Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-11-01 Thread jonathan
Form over function, the scourge of modern society. http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/11/2015 10:18, tony wroblewski wrote: The current problem I see with the new default style is that it's very very difficult to now plan routes on a zoomed out map. I can't clearly see, for example, what is or isn't

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-11-01 Thread Lester Caine
On 31/10/15 21:51, Frederik Ramm wrote: > As for the remainder of your posting, about a "single base" and how all > this is somehow related to a few colours changing on the osm.org map, I > think you lost me there. Answered the colour problem in the thread on New Map Style. The problem with

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-11-01 Thread Dave F.
On 31/10/2015 19:51, Frederik Ramm wrote: We must not allow ourselves to feel like we are a commercial service provider[*] I thought the main reason for this rerender /was/ to be more like them, to appease the 'why doesn't it look like Google' brigade. As Fredrick points out we're (almost)

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-11-01 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:18 AM, tony wroblewski wrote: > or isn't a motorway and I think it's almost universally accepted (In > Europe at least), that motorways are shown in blue. > In Belgium international motorways (E-roads, e.g. E19) are indicated with white on

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Marc Gemis
You could try to contact Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr He understands English. regards m On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > On 31/10/15 02:21, Steve Doerr wrote: > > Lester, > > > > In the short term, would substituting

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 31 October 2015 at 03:09, Lester Caine wrote: > new indistinguishable rendering primary routes and motorways For my information, could you take the test on http://enchroma.com/test/instructions/ and tell me what it says? It's ok if you prefer to respond off-list. --

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Andy Townsend
On 31/10/2015 02:09, Lester Caine wrote: OK ... what do we need to do to get a working UK map again? Simply put, if you're relying on a remote resource staying the same over time (perhaps you're selling services based on that resource and don't want the customer re-education cost of a future

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Ed Loach
Lester wrote: > Bing and Google are almost useless, and the new indistinguishable > rendering primary routes and motorways on OSM once everything > finally > re-renders are going to be useless as well. As I just posted on talk, I was attached to the old colour scheme and didn't want it to

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread SK53
Christian's Carto-CSS stylesheets are on github here https://github.com/cquest/osmfr-cartocss. Jerry On 31 October 2015 at 06:39, Marc Gemis wrote: > You could try to contact Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr > He understands English. > > regards > > m > > On Sat,

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Lester Caine
On 31/10/15 07:39, Ed Loach wrote: >> Bing and Google are almost useless, and the new indistinguishable >> > rendering primary routes and motorways on OSM once everything >> > finally >> > re-renders are going to be useless as well. > As I just posted on talk, I was attached to the old colour

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lester Caine wrote: > while switch2osm may well produce a working system for > some ... I have to also support current paying traffic on the > hardware and that prevents running too many different > competing web services. You can run a tileserver for the UK on a £10/month virtual machine. If

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Lester Caine
On 31/10/15 15:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> while switch2osm may well produce a working system for >> > some ... I have to also support current paying traffic on the >> > hardware and that prevents running too many different >> > competing web services. > You can run a tileserver for the UK

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Andy Allan
On 31 October 2015 at 15:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Lester Caine wrote: >> while switch2osm may well produce a working system for >> some ... I have to also support current paying traffic on the >> hardware and that prevents running too many different >> competing web

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/31/2015 08:10 PM, Andy Allan wrote: > It's the constant moaning whenever something changes that annoys me > most. All the effort that volunteers put in to create and improve the > style, to run the servers, to write the blog posts and announcements > and all we get from Lester is moan

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Lester Caine
On 31/10/15 19:51, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> It's the constant moaning whenever something changes that annoys me >> > most. All the effort that volunteers put in to create and improve the >> > style, to run the servers, to write the blog posts and announcements >> > and all we get from Lester is

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/31/2015 10:24 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > My only complaint is that many decisions are still unilateral rather > than considered. I'd say they are considered - but by those who do the work, not by the general public who might also have an opinion. The amount of consideration that has

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-31 Thread Lester Caine
On 31/10/15 09:27, Matthijs Melissen wrote: >> new indistinguishable rendering primary routes and motorways > For my information, could you take the test on > http://enchroma.com/test/instructions/ and tell me what it says? It's > ok if you prefer to respond off-list. I have Normal 'Color' Vision

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-30 Thread Steve Doerr
Lester, In the short term, would substituting http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/ solve your rendering problems? Steve On 31/10/2015 02:09, Lester Caine wrote: OK ... what do we need to do to get a working UK map again? Bing and Google are almost useless, and the new indistinguishable rendering

Re: [Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-30 Thread Lester Caine
On 31/10/15 02:21, Steve Doerr wrote: > Lester, > > In the short term, would substituting http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/ > solve your rendering problems? Interesting thought ... that actually solves one of the todo items on my own style sheet tweaks in that the French version actually shows the

[Talk-GB] Restoring a usable map service!

2015-10-30 Thread Lester Caine
OK ... what do we need to do to get a working UK map again? Bing and Google are almost useless, and the new indistinguishable rendering primary routes and motorways on OSM once everything finally re-renders are going to be useless as well. I've just spent another couple of hours trying to