Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Guided Busway Cycleway

2013-09-16 Thread David Earl

On 16/09/2013 10:08, Oliver Jowett wrote:

On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:58 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com
mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:

It's signposted as a bridleway (only the northern section), so it is
technically correct. On the basis of map whatbyou see on the ground,
thats a valid change. So long as it have bicycle=yes, and retains
the NCN information, I don't think it matters that much. Oliver is
right though, use by horses is essentially non existent. In visual
terms, one might call it a track, which happens to be designated a
bridleway.


It does render differently (I know, don't tag for the renderer, but it
seems reasonable for a renderer to infer the primary use from the
highway tag)
If you're on a road bike you'd usually want to avoid anything that shows
up as a brideway .. Taking a bike down
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/52724259 was interesting :)


Indeed, but it's a rather subjective approach. The usual rule is map 
what you see, not what you think, and in this case it is signed as a 
bridleway (and is also designated as such). A good rendering would take 
note of the surface tag when displaying cycle specific information.


David




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Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Guided Busway Cycleway

2013-09-16 Thread Oliver Jowett
On 16 September 2013 11:49, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:

 On 16/09/2013 10:08, Oliver Jowett wrote:



 It does render differently (I know, don't tag for the renderer, but it
 seems reasonable for a renderer to infer the primary use from the
 highway tag)


 Indeed, but it's a rather subjective approach. The usual rule is map what
 you see, not what you think, and in this case it is signed as a bridleway
 (and is also designated as such). A good rendering would take note of the
 surface tag when displaying cycle specific information.


Well, it does already have designation=public_bridleway too.

I'll try to ride the length of the path some time checking what exactly is
signposted.

I wonder if cyclestreets assigns different costs to highway=bridleway vs
highway=cycleway? It does show them differently in the resulting
directions, at least.

Oliver
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Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Guided Busway Cycleway

2013-09-16 Thread David Earl

On 16/09/2013 12:52, Oliver Jowett wrote:

I'll try to ride the length of the path some time checking what exactly
is signposted.


http://www.cyclestreets.net/location/32577/


I wonder if cyclestreets assigns different costs to highway=bridleway vs
highway=cycleway? It does show them differently in the resulting
directions, at least.


I'll ask Simon.

David




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Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Guided Busway Cycleway

2013-09-15 Thread David Earl
It's signposted as a bridleway (only the northern section), so it is
technically correct. On the basis of map whatbyou see on the ground, thats
a valid change. So long as it have bicycle=yes, and retains the NCN
information, I don't think it matters that much. Oliver is right though,
use by horses is essentially non existent. In visual terms, one might call
it a track, which happens to be designated a bridleway.

The southern section is specifically designated as a cycleway.

David

On Sunday, September 15, 2013, Oliver Jowett wrote:

 I guess the argument is about what the primary use is - and in practice I
 see a lot more cyclists than horses on it.

 I don't recall noticing that the {cycle,bridle}way is actually named on
 the ground, so I'm not sure if name= should even be present. Everyone seems
 to call it something slightly different anyway, but I don't think I've ever
 heard guided busway brideway.

 Oliver

 On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:40 PM, richard moss 
 richardm...@yahoo.co.ukjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
 'richardm...@yahoo.co.uk');
  wrote:

 I notice that a relatively new contributor has, in his only day of edits
 last month, changed the highway tag from cycleway to bridleway, and the
 name from Guided Busway Cycleway to Guided Busway Bridleway for the whole
 length of the path from Milton Road to St Ives.

 Any thoughts?  (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JamieAbbott )

 He has actually made an error, in that the last bit of the path through
 the St Ives PR is not designated bridleway, it is designated cycleway (the
 bridleway goes off north to Meadow Lane).

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