Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?
On 31/01/2020 20:07, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: But that's not a parking spot. Because a vehicle just happens to be there, it doesn't make it one. By your logic we should be tagging pavements as such, because lazy drivers think they're entitled to break the law. But that was my whole point. No it's not a designated car park or a layby so it shouldn't be tagged as one. But it is something. What? Physically it could be described as highway=passing_place but those are not intended to be blocked with parked vehicles. There is also highway=yes verge=yes The wiki says "Existence of verges may indicate scope for informal parking of cars in rural areas." How to tag that there is in fact sufficient space to leave a car? It's not illegal to leave a vehicle on the highway provided it is not causing an obstruction and there are no parking restrictions. cheers, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?
On 31/01/2020 11:41, Martin Wynne wrote: On 31/01/2020 11:13, ael wrote: OK. I agree that parking=layby is much better. Thanks for the comments. But the places I was asking about can't really be called laybys, or car parks. Somewhere that a car could be left for a few hours out of anyone's way on an otherwise long narrow lane: https://goo.gl/maps/nSTAbnE4nYXTBAz59 But that's not a parking spot. Because a vehicle just happens to be there, it doesn't make it one. By your logic we should be tagging pavements as such, because lazy drivers think they're entitled to break the law. DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?
On 31/01/2020 11:41, Martin Wynne wrote: But the places I was asking about can't really be called laybys, or car parks. Somewhere that a car could be left for a few hours out of anyone's way on an otherwise long narrow lane: https://goo.gl/maps/nSTAbnE4nYXTBAz59 That's a really good example, actually - it's a grassy area by a hedge that isn't blocking anywhere, but which might not be appropriate depending on the vehicle or the weather. The vehicle parked in the picture is probably a 4WD with reasonable ground clearance. What I normally ask myself is "would I suggest to anyone else that they park here, regardless of weather, season or vehicle"? If the answer is "yes" I'll map it as amenity=parking + some appropriate other tags (perhaps with a surface tag if it's mud or gravel). If not I'll probably not add it to OSM at all but leave it as personal marker that I might use myself if necessary. Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?
On 31/01/2020 12:24, Andy G Wood wrote: For me the most logical is amenity=parking as a node. But "amenity" suggests something specifically provided for the purpose? Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?
On Friday, 31 January 2020 11:41:41 GMT Martin Wynne wrote: > On 31/01/2020 11:13, ael wrote: > > OK. I agree that parking=layby is much better. > > Thanks for the comments. > But the places I was asking about can't really be called laybys, or car > parks. Somewhere that a car could be left for a few hours out of > anyone's way on an otherwise long narrow lane: > https://goo.gl/maps/nSTAbnE4nYXTBAz59 > It would be very helpful for country walkers to be able to locate such > places from a map in advance of a visit. But how to tag them? If a car is left for any length of time then it is parked ;-) For me the most logical is amenity=parking as a node. Andy. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?
On 31/01/2020 11:13, ael wrote: OK. I agree that parking=layby is much better. Thanks for the comments. But the places I was asking about can't really be called laybys, or car parks. Somewhere that a car could be left for a few hours out of anyone's way on an otherwise long narrow lane: https://goo.gl/maps/nSTAbnE4nYXTBAz59 It would be very helpful for country walkers to be able to locate such places from a map in advance of a visit. But how to tag them? Thanks, Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?
On 30/01/2020 18:58, ael wrote: On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 06:14:44PM +, Martin Wynne wrote: -- even if it is, highway=layby appears to be an abandoned proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Lay-by That was a proposal for "highway=layby". "layby" does get used as a value: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=layby#values but parking=layby is the most common tag/value combination for it in the UK. Well, I call them (informal) laybys, and they are far too important to miss off the map. Layby is the obvious UK term, so I use highway=rest_area rest_area=layby. I wouldn't personally tag something that's just a layby (or even less than that) as highway=rest_area; I'd save that tag for things that look more like the picture at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=rest%20area?uselang=en-GB . From memory the examples at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/274233326#map=17/53.11757/-0.75284 on the A46 do fit the bill as rest_areas; but some of the others at https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Qgc seem to be stretching it. An example:https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7164280481 I did wonder about attaching a screenshot from the gps-dashcam footage of that road, but it is nearly 300K and would probably be rejected by the list software, and maybe a bit antisocial for those with limited bandwidth... The usual option there is "stick it somewhere and link to it", I guess. There are various image hosting sites around, or you may have other options (perhaps something like Google Drive, your own site, etc. etc.). Perhaps also knock the size down a bit too (even MS Paint can do that!). Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 06:14:44PM +, Martin Wynne wrote: > If you enjoy country walking off the beaten track, it's often difficult to > find somewhere to leave the car for several hours without it getting in > anyone's way. Country lanes can be narrow with passing places or field gates > which would be obstructed if a car is left there for long periods. > > So it's great to find unofficial parking places such as these -- wide verges > with solid ground, unused corners at junctions, odd bits of unused land, > etc. > > https://goo.gl/maps/XrjmrV8eSgRr76U49 > > https://goo.gl/maps/cM4HZycSEvWiCHCNA > > It would be even better to be able to locate them on a map in advance. > > But how to tag them? It's hardly a Car Park. Nor a Lay-By in the usual sense > -- even if it is, highway=layby appears to be an abandoned proposal: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Lay-by Well, I call them (informal) laybys, and they are far too important to miss off the map. Layby is the obvious UK term, so I use highway=rest_area rest_area=layby. Just because some people don't like the term layby for some unfathomable reason doesn't mean that it is not useful and the right term. But if anyone has a better idea fine. An example:https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7164280481 I did wonder about attaching a screenshot from the gps-dashcam footage of that road, but it is nearly 300K and would probably be rejected by the list software, and maybe a bit antisocial for those with limited bandwidth... ael ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?
If you enjoy country walking off the beaten track, it's often difficult to find somewhere to leave the car for several hours without it getting in anyone's way. Country lanes can be narrow with passing places or field gates which would be obstructed if a car is left there for long periods. So it's great to find unofficial parking places such as these -- wide verges with solid ground, unused corners at junctions, odd bits of unused land, etc. https://goo.gl/maps/XrjmrV8eSgRr76U49 https://goo.gl/maps/cM4HZycSEvWiCHCNA It would be even better to be able to locate them on a map in advance. But how to tag them? It's hardly a Car Park. Nor a Lay-By in the usual sense -- even if it is, highway=layby appears to be an abandoned proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Lay-by Thanks. Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
