather
than a director project then a decision making tool will help.

I recommend Loomio and it is therefore my first 100 day task. We can host
on their site (like the OSMF do) or self host.

Any volunteers for self hosting? See:
https://github.com/loomio/loomio-deploy

I will set a group up in a few days unless somebody offers to deploy to
their server.


2. Run a competition for ideas (with money to pay for their implementation)

Once a discussion and decision making tool has been set up lets share
ideas. Give a certain amount of time and then pick a winner! The following
are essentially my suggestions to such a competition.


3. Website
We need to start thinking about our website. Whatever we develop has to
cover off our objectives. A big front page map (like openstreetmap.org)
will not in my opinion do that. I prefer a website such as
http://switch2osm.org , http://openstreetmap.de/ , or
http://mappa-mercia.org

Do others agree?


4. Promote the quarterly projects
We've seen that these can be successful but we need a crack team of people
to help promote these. Let's set up such a team.


5. Regional champions
We need to spread the work. If we could have a Chairperson committed to OSM
UK as their day job then great. If not, then let's split the work and build
a community of regional champions.


6. Get a newsletter going
We've set one of these up for State of the Map (via mailchimp) and now have
over 500 people subscribed. Communication requires ongoing work but I'd put
it in the list of top few tasks.


7. Buy some equipment and loan it out.
OSM previously loaned out GPS devices. We could do the same but expand it
to GoPro cameras (for mapillary style mapping), laser distance measuring
devices (useful for building heights), etc..


Regards,
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Philip Barnes]

On Wed, 2016-06-29 at 18:55 +0100, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> Unity Trust has also been recommended to us. They support online
> signing with definable limits and multiple signatories, and don't
> charge a fee.
> 
> https://www.unity.co.uk/
> 
The ramblers use unity trust, each group is supposed to. Seems to work
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[Rob Nickerson]

Unity Trust has also been recommended to us. They support online signing
with definable limits and multiple signatories, and don't charge a fee.

https://www.unity.co.uk/

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Jez Nicholson]

I have taken the liberty of asking my online accountant, Crunch, whether
they would do a freebie/discount for a CIC. They would be able to sort out
banking as they get a small referral fee.

A number of banks do special accounts for CICs but I don't see a huge
difference between them and business startup accounts. Perhaps in that CIC
account might never have a monthly fee whereas a business account may start
paying after a couple of years.

https://www.metrobankonline.co.uk/Commercial/Bank-Accounts/Community-Accounts-for-Clubs-Societies-and-Charities/

http://www.co-operativebank.co.uk/business/community/community-directplus

CIC banking charges involve a percentage on monies paid in over a certain
value, e.g. 0.5% on payments of over £10k made in a month (a £50 charge per
£10k paid in isn't exorbitant), or transactions over a certain value, e.g.
20p for every cheque after 200 in a month, and of course overdrafts at 25%
but I am not expecting us to ever have one.

Regards,
  Jez

On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 at 12:36 Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> The final Articles of Association have now been available
>  for
> some weeks and have attracted no comments, so I think it's safe to say we
> can go ahead now and start the process of incorporation. We have 5 names
> for interim directors (i.e legally necessary for incorportaion but all
> standing down at an initial meeting so that an election can take
> place).They are me, Rob Nickerson, Adam Hoyle, Greg Marler and Robert
> Whittaker. (Others have indicated a willingness -if your name is not here
> don't worry - you're not being excluded from the operational organisation -
> just stand for election at the first meeting. Also if your name is here and
> shouldn't be let me know)
>
> Thankyou to everyone who participated in getting us this far, it wasn't
> the most inspiring of tasks examining the fine detail of an Articles of
> Association document, and we'd all rather have been mapping.
>
> From now on it's just background boring bureaucratic stuff getting the
> documents ready, legally reviewed, signed  and off to Companies House and
> setting up a bank account. Suggestions for a preferred bank welcome. I'll
> keep everyone up to date as to where we are.
>
> Rather than wait for this process to complete  I think we should start
> discussing what we want to do as an organisation: what priorities we should
> have, maybe  a 100 day kickoff plan. To remind everyone, these are our
> agreed objectives:
>
>- increase the quality and quantity of data about the UK in
>OpenStreetMap;
>- improve and increase the size, skills, toolsets and cohesion of the
>OpenStreetMap community in the United Kingdom;
>- promote and facilitate the use of OpenStreetMap data by individuals
>and organisations in the United Kingdom;
>- promote and facilitate the release by organisations in the United
>Kingdom of data that is suitable for use in OpenStreetMap.
>
>
> We still have some organisational stuff to agree, like what should the
> membership fees be, what classes of members should there be; when where and
> how do we organise our first meeting; and so on and so forth
>
> Let's get some discussion going here and when we've accumulated enough
> comment, we can organise another conference call.
>
> Regards
>
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

The final Articles of Association have now been available
 for
some weeks and have attracted no comments, so I think it's safe to say we
can go ahead now and start the process of incorporation. We have 5 names
for interim directors (i.e legally necessary for incorportaion but all
standing down at an initial meeting so that an election can take
place).They are me, Rob Nickerson, Adam Hoyle, Greg Marler and Robert
Whittaker. (Others have indicated a willingness -if your name is not here
don't worry - you're not being excluded from the operational organisation -
just stand for election at the first meeting. Also if your name is here and
shouldn't be let me know)

Thankyou to everyone who participated in getting us this far, it wasn't the
most inspiring of tasks examining the fine detail of an Articles of
Association document, and we'd all rather have been mapping.

>From now on it's just background boring bureaucratic stuff getting the
documents ready, legally reviewed, signed  and off to Companies House and
setting up a bank account. Suggestions for a preferred bank welcome. I'll
keep everyone up to date as to where we are.

Rather than wait for this process to complete  I think we should start
discussing what we want to do as an organisation: what priorities we should
have, maybe  a 100 day kickoff plan. To remind everyone, these are our
agreed objectives:

   - increase the quality and quantity of data about the UK in
   OpenStreetMap;
   - improve and increase the size, skills, toolsets and cohesion of the
   OpenStreetMap community in the United Kingdom;
   - promote and facilitate the use of OpenStreetMap data by individuals
   and organisations in the United Kingdom;
   - promote and facilitate the release by organisations in the United
   Kingdom of data that is suitable for use in OpenStreetMap.


We still have some organisational stuff to agree, like what should the
membership fees be, what classes of members should there be; when where and
how do we organise our first meeting; and so on and so forth

Let's get some discussion going here and when we've accumulated enough
comment, we can organise another conference call.

Regards

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK AoA Directors Powers

[Gregory]

Jerry,

Is it possible to reference powers needed to fulfill the objectives of the
company (i.e. article 5 of the AoA) rather than(or in addition to)
"obligations & resolution of the members"? Or is already effectively what
option 6 is?

It would seem more sensible/normal to me.
E.g. With the objective to promote use of OSM in the UK, the directors
could decide they need a website and pay fees for hosting (in turn, decide
they need a bank account, etc), and they can just get that done.
If the membership disagree with having a website, they can call for the AOA
to be changed/amended "promote ... excluding through the use of a website"
without that process seeming like such a direct attack of trusting the
directors.
*Actually, thinking about it this all seems like option 3?*

*Key points though...*
1) Hopefully the majority of directors will be sensible and will stop money
being spent on "Uncle Geoff's Money Laundering Web Host Inc.".
2) Ultimately the directors spend/power is limited by funds. Funds are
limited by membership & open donations/sponsorship, so members could make
public statements/contact "Stop giving money to that OSM UK bunch, they
don't represent the me/us and they're dodgy". Any behind the scenes funds
or lack of budget/spend reporting, and we have other/bigger problems to
worry about.


Gregory.

On 21 April 2016 at 22:49, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> I had never considered that a pony may be in the offing...
>
> And the web site example is good. There needs to be a balance between
> getting things done by paying a reasonable amount and Directors going crazy
> with the cash. Checks and balances.
>
> How do we choose between the options?
>
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:00 SK53,  wrote:
>
>> A small document setting out a range of options for the Directors
>> Authority clause.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Directors Powers Options
>>
>>
>> The basic boilerplate text of the Articles of Association provides that
>> Directors can exercise all the powers of the Company. In initial
>> discussions there was a strong consensus that OSM UK should be member led:
>> broadly that most or all iniatives should orginate with the membership,
>> with the Directors doing necessary work to facilitate such things.
>>
>>
>> To take a simple example: I would presume OSMUK would want a website.
>> Agreeing that a website is wanted & needed, then the Directors would need
>> to have powers to agree a contract & pay the fees, which in turn implies a
>> bank account etc. Allowing Directors full powers may mean that OSM UK
>> follows the interests & desires of the Directors rather than those of the
>> Members. In Rob Nickerson's original survey they were a range of things
>> suggested and different levels of approval for them.
>>
>>
>> The problem of restricting Directors' powers is that it is not always
>> clear what powers they may need to perform various tasks.
>>
>>
>> We can split powers into a number of different categories:
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>Basic powers needed to run the company as a going concern: ability to
>>have a bank account, pay bills etc.
>>-
>>
>>Entering into contracts. Necessary for many routine activities of a
>>company, but others may not be routine.
>>-
>>
>>Initiating projects.
>>
>>
>> So far I have conceived of a number of different ways we can express this
>> in the AoA:
>>
>>
>>
>>1.
>>
>>*Full powers*. Standard boilerplate text. Easy to do. Downside is
>>that removing powers may require alterations to AoA, and furthermore
>>restricting Directors' powers is quite likely to end up being contentious.
>>Any such process will appear to be a group of members not trusting the
>>Directors.
>>2.
>>
>>*No powers*. Powers need to be conferred explicitly by the Members.
>>This is the current draft. Downside is that it is likely to limit 
>> Directors
>>far too much. Such limitation is likely to be particularly troublesome at
>>the outset.
>>3.
>>
>>*No powers except those needed for Directors to fulfill legal &
>>fiduciary duties*. Basically an additional clause added to current
>>draft. This is an attempt to allow Directors to do necessary things but 
>> not
>>unnecessary ones. Likely to readily twisted for any purpose.
>>4.
>>
>>*Full powers limited for a term*. As current draft but Directors
>>given full powers until the first AGM. Directors would be expected to
>>propose which powers they need at the first AGM.
>>5.
>>
>>*Full powers, renewable at the AGM*. Again slightly limiting powers &
>>putting onus on Directors to use them responsibly. Downside is that if
>>powers are not renewed then back in same problem area of 2.
>>6.
>>
>>*Powers need to fulfill obligations & resolution of the members*. A
>>variant of 3, but phrased so that if the Membership votes for everyone to
>>have a pony; Directors are implicitly granted such powers 

Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK AoA Directors Powers

[Jez Nicholson]

I had never considered that a pony may be in the offing...

And the web site example is good. There needs to be a balance between
getting things done by paying a reasonable amount and Directors going crazy
with the cash. Checks and balances.

How do we choose between the options?

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:00 SK53,  wrote:

> A small document setting out a range of options for the Directors
> Authority clause.
>
> Jerry
>
> Directors Powers Options
>
>
> The basic boilerplate text of the Articles of Association provides that
> Directors can exercise all the powers of the Company. In initial
> discussions there was a strong consensus that OSM UK should be member led:
> broadly that most or all iniatives should orginate with the membership,
> with the Directors doing necessary work to facilitate such things.
>
>
> To take a simple example: I would presume OSMUK would want a website.
> Agreeing that a website is wanted & needed, then the Directors would need
> to have powers to agree a contract & pay the fees, which in turn implies a
> bank account etc. Allowing Directors full powers may mean that OSM UK
> follows the interests & desires of the Directors rather than those of the
> Members. In Rob Nickerson's original survey they were a range of things
> suggested and different levels of approval for them.
>
>
> The problem of restricting Directors' powers is that it is not always
> clear what powers they may need to perform various tasks.
>
>
> We can split powers into a number of different categories:
>
>
>
>-
>
>Basic powers needed to run the company as a going concern: ability to
>have a bank account, pay bills etc.
>-
>
>Entering into contracts. Necessary for many routine activities of a
>company, but others may not be routine.
>-
>
>Initiating projects.
>
>
> So far I have conceived of a number of different ways we can express this
> in the AoA:
>
>
>
>1.
>
>*Full powers*. Standard boilerplate text. Easy to do. Downside is that
>removing powers may require alterations to AoA, and furthermore restricting
>Directors' powers is quite likely to end up being contentious. Any such
>process will appear to be a group of members not trusting the Directors.
>2.
>
>*No powers*. Powers need to be conferred explicitly by the Members.
>This is the current draft. Downside is that it is likely to limit Directors
>far too much. Such limitation is likely to be particularly troublesome at
>the outset.
>3.
>
>*No powers except those needed for Directors to fulfill legal &
>fiduciary duties*. Basically an additional clause added to current
>draft. This is an attempt to allow Directors to do necessary things but not
>unnecessary ones. Likely to readily twisted for any purpose.
>4.
>
>*Full powers limited for a term*. As current draft but Directors given
>full powers until the first AGM. Directors would be expected to propose
>which powers they need at the first AGM.
>5.
>
>*Full powers, renewable at the AGM*. Again slightly limiting powers &
>putting onus on Directors to use them responsibly. Downside is that if
>powers are not renewed then back in same problem area of 2.
>6.
>
>*Powers need to fulfill obligations & resolution of the members*. A
>variant of 3, but phrased so that if the Membership votes for everyone to
>have a pony; Directors are implicitly granted such powers as needed to
>acquire & distribute said ponies.
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK AoA Directors Powers

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A small document setting out a range of options for the Directors Authority
clause.

Jerry

Directors Powers Options


The basic boilerplate text of the Articles of Association provides that
Directors can exercise all the powers of the Company. In initial
discussions there was a strong consensus that OSM UK should be member led:
broadly that most or all iniatives should orginate with the membership,
with the Directors doing necessary work to facilitate such things.


To take a simple example: I would presume OSMUK would want a website.
Agreeing that a website is wanted & needed, then the Directors would need
to have powers to agree a contract & pay the fees, which in turn implies a
bank account etc. Allowing Directors full powers may mean that OSM UK
follows the interests & desires of the Directors rather than those of the
Members. In Rob Nickerson's original survey they were a range of things
suggested and different levels of approval for them.


The problem of restricting Directors' powers is that it is not always clear
what powers they may need to perform various tasks.


We can split powers into a number of different categories:



   -

   Basic powers needed to run the company as a going concern: ability to
   have a bank account, pay bills etc.
   -

   Entering into contracts. Necessary for many routine activities of a
   company, but others may not be routine.
   -

   Initiating projects.


So far I have conceived of a number of different ways we can express this
in the AoA:



   1.

   *Full powers*. Standard boilerplate text. Easy to do. Downside is that
   removing powers may require alterations to AoA, and furthermore restricting
   Directors' powers is quite likely to end up being contentious. Any such
   process will appear to be a group of members not trusting the Directors.
   2.

   *No powers*. Powers need to be conferred explicitly by the Members. This
   is the current draft. Downside is that it is likely to limit Directors far
   too much. Such limitation is likely to be particularly troublesome at the
   outset.
   3.

   *No powers except those needed for Directors to fulfill legal &
   fiduciary duties*. Basically an additional clause added to current
   draft. This is an attempt to allow Directors to do necessary things but not
   unnecessary ones. Likely to readily twisted for any purpose.
   4.

   *Full powers limited for a term*. As current draft but Directors given
   full powers until the first AGM. Directors would be expected to propose
   which powers they need at the first AGM.
   5.

   *Full powers, renewable at the AGM*. Again slightly limiting powers &
   putting onus on Directors to use them responsibly. Downside is that if
   powers are not renewed then back in same problem area of 2.
   6.

   *Powers need to fulfill obligations & resolution of the members*. A
   variant of 3, but phrased so that if the Membership votes for everyone to
   have a pony; Directors are implicitly granted such powers as needed to
   acquire & distribute said ponies.
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