In case anyone here isn't in the talk-gb list as well, there is a wiki page now
where Sustrans have provided their list of all the mileposts, and would like us
to tell them where they are (more accurately than their text description of the
location that is). The wiki page makes it clearer:
David asked:
This Cambs CC press release suggests a minor mod to the map is
needed.
Is anyone near? It's probably not worth me travelling specially
to
Huntingdon, but if anyone could cover it, that would be good.
I'm not, but I think the junction they describe is probably this
one:
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Sent: 18 October 2009 11:16
To: talk-gb-midang...@lists.openstreetmap.org
Subject: A14+
A14 to A1 northbound only seems to be labelled on signs as (A1) or (A1(M)). Did
a couple of the A14 Cambs villages at 7am this morning
I wrote:
A14 to A1 northbound only seems to be labelled on
signs as (A1) or (A1(M)).
Thanks for the links and information about that stretch.
Did a couple of the A14 Cambs villages at 7am this
morning and will do a couple on the north side if
still light when I go home (Redditch to
Richard:
the road still doesn't seem to be rendered; perhaps it
will be by the time you read this,
It is.
David - can you define the extent of information that
needs to be included, to 'complete the county'?
I would be interested in the answer to the above too. The villages I visited
Bother, shortened the wrong link. I meant to send
http://is.gd/cDcwb7
(the other is the same area, but speed limits mph).
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As a follow up, I've now also added the sheet to the NE of
Wolverhampton.
Looks a totally different place without the motorways!
Oxley and Bushbury look useful though; some of those areas are
already mapped but I think there is more still to do there.
Unfortunately there are also many new
Having been mapping some more of NW Wolverhampton over the last few
days, these figures are probably already outdated, but thought I’d
add them to Brian’s list (thanks Brian for drawing my attention to
Peter’s posting).
Name
Area km2
DfT total
OSM total
Coverage
Wolverhampton City
I didn't notice this until I got back, but this roundabout looks a bit wrong:
http://osm.org/go/euzhlOxF_-
The Coventry Road seems to go over one side of the roundabout and under the
other, but I'm fairly certain both are fairly level.
Perhaps someone who knows the junction could have a look?
Andy wrote:
It's an odd configuration. The A45 goes over the
M42 and there
are bridges for the roundabout on the north and south (over
M42) and west
(over A45) but not on the east side. On the east side the A45
is on a bridge
over the roundabout.
So the A45 goes under the roundabout at
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Andy wrote:
The King Castle is right next to Kidderminster railway
station. Parking
may not be free (but not a problem for those on two wheels or
foot)
Looks to be £2 on a Saturday (daily rate):
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/kid/details.html
Ed
used to live at and need to look it
up before tracing there…
Ed
From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@googlemail.com]
Sent: 20 April 2010 10:05
To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org; Ed Loach
Subject: Completing the Black Country by tracing OSSV
Hi everyone
Andy and I reckon
Monika asked:
A road - this might be the A4034 - built around 40 years ago,
looks
like
it was supposed to go to to Blackheath but it only goes to
Whiteheath:
there are four lanes from Oldbury, then only two lanes, but the
traffic
island had been built, it looks like then the building works
Ooops – sent to wrong group.
Ed
From: Ed Loach [mailto:e...@loach.me.uk]
Sent: 23 October 2011 13:08
To: 'Gareth Illmann-Walker'
Cc: talk-gb-midang...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell
Gritting Routes
I think Brian is quoting Walsall
Steve wrote:
I had previously set Bewdley as the furthest north I would go for
a
day's
walk, but am prepared to make an exception in order to close the
gap. So I
have planned a circuit that does the Severn Way up to the next
bridge and
returns via the Geopark way. Hopefully the weather
I was in Wolverhampton last week end, and pointed out a big gap to
my wife saying “that was where I used to go for photocopying”. I
then noticed the building was on OSM, so retagged it by removing the
building tag but adding a note, so no-one is tempted to retrace it.
Really, I should have
I drove through this junction yesterday (heading east I filter to
the north to head up towards the A5):
http://osm.org/go/euzSxH0r1--
except, as per the Bing imagery, it is now a roundabout.
If anyone is in the area (which I won't be for months) it could do
with a resurvey.
Ill try and
Ok, ta. Must have been half asleep when I went through there, or was getting
confused with the next roundabout.
Sent from my HTC
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Sent: 28 May 2012 22:16
To: 'Ed Loach' e...@loach.me.uk; Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Looking at the FOI request:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/119687/response/296922/attach/
5/attachment.txt
Ed
From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com]
Sent: 03 August 2012 11:37
To: 'Stuart Harrison'; talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re:
I’ve just downloaded this. It looks like it contains Registered
Office address which isn’t necessarily the same as the business
(trading) address – for example where I used to work in Pattingham
used to have a registered office in Dudley (the accountants address,
I understand), and having just
Matthijs asked:
snip
The question is now, which of these should we use for the name
tag?
snip
Please let me know what you think.
For name, use whatever is on the bus stop sign. So in this example:
http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/65797/article_346b19a79c148b9f
Maybe it would be an idea to set up some kind of page in which
we
track in
which parts of Birmingham the shops still need to be surveyed?
As someone who now only visits the West Midlands irregularly, you
don't just need to track where still needs to be surveyed. You need
a way of tracking
Seems to be a Bing issue. North and East Wolverhampton seem OK, but
this is the corner of the problem area (as seen in Potlatch 2):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=17/52.58943/-
2.10928
From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 January 2014 11:04
To:
With similar issues at Bing
http://binged.it/1k6dByI
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Steve wrote:
I was under the impression that the local authorities generally
used an OS
base map, so their own data may well be derived from the OS
data.
A few years ago now (5 or 6) the bungalow next door was knocked down
and two put on the plot in it's place. After they were built, an OS
I'd like a cheap digital camera to use when I'm out noting things for mapping
purposes; our existing camera eats batteries.
Features I'd like:
* Rechargable battery
* Optical viewfinder - I struggle to see the LCD display on our current camera
in high light levels.
* Optical zoom higher if
Sometime ago I wrote:
I'd like a cheap digital camera to use when I'm out noting
things for mapping purposes; our existing camera eats
batteries.
Firstly thanks for all the advice, but in the end I decided the
camera on my phone was of adequate quality.
I had tried using it once before, but
Shaun replied:
As far as I understand oneway=yes applies to all vehicles on
wheels.
Therefore you have to do an exception for the cyclists and the
buses.
cycleway=opposite_lane; psv=opposite_lane should do the trick.
It
appears that in this case it hasn't been fully mapped.
If it is a
... or encourage people to simply update Map Features more
liberally.
Many seem to view Map Features as some kind of holy thing that
only the
Enlightened may edit. (And even when the Enlightened make an
edit, as
happened to Y.T. recently, people complain about the cavalier
manner
in which
Frederik:
Just revising Map Features on a whim without also revising the
data
would, however, be counterproductive because, as I said, Map
Features is
there to document what we have (and not to say I'd like you to
do it
this way in the future please).
My last comment was meant to be
Frederik wrote:
... or encourage people to simply update Map Features more
liberally.
Many seem to view Map Features as some kind of holy thing that
only the
Enlightened may edit. (And even when the Enlightened make an
edit, as
happened to Y.T. recently, people complain about the cavalier
Can't we use the direction of the way being tagged? E.g.
cycleway:withway=any permissible value for cycleway
cycleway:againstway=any permissible value for cycleway
What is it we are trying to address here exactly? I'm assuming it is
cyclelanes that are part of the road/way as if they are
I notice that the biggest urban shopping development in Europe opens this
Thursday:
http://uk.westfield.com/london
I don't know if anyone in the area is planning on updating the map. I notice
the area is currently tagged landuse=construction and there is a label
Westfield London
Grant wrote:
I went out tonight and mapped the building layout as best I
could. (snow
= yes; wet = yes; cold = yes; dark = yes)
snip
Looks pretty good (checking on Osmarender, though there seems to be
a bug with rendering the eastern edge of the tile that I've raised
on the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thought that club was called I moved house to map more.
[I'm sure someone will come up with a better name.]
I discovered Harlow had high res Yahoo imagery and have started
tracing houses?
(Hint)
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Andy wrote:
Yes, I've been associating the majority of the post boxes in
North
Birmingham with Matthew's dracos site for a bit. In doing so
I've found
that a few I don't have because they are collection points
associated
with post offices and sorting offices (no box to get the
reference
Before we go on to do the same thing for the whole of Europe,
is it the
routing software or the wiki page that is wrong?
The wiki page under How to Map says:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout#How_To_
Map
The way should then be tagged with junction=roundabout.
Hi
Before I start a new relation I'd like other people's advice.
The North Sea Cycle Route is on this page, incorrectly, as NR1:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_National_Cycle_Network
The route actually arrives at Harwich International Port and joins NR51 at a
Lincolnshire is still on my list for 2009
snip
Not sure whether it is of any use, but I did a couple of hours
mapping in Lincoln fairly recently, and had expected to have much
longer. So in advance I'd made myself a bit of a cake diagram, and
in case it was of use to anyone else added it to
Clennam Street is not on OSM, which is shame if the street has
this
dubious honour of being the shortest.
Not living anywhere near, I wonder if someone nearer might like
to pop
round to get London's Shortest Streets on the map!
I'm near there for work tomorrow, and it's only a minor
Just a warning: the area isn't very comprehensively mapped...
there
are quite a few roads missing/slightly wrong.. don't get side-
tracked
too much :-)
I noticed. I caught an earlier train, so got almost an hour of the
area mapped. Mainly bins and cycle parking on my route from
Guildhall
(tonight if I get home at a reasonable hour).
This morning as it turned out. Rerendered on Osmarender already:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.50283lon=-0.09569zoom=17laye
rs=0B00FFF
though the streets are too short for the names to show there.
Mapnik *may* show them, but the revisions
David replied to Peter:
Quite a lot of the Cambs/West Suffolk stuff is organised by
District at
the moment (though I perhaps mistakenly conflated Cambridge and
South
Cambridgeshire, and e.g. the East Cambs page is actually named
Ely).
District is a bit more manageable a unit than County
There is plenty left to do, but I hope people are happy with
what we
have being doing so far.
Would it make more sense for
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England
to redirect to WikiProject_England now instead of
WikiProject_United_Kingdom?
If so then it can be easily updated at this link:
Indeed, but OS lays claim to data _derived_ from their maps,
not just
copying of the maps.
If GPS co-ordinates were the original source of the data, but they
had been converted to grid references to make it easier for people
to try looking up the locations on OS maps, would they still try and
one in Bury St Edmunds is tagged landuse=industrial (with a
visitor
centre attraction).
That was me. It really is a factory, so I felt industrial was
appropriate.
No, I agree. I've seen the place and it is very industrial. But
landuse to me seems more appropriate for areas, so not much
Hi
Does anyone have suggestions on how best to tag breweries if you only have a
node and not a building= area? I've looked through the wiki and the creating a
proposal page mentions:
you want a tag for a 'brewery' - consider searching for 'beer',
'manufacturing', 'alcohol', 'industrial',
Andy wrote:
yeah, the tags landuse=industrial and industrial=brewing works
for me
After some thought I went with this, but if the node ever becomes an
area I would probably tag it building=brewery.
I quite like the idea of a business= tag though.
Ed
I wrote:
So if you have a shared use cycle/footpath where the bicycle
and
people are above each other white on a blue sign I'd say that
highway=cycleway, foot=designated, cycle=designated and
highway=footway, foot=designated, cycle=designated are
equivalent,
and the only difference is
Just a thought, but if the new park boundary follows existing administrative
(e.g. parish) boundaries, and if these are the same as can be traced off the
out of copyright maps in Potlatch, and if you can find something in writing
stating the facts of which parishes are (or aren’t) within the
I'm beginning personally to think that
highway=footway/cycleway/bridleway were all a mistake and that
highway=path and designation=public_footpath/etc, along with
suitable access keys (foot, bicycle, etc) would have been a better
starting point - there would certainly be fewer debates where things
I notice that Colchester has recently 'graduated' from UK
Mapping
Priorities due to the large effort that is currently going into
the
place. I have added a 'graduate' section to the UK Mapping
Priority
page for a list of towns that no longer warrant inclusion in
the list
(and have put
The C classification is just not available on the ground, and
is in
practice only of use to highway engineers.
This interpretation is subjective to some extent, but more
useful IMO
(and leads to prettier maps :-))
I notice that some of the tertiary grid roads in MK have had what
was
http://www.cbrd.co.uk/c-roads/
But is this not confusing highway=tertiary with C roads? A bit like
the confusion that arises between using highway=trunk for the
green/yellow A roads in the UK rather than the trunk network as
maintained by the highways agency. The tag value is perhaps a bit
In true classic form, we seem to have forgotten to map the area
around
the venue.
I did remember to put the venue on Sunday morning for a change.
I added a telephone box that I passed between where I parked and the
hotel.
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Can somebody look into reverting way 33136730 and 33136657.
If this hasn't been done yet, try investigating the H key in
Potlatch. Reverting individual ways is usually fairly easy.
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I wrote:
If this hasn't been done yet, try investigating the H key in
Potlatch. Reverting individual ways is usually fairly easy.
Sorry, wrong talk list...
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I notice from the rerendered cycle map layer, that some of these have been
tagged as a local cycle network Redway
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.0473lon=-0.7524zoom=13layers=00B0FTF
Should we do this with all the Redways?
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Andy wrote:
Not using the lcn_ref tag, please. It's hardly an
alphanumerical identifier tag.
If you put them in as a relation, then both the name and/or ref
tags
are respected by the cycle map.
So, perhaps a single relation for all MK Redways?
Ed
OJ W wrote:
Having missed it during the mapping party, I went back
yesterday to get area 1:
I did a small bit of area 28 today where friends live (though not
all of 28). I'll upload that tomorrow, but have family commitments
that have been delayed too long already by my Stourbridge Canal
edits
Peter wrote:
Any suggestion on what we should recommend for the UK?
Either of:
maxspeed=30mph (the user should strip a trailing mph to find the
value)
maxspeed=30 mph (the user should strip the last word if it is mph
including the space)
The maplint validation uses a regular expression which
FWIW highway code conversions are:
20mph = 32
30mph = 48
40mph = 64
50mph = 80
60mph = 96
70mph = 112
Ah - which differs from what is posted on roads out of ports:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:MaxSpeedConversionHarwich.jpg
(60mph = 95km/h, 70mph=110km/h, and it looks like I
Adding another log to the fire...
Is there a case for specifying knots in the same way as mph for
waterway
tags?
Maplint validation already allows this (maxspeed=10knots for
example, with or without a space)
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There is a major problem with using maxspeed=NSL.
Dual Carriageways.
How will the applications know that a way is part of a dual
carriageway
or is just one oneway way that happens to be near another
oneway way?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Dual_carriagew
ays
If
Jonathan asked:
Do we have an existing tagging scheme for these?
Yes
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Nation
al_Cycle_Network#Tagging_information
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Sorry forgot URL (though I guess most of you are familiar) -
http://www.free-map.org.uk. Also note you can add comments on a
POI (e.g.
pub) by clicking on it.
Have you a wiki page to say how to tag for things to render under
each category?
For example, for public footpaths are you including
I also stated this in the original email - the key is out of
date at
present, I need to update it. The original email describes what
the
colours mean.
Ooops. I skipped straight to the second email with the link and
missed the first. My apologies.
Ed
And here is the current OSM guidance:-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:admin_level#admin_level
In order to tie in with NUTS and with guidance for other
countries
within OSM we might want to do the following for England
(Scotland
and Wales would be similar but would skip some
Just spotted a railway line with a strange kink in it here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.56294lon=0.38386zoom=15;
layer
s=B000FTF
I'll revert it
And it wasn't just that. There were also roads moved and added,
rivers, woods and admin boundaries distorted - all obvious now
they're
Actually, I might not have reverted everything I spotted. There
seems to be a bug in Potlatch reversion - it doesn't always seem to
save the changes. It seems to work if I revert and then briefly move
a node and move it back again. Presumably this is making a new
version based on the reverted one.
While scanning for more obvious liam123 changes, I spotted the QE2 bridge and
the Dartford tunnel. The bridge and one direction of the two tunnels are tagged
as A282(M) and the other tunnel as A282. All tagged highway=motorway. I don't
believe they are motorway - I think from driving it that
On 12 Jun 2009, at 10:42, Greg Stark wrote:
How do you revert it? I don't see any button for that in the
changeset
viewer on Potlatch. And for that matter how do you view
changesets
usefully in Potlatch? All it seems to show me is the current
view with
no way to view the before and after
I'd suggest hazard=tanks (plural).
I've not seen signs warning about tanks, but did have to give way to
one at a t-junction once on the road from Wolverhampton to Cosford
(as I joined it on the road from Shifnal). You could feel the road
(and car) vibrating long before you knew what was causing
The Essex one I traced from the dotted line on NPE. I'm not sure
about 12 miles for county boundaries - I don't think Essex would
want to have to maintain it's own navy to repel Suffolk encroachers
for example.
Having said that, I think I read somewhere that UK beaches below the
high water mark
Ed: I notice you have tweeked the 'non-simple' way today. Do
you think
it is now simple? If not do you want to try and sort it.
I checked the way quite a bit. It shares most of its nodes with a
section of a beach area, but that shouldn't be an issue. None of the
nodes are included in the way
Streets certainly get postcoded differently on opposite sides
of the
street - one just has to look at the street name signs (as used
by
Rushcliffe BC) to see that.
Albert Road in Wolverhampton was one of the boundaries between WV6
and WV1, where one side was all WV6 and the other all WV1 (as
but
one can then do that on the ground.
Any many people are already mapping the footpaths (etc) on the
ground. Each weekend my wife and I try and find time to go for a
walk somewhere nearby which adds at least one public footpath to OSM
based on GPX trace. And if people do add paths using NPE
Tim wrote:
Anyone else out there using a Nokia 95 8GB to update
maps for OSM, and/or using the openmtb project? I am
ideally looking for a howto on how edit OSM and upload
routes using an N95 :)
I'm not, but a quick search for Nokia N95 on the OSM wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org
I wrote:
I see on the BBC website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8212725.stm
that the OS have put The Black Country on the map for the first
time (without borders, as they're subject to debate).
Have we not stuck a place=locality node in anywhere yet, then?
Since
Maybe all that that says is that this is indeed a good measure,
but the
final 15% is the most difficult 15% to map, as it comprises the
relatively short dead-end roads in housing estates, which in
terms of
number rather than length must be more than half of the total
and need
to be done
Mark wrote:
If anyone else fancies adding their name to the wiki
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Basildon_Mapping_Party), or
just
turning up at the Quays, they'd be very welcome!
Belatedly, I've added a cake diagram to the page as I said I'd try
and do. Hopefully I've guessed reasonable
It used to be on OSM a couple of years ago, but the node now
seems to
have been deleted.
Still there as manmade=pier
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/25343935
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Ooops. I quoted the node. The node is also inside a way (area)
tagged as man_made=pier
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/32720920
and the area also contains a node for a helipad
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I just noticed a changeset from user elbatrop which although it says
it was to Tie 10 Royal Mail references to known postboxes, it has
1709 nodes in the changeset:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3079245
Assuming this is import related, then linking a ref to a previously
mapped
I've just uploaded my escapade at the weekend, as I still us
potlach how can
I see which traces are mine and is it possible to download all
traces in an
area and see the time stamps?
I'm just back from a beer festival, so can't sensibly answer all
your questions right now. I think the
I've just uploaded my escapade at the weekend, as I still us
potlach how can
I see which traces are mine and is it possible to download all
traces in an
area and see the time stamps?
Gosh, was I drunk last night...
Anyway, I think I'm right about g vs G
Hi
It's in the early stages of planning, but I intend organising a mapping party
in/around Witham (on the A12) for Saturday April 24th (I'm also trying to
organise a talk about OpenstreetMap with a hands on session to members of
British Mensa at the same time/place and their magazine lead
Tom asked:
What do others think, and do?
I've used both place=locality and
landuse=residential/name=whatever in Wolverhampton recently. The
advantage of drawing out the landuse area and using the name tag is
that the name doesn't render until you've zoomed in close enough for
the label to fit
The Clacton pay scale area will be affected by the straight line
used to complete the area, rather than the use of the coastline.
This excludes almost all the urban areas that should be included.
Ed
From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On
http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/2204/697
As a PS I used the JOSM remote control plugin to download the above
relation, and wondered if I could save as OSM, tweak version number
of 697 to 703 in an editor, load the OSM back into JOSM, add a tag
note=retrieved from v697 and upload.
I have edited big relations in JOSM v2561 without any problems
at all.
These include long distance cycle routes that I certainly
haven't
downloaded the whole area for - it would be much too big to
download
from the API. You are right to be cautious, but I don't think
there is a
problem
Richard wrote:
OS have also just announced what VectorMap District, available
for free
at the start of May, is going to look like:
Pretty, but still no field boundaries :(
So, I'm sending my wife armed with Blackadder's Provisional First
Series lists to this weekend's boot sales (the first
Steve wrote:
I'd prefer to see boundaries handled by an automated (and
nationwide)
import process, as the OS data is likely to be at least as good as
contributors' own efforts and usually much better AND they are
committed
to maintaining it going forward. Which seems a good opportunity to
Glenn wrote:
JOSM has an Orthogonalise shape option which is very useful
for buildings.
And a terracer plugin which I find useful for converting traced
buildings to semi-detached* (or however many) properties.
Ed
* Slight issue when the width of the two semi-detached houses
together is less
Harry wrote:
On Saturday 24th April there are two really interesting (but
unrelated) possibilities for bringing OpenStreetMap to new
audiences. We need one person to give a talk at the Open
Knowledge Conference. ( http://www.okfn.org/okcon/ ) and we
need a couple of people to run a mini
But I see OSM goes with the administrative boundaries rather
than traditional
counties,
I think in some places there are relations for both admin boundary
and ceremonial county, if that is the same as traditional.
Essex for example:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Essex
currently has:
Andy asked:
Is there an easy way (a wiki page, perhaps; or some kind of
category view)
to see links to all such relations, and other such sets, as a
list?
I don't think there is a single wiki page that lists them. I think
it was me added the second relation to the Cambridgeshire (some
weeks
Lester Caine wrote:
Dave F. wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
But well mapped rivers don't have ways down their middle
Really?
Care to expand on that please?
MOST rivers are now being mapped fully and so are areas rather
than a line with
some arbitrary width. So there is no 'way'
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