Re: [Talk-GB] Laura Ashley - looking for tagging consensus

[Silent Spike]

Thanks for all the responses, very useful discussion and I was totally
unaware that some locations bear the additional "Home" branding.

@SK53 Looks like there's only one instance of `shop=furnishings`.

I think both of these options seem sensible:
1. Add "Laura Ashley" under `shop=clothes` and "Laura Ashley Home" under
`shop=furniture` (or similar)
2. Add "Laura Ashley" under both `shop=clothes` and `shop=furniture` and
leave it up to mappers to pick what's most suitable for their location


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:09 AM SK53  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I actually went and scouted out one of my local stores
>  after the last post. It's
> called "Laura Ashley Home" and does furniture, fabrics etc. I never checked
> usage of shop=furnishings. In days gone by there were concessions selling
> similar wares (probably more fabrics) in Homebase.
>
> I would expect that high street shops major in clothes, retail park shops
> either furniture or a mix of the two. If "Laura Ashley Home"  is a widely
> used name then that will help.
>
> I note that there are a couple of Laura Ashley branded hotels and some tea
> rooms mentioned on the website
> .
>
> Jerry
>
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 00:52, Silent Spike 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm a UK based maintainer of the name suggestion index
>>  and would
>> like to get this brand added. Unfortunately it's not so obvious how it
>> should be tagged and I'm not comfortable making a tagging judgement call
>> alone without consulting the UK community.
>>
>> My last thread of this nature for The Range didn't attract many
>> responses, but some input is always better than none and it allowed me to
>> get that brand into the index knowing that if consensus changes then the
>> tagging can easily be updated in OSM.
>>
>> Here's the Laura Ashley website and Wikipedia page for those unaware of
>> this chain:
>> https://www.lauraashley.com/en-gb
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Ashley_plc
>>
>> It looks like currently there are:
>>
>>- 44 shop=clothes
>>- 20 shop=furniture
>>- 15 shop=interior_decoration
>>- 4 shop=houseware
>>- 1 shop=home_furnishing
>>- 1 shop=fabric
>>- 1 shop=fashion
>>
>> This makes sense as it seems that furniture and clothing are the main
>> items sold. The tagging alone seems to suggest `shop=clothing` is favoured
>> more - does this seem reasonable or do you think another tagging is more
>> suitable?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Laura Ashley - looking for tagging consensus

[SK53]

Hi,

I actually went and scouted out one of my local stores
 after the last post. It's
called "Laura Ashley Home" and does furniture, fabrics etc. I never checked
usage of shop=furnishings. In days gone by there were concessions selling
similar wares (probably more fabrics) in Homebase.

I would expect that high street shops major in clothes, retail park shops
either furniture or a mix of the two. If "Laura Ashley Home"  is a widely
used name then that will help.

I note that there are a couple of Laura Ashley branded hotels and some tea
rooms mentioned on the website
.

Jerry

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 00:52, Silent Spike  wrote:

> I'm a UK based maintainer of the name suggestion index
>  and would
> like to get this brand added. Unfortunately it's not so obvious how it
> should be tagged and I'm not comfortable making a tagging judgement call
> alone without consulting the UK community.
>
> My last thread of this nature for The Range didn't attract many responses,
> but some input is always better than none and it allowed me to get that
> brand into the index knowing that if consensus changes then the tagging can
> easily be updated in OSM.
>
> Here's the Laura Ashley website and Wikipedia page for those unaware of
> this chain:
> https://www.lauraashley.com/en-gb
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Ashley_plc
>
> It looks like currently there are:
>
>- 44 shop=clothes
>- 20 shop=furniture
>- 15 shop=interior_decoration
>- 4 shop=houseware
>- 1 shop=home_furnishing
>- 1 shop=fabric
>- 1 shop=fashion
>
> This makes sense as it seems that furniture and clothing are the main
> items sold. The tagging alone seems to suggest `shop=clothing` is favoured
> more - does this seem reasonable or do you think another tagging is more
> suitable?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Laura Ashley - looking for tagging consensus

[Gareth L]

My local branch is a Laura Ashley Home and branded as such.
 http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/u08Hvnyzpex1Z6OmilaKjw/photo
(On the left)

Gareth

On 20 Dec 2019, at 09:47, Tom Hughes  wrote:

I see there's at least one near me that has been named in
exactly that way as "Laura Ashley Home":

 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5024407483

No idea if that actually reflects how the shop is branded
though.

Tom

On 20/12/2019 09:08, Jez Nicholson wrote:
You could generalise if the majority of stores fit the standard category, as 
individual shops can still be 'interior_decoration' if that is all that they 
do. A difficulty could be that editing apps suggest that it is 'incorrect' and 
needs updating. Some chains make it easier by having a sub-brand like "Laura 
Ashley Home", but clearly some do not.
I curse the real world for refusing to fit itself into our categorisation 
scheme! :D
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 8:53 AM Stuart Reynolds 
mailto:stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk>> 
wrote:
   Hi,
   I may be wrong, but I believe that there were some home (furniture)
   shops that didn’t sell clothing, and some years ago my family would
   reliably buy wallpaper from Laura Ashley which had the traditional
   Laura Ashley design on it. So that would seem to back up the
   “interior_decoration” tag. So I don’t know that you can necessarily
   generalise without a survey of each store - although I agree that
   clothing is probably the most likely for most cases these days. Not
   that I’ve been in one for quite some time!
   Regards,
   Stuart
   On 20 Dec 2019, at 07:25, Jez Nicholson mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   Thanks for consulting. Even if you don't get a huge response (like
   with The Range) it is good to get wider opinion. With The Range I
   simply didn't know so had no response.

   A short poll in my household (myself + my wife) concluded: "Laura
   Ashley is a clothing store that happens to also sell furniture"

   On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, 00:52 Silent Spike, mailto:silentspike...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   I'm a UK based maintainer of the name suggestion index
   
   and would like to get this brand added. Unfortunately it's not
   so obvious how it should be tagged and I'm not comfortable
   making a tagging judgement call alone without consulting the
   UK community.

   My last thread of this nature for The Range didn't attract
   many responses, but some input is always better than none and
   it allowed me to get that brand into the index knowing that if
   consensus changes then the tagging can easily be updated in OSM.

   Here's the Laura Ashley website and Wikipedia page for those
   unaware of this chain:
   https://www.lauraashley.com/en-gb
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Ashley_plc

   It looks like currently there are:

 * 44 shop=clothes
 * 20 shop=furniture
 * 15 shop=interior_decoration
 * 4 shop=houseware
 * 1 shop=home_furnishing
 * 1 shop=fabric
 * 1 shop=fashion

   This makes sense as it seems that furniture and clothing are
   the main items sold. The tagging alone seems to suggest
   `shop=clothing` is favoured more - does this seem reasonable
   or do you think another tagging is more suitable?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Laura Ashley - looking for tagging consensus

[Tom Hughes]

I see there's at least one near me that has been named in
exactly that way as "Laura Ashley Home":

  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5024407483

No idea if that actually reflects how the shop is branded
though.

Tom

On 20/12/2019 09:08, Jez Nicholson wrote:
You could generalise if the majority of stores fit the standard 
category, as individual shops can still be 'interior_decoration' if that 
is all that they do. A difficulty could be that editing apps suggest 
that it is 'incorrect' and needs updating. Some chains make it easier by 
having a sub-brand like "Laura Ashley Home", but clearly some do not.


I curse the real world for refusing to fit itself into our 
categorisation scheme! :D


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 8:53 AM Stuart Reynolds 
> wrote:


Hi,

I may be wrong, but I believe that there were some home (furniture)
shops that didn’t sell clothing, and some years ago my family would
reliably buy wallpaper from Laura Ashley which had the traditional
Laura Ashley design on it. So that would seem to back up the
“interior_decoration” tag. So I don’t know that you can necessarily
generalise without a survey of each store - although I agree that
clothing is probably the most likely for most cases these days. Not
that I’ve been in one for quite some time!

Regards,
Stuart


On 20 Dec 2019, at 07:25, Jez Nicholson mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks for consulting. Even if you don't get a huge response (like
with The Range) it is good to get wider opinion. With The Range I
simply didn't know so had no response.

A short poll in my household (myself + my wife) concluded: "Laura
Ashley is a clothing store that happens to also sell furniture"

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, 00:52 Silent Spike, mailto:silentspike...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm a UK based maintainer of the name suggestion index

and would like to get this brand added. Unfortunately it's not
so obvious how it should be tagged and I'm not comfortable
making a tagging judgement call alone without consulting the
UK community.

My last thread of this nature for The Range didn't attract
many responses, but some input is always better than none and
it allowed me to get that brand into the index knowing that if
consensus changes then the tagging can easily be updated in OSM.

Here's the Laura Ashley website and Wikipedia page for those
unaware of this chain:
https://www.lauraashley.com/en-gb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Ashley_plc

It looks like currently there are:

  * 44 shop=clothes
  * 20 shop=furniture
  * 15 shop=interior_decoration
  * 4 shop=houseware
  * 1 shop=home_furnishing
  * 1 shop=fabric
  * 1 shop=fashion

This makes sense as it seems that furniture and clothing are
the main items sold. The tagging alone seems to suggest
`shop=clothing` is favoured more - does this seem reasonable
or do you think another tagging is more suitable?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Laura Ashley - looking for tagging consensus

[Tony OSM]

Hi

I've been in several of their shops, have just looked at their website, 
and can see the tags below - -  I think that this is a lifestyle shop 
that sells all of those tagged bar fashion. Lifestyle tag  is only used 
5 times but that word occurs frequently on their website.


My 2nd choice is home-furnishing.

To me clothes are less important to this shop than historically was the 
case.


Tony

TonyS999

On 20/12/2019 00:50, Silent Spike wrote:
I'm a UK based maintainer of the name suggestion index 
 and would 
like to get this brand added. Unfortunately it's not so obvious how it 
should be tagged and I'm not comfortable making a tagging judgement 
call alone without consulting the UK community.


My last thread of this nature for The Range didn't attract many 
responses, but some input is always better than none and it allowed me 
to get that brand into the index knowing that if consensus changes 
then the tagging can easily be updated in OSM.


Here's the Laura Ashley website and Wikipedia page for those unaware 
of this chain:

https://www.lauraashley.com/en-gb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Ashley_plc

It looks like currently there are:

  * 44 shop=clothes
  * 20 shop=furniture
  * 15 shop=interior_decoration
  * 4 shop=houseware
  * 1 shop=home_furnishing
  * 1 shop=fabric
  * 1 shop=fashion

This makes sense as it seems that furniture and clothing are the main 
items sold. The tagging alone seems to suggest `shop=clothing` is 
favoured more - does this seem reasonable or do you think another 
tagging is more suitable?


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Re: [Talk-GB] Laura Ashley - looking for tagging consensus

[Philip Barnes]

As Stuart said, last time I went in one it was interior decoration and didn't 
sell clothes so probably one which needs a survey for each individual shop.

Phil (trigpoint)

On Friday, 20 December 2019, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> You could generalise if the majority of stores fit the standard category,
> as individual shops can still be 'interior_decoration' if that is all that
> they do. A difficulty could be that editing apps suggest that it is
> 'incorrect' and needs updating. Some chains make it easier by having a
> sub-brand like "Laura Ashley Home", but clearly some do not.
> 
> I curse the real world for refusing to fit itself into our categorisation
> scheme! :D
> 
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 8:53 AM Stuart Reynolds <
> stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I may be wrong, but I believe that there were some home (furniture) shops
> > that didn’t sell clothing, and some years ago my family would reliably buy
> > wallpaper from Laura Ashley which had the traditional Laura Ashley design
> > on it. So that would seem to back up the “interior_decoration” tag. So I
> > don’t know that you can necessarily generalise without a survey of each
> > store - although I agree that clothing is probably the most likely for most
> > cases these days. Not that I’ve been in one for quite some time!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 20 Dec 2019, at 07:25, Jez Nicholson  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for consulting. Even if you don't get a huge response (like with
> > The Range) it is good to get wider opinion. With The Range I simply didn't
> > know so had no response.
> >
> > A short poll in my household (myself + my wife) concluded: "Laura Ashley
> > is a clothing store that happens to also sell furniture"
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, 00:52 Silent Spike,  wrote:
> >
> >> I'm a UK based maintainer of the name suggestion index
> >>  and would
> >> like to get this brand added. Unfortunately it's not so obvious how it
> >> should be tagged and I'm not comfortable making a tagging judgement call
> >> alone without consulting the UK community.
> >>
> >> My last thread of this nature for The Range didn't attract many
> >> responses, but some input is always better than none and it allowed me to
> >> get that brand into the index knowing that if consensus changes then the
> >> tagging can easily be updated in OSM.
> >>
> >> Here's the Laura Ashley website and Wikipedia page for those unaware of
> >> this chain:
> >> https://www.lauraashley.com/en-gb
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Ashley_plc
> >>
> >> It looks like currently there are:
> >>
> >>- 44 shop=clothes
> >>- 20 shop=furniture
> >>- 15 shop=interior_decoration
> >>- 4 shop=houseware
> >>- 1 shop=home_furnishing
> >>- 1 shop=fabric
> >>- 1 shop=fashion
> >>
> >> This makes sense as it seems that furniture and clothing are the main
> >> items sold. The tagging alone seems to suggest `shop=clothing` is favoured
> >> more - does this seem reasonable or do you think another tagging is more
> >> suitable?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Laura Ashley - looking for tagging consensus

[Jez Nicholson]

You could generalise if the majority of stores fit the standard category,
as individual shops can still be 'interior_decoration' if that is all that
they do. A difficulty could be that editing apps suggest that it is
'incorrect' and needs updating. Some chains make it easier by having a
sub-brand like "Laura Ashley Home", but clearly some do not.

I curse the real world for refusing to fit itself into our categorisation
scheme! :D

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 8:53 AM Stuart Reynolds <
stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I may be wrong, but I believe that there were some home (furniture) shops
> that didn’t sell clothing, and some years ago my family would reliably buy
> wallpaper from Laura Ashley which had the traditional Laura Ashley design
> on it. So that would seem to back up the “interior_decoration” tag. So I
> don’t know that you can necessarily generalise without a survey of each
> store - although I agree that clothing is probably the most likely for most
> cases these days. Not that I’ve been in one for quite some time!
>
> Regards,
> Stuart
>
> On 20 Dec 2019, at 07:25, Jez Nicholson  wrote:
>
> Thanks for consulting. Even if you don't get a huge response (like with
> The Range) it is good to get wider opinion. With The Range I simply didn't
> know so had no response.
>
> A short poll in my household (myself + my wife) concluded: "Laura Ashley
> is a clothing store that happens to also sell furniture"
>
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, 00:52 Silent Spike,  wrote:
>
>> I'm a UK based maintainer of the name suggestion index
>>  and would
>> like to get this brand added. Unfortunately it's not so obvious how it
>> should be tagged and I'm not comfortable making a tagging judgement call
>> alone without consulting the UK community.
>>
>> My last thread of this nature for The Range didn't attract many
>> responses, but some input is always better than none and it allowed me to
>> get that brand into the index knowing that if consensus changes then the
>> tagging can easily be updated in OSM.
>>
>> Here's the Laura Ashley website and Wikipedia page for those unaware of
>> this chain:
>> https://www.lauraashley.com/en-gb
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Ashley_plc
>>
>> It looks like currently there are:
>>
>>- 44 shop=clothes
>>- 20 shop=furniture
>>- 15 shop=interior_decoration
>>- 4 shop=houseware
>>- 1 shop=home_furnishing
>>- 1 shop=fabric
>>- 1 shop=fashion
>>
>> This makes sense as it seems that furniture and clothing are the main
>> items sold. The tagging alone seems to suggest `shop=clothing` is favoured
>> more - does this seem reasonable or do you think another tagging is more
>> suitable?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Laura Ashley - looking for tagging consensus

[Stuart Reynolds]

Hi,

I may be wrong, but I believe that there were some home (furniture) shops that 
didn’t sell clothing, and some years ago my family would reliably buy wallpaper 
from Laura Ashley which had the traditional Laura Ashley design on it. So that 
would seem to back up the “interior_decoration” tag. So I don’t know that you 
can necessarily generalise without a survey of each store - although I agree 
that clothing is probably the most likely for most cases these days. Not that 
I’ve been in one for quite some time!

Regards,
Stuart

On 20 Dec 2019, at 07:25, Jez Nicholson 
mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks for consulting. Even if you don't get a huge response (like with The 
Range) it is good to get wider opinion. With The Range I simply didn't know so 
had no response.

A short poll in my household (myself + my wife) concluded: "Laura Ashley is a 
clothing store that happens to also sell furniture"

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, 00:52 Silent Spike, 
mailto:silentspike...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm a UK based maintainer of the name suggestion 
index and would like 
to get this brand added. Unfortunately it's not so obvious how it should be 
tagged and I'm not comfortable making a tagging judgement call alone without 
consulting the UK community.

My last thread of this nature for The Range didn't attract many responses, but 
some input is always better than none and it allowed me to get that brand into 
the index knowing that if consensus changes then the tagging can easily be 
updated in OSM.

Here's the Laura Ashley website and Wikipedia page for those unaware of this 
chain:
https://www.lauraashley.com/en-gb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Ashley_plc

It looks like currently there are:

  *   44 shop=clothes
  *   20 shop=furniture
  *   15 shop=interior_decoration
  *   4 shop=houseware
  *   1 shop=home_furnishing
  *   1 shop=fabric
  *   1 shop=fashion

This makes sense as it seems that furniture and clothing are the main items 
sold. The tagging alone seems to suggest `shop=clothing` is favoured more - 
does this seem reasonable or do you think another tagging is more suitable?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Laura Ashley - looking for tagging consensus

[Jez Nicholson]

Thanks for consulting. Even if you don't get a huge response (like with The
Range) it is good to get wider opinion. With The Range I simply didn't know
so had no response.

A short poll in my household (myself + my wife) concluded: "Laura Ashley is
a clothing store that happens to also sell furniture"

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019, 00:52 Silent Spike,  wrote:

> I'm a UK based maintainer of the name suggestion index
>  and would
> like to get this brand added. Unfortunately it's not so obvious how it
> should be tagged and I'm not comfortable making a tagging judgement call
> alone without consulting the UK community.
>
> My last thread of this nature for The Range didn't attract many responses,
> but some input is always better than none and it allowed me to get that
> brand into the index knowing that if consensus changes then the tagging can
> easily be updated in OSM.
>
> Here's the Laura Ashley website and Wikipedia page for those unaware of
> this chain:
> https://www.lauraashley.com/en-gb
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Ashley_plc
>
> It looks like currently there are:
>
>- 44 shop=clothes
>- 20 shop=furniture
>- 15 shop=interior_decoration
>- 4 shop=houseware
>- 1 shop=home_furnishing
>- 1 shop=fabric
>- 1 shop=fashion
>
> This makes sense as it seems that furniture and clothing are the main
> items sold. The tagging alone seems to suggest `shop=clothing` is favoured
> more - does this seem reasonable or do you think another tagging is more
> suitable?
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