Hi everyone
On Thursday we discussed getting together like last year for a December
Saturday mini-mapping party with an Xmas curry afterwards, but none of our
diaries would co-operate. So we decided to have the event on Saturday 11th
January when we'll map Warwick (which needs some TLC) until it
Congratulations due to everyone! We've just passed 100,000 addresses in the
West Mids
Regards
Brian
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It seems that some businesses are starting to use the notes feature to
identify their location, thinking it's just like Googlemaps perhaps. I
think we should encourage this by separating the notes function into 2 ,
adequately labelled, one for place your business/event here and one for
map
Hi Andy
Can I ask why? Please be aware that my heritage map data relies currently
on searching for artist_name
Regards
Brian
On 21 October 2013 21:52, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Over the last few days, I've tagged a number of local (wider West
Midlands) artworks (many
why not just tag a node on the road where the sign is as maxweight? It's
much simpler and reflects what's on the ground
Regards
Brian
On 13 October 2013 12:28, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 09:00:38PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote:
I came across an odd situation
Hi Rob
I'm still banking on there being a 3rd Oct regular meetup. I too can't make
the 5th
Regards
Brian
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Rob Nickerson
rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Andy,
== You may need to forward this to the Oxon list as I'm not subscribed ==
We hadn't forgotten
Hi everyone - I've responded to this guy and offered him our help.
Regards
Brian
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From: Brian Prangle br...@mappa-mercia.org
Date: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: This Is Then - music project in need of a map
To: marko ma...@thisthen.co.uk
Hi
Hi Peter
I'm gradually adding listed buildings along the route in Warwickshire
regards
Brian
On 21 August 2013 15:52, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote:
Just to highlight some mapping ITO have just released, which was developed
with CPRE showing the construction, landuse and
In the West Midlands we have dozens of these which cater mainly for Asian
weddings and celebrations where large extended families have to be catered
for. Probably the same in most large urban areas. I generally just tag them
as building=yes and with the name on the display board which usually
a photo of the sculpture.
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Cheers
Andy
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Hi everyone
Hi everyone
Tunnels closed in OSM at 0745 this am!
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engines will also
prevent route calculation through the tunnels. Our map is also annotated
to show the tunnels as
closedhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.480132lon=-1.907045zoom=18layers=M
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*Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Brum A38 tunnel closures
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Hi everyone
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Tunnels closed in OSM at 0745 this am!
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Regards
Hi everyone
On Saturday 10 August Godiva will make her triumphant return to her home
town of Coventry aboard her Cyclopedia with a cavalcade of cyclists and
walkers joining her on Coventry’s iconic ring road. I think the ring road
will be closed to traffic and given over to some kind of festival
Hi Steve
Why not just leave the out-and-back ways as a spur?
regards
Brian
On 2 June 2013 19:11, Steve Brook srbr...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
I have now finished mapping the Three Choirs Way long distance footpath
between the three cathedrals of Worcester, Gloucester and Hereford.
Do we have a pub selected yet?
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Hi everyone
I know it's a long way and an expensive trip but don't feel excluded -
there's lots of ways you can participate
1. We're a global project so has anyone any ideas about forward-looking
outfits in Australia who get OSM who might want to sponsor the conference?
2. We're having a poster
Well if a road is separated into lanes by a large area of paint which has
a legal injunction not to enter, can that be regarded as barrier=paint? It
passes the test of being physical - visible paint has been applied to the
road and it passes the test of being a barrier by law.
Regards
Brian
Just to take take the conversation into another orbit simultaneously, I'd
like to clarify Tom's remarks about natural=wood and landuse=forest being
interchangeable in the UK. I always tag landuse=forest where aerial
imagery shows a regular pattern of tree spacing which is a good indicator
of
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Date: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Increased use of OpenStreetMap
To: Paul Inman paulin...@warwickshire.gov.uk
Hi Paul
It looks great even with screenshots! I shall make sure I use the service
Hi everyone
Warwicks County Council message about their election coverage was too big
to get onto the mailing list as it it contained 3 png screenshots of the
application. If anyone is despaerate to see the screenshots let me know and
I'll mail them separately
Regards Brian
Hi everyone
Do we have a collective opinion about this proposed import circulated by
stephen.pete...@sky.com on the talk gb list?
Personally I wouldn't want it as I believe we decided not to include
ward boundaries
as
the present cartographic style clutters up and already busy urban map.
I'm already using bridge_ref= and also adding operator= when I remember
Rgds
Brian
On 9 April 2013 15:17, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
Hi Andy
Seems a good idea. I would suggest a new tag, such as bridge_ref.
I have come across cases of canal bridge numbers using the ref
Hi everyone
Henk and Floris are coming over from the Netherlands this weekend to do
some scouting and videoing for the conference. They've suggested a
pub/curry get together for either Sat or Sun evening. Anyone around?
Anyone want to meet Henk and Floris?
Regards
Brian
Aidan
I've had a look at your list and would say it's way under - you only have 3
B27 codes and I've completed addressing this whole postcode area - I've not
got every one complete but I'm sure there's far more than the 3 you're
showing, including the one for my own house which is missing!
Hi everyone
I'm composing a press release and want to compare this year's event with
the previous conference in the UK - Manchester 2007. Can anyone who was
there remember how many delegates there were? Has anyone got any group
photos from then?
Also any can any sysadmins give me an idea of
Hi everyone
We've finally published a bid after several weeks work from the combined
effort of mappers from mappa-mercia ( the collective name for mappers in
the West Midlands).
You can read it
herehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2013/Call_for_venues/Birmingham
on the Call
Hi Aidan
You might like to get a volunteer to check a pilot import that's limited
within a manageable area - suggest a limited range of postcodes
Regards
Brian
On 15 January 2013 11:32, Aidan McGinley
aidmcgin+openstreet...@gmail.comwrote:
@Rob yes I had seen that. It is a great tool, but
Hi Aidan
If you were to do this then two things you should consider:
1. only tag closed ways where tag is building=xx AFAIK water and woods
and gardendens etxc don't have postcodes
2. how to treat buildings where there is already a postcode and if
correct/incorrect
Regards
Brian
On 13
I've no idea who's behind the relation E2 even though the Heart of England
Way which I walked the whole length and edited a lot of it is designated E2
from end to end - it was added to the relation after I'd completed my
editing. I have seen an E2 marker post although I forgot to take a photo!
Hi everyone
I should have a revised SOTM 2013 bud document out sometime over the
weekend, together with a summary of our brainstorming
For the blog on mappa mercia the login username is
brianboru100@gmail.comand the password is 2009mapper
Regards
Brian
Hi everyone
As promised - if you want to put your name forward for a task - now's your
chance!
Regards
Brian
· Sponsor package programme and promotion (maybe split into
global/national/local)
· Sponsor Exhibits
· Contracts/Insurance
· Conference Registration
See you all there - I'll bring along a printed copy of the SOTM 2013 bid so
we can finalise it Regards Brian
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi All,
Happy new year! Just a quick reminder that it is the monthly meetup
tomorrow (Thursday):
The
Hi everyone
I've been thinking about how best to share any photos you might think of
taking on your travels. All you have to do is upload them to your web photo
service of choice and as long as you put them in a public folder I can link
to them. You'll have to let me know of course the url of the
Hi Nick
Well done for stepping forward to do this! Just follow the tagging schema
from an existing way that is on a gritting route maintenance=gritting,
gritting=priority_1, 2 or 3 -if none is indicated in the data set to
priority_1, gritting_route_ref= x (if Dudley data has these)
Hi everyone
Panic mode! I'm a bit confused about urls from mapbox. The one I sent out
before had a https:// header and when I link to it it goes to my mapbox
homepage complete with editing rights. Is this what you're seeing? You
should see a homepage icon in the top right with my name against it
Hi Stuart
Glad you like the map.
The English Heritage data is a bit flaky. I've been working from a pdf list
prepared by BCC some time ago which is much more accurate - also the layer
in the self-service planning map(only for checking purposes of course!)
which I guess comes from the same list
Hi everyone
Well, having worked some more on cleaning and populating the data - guess
what? The data is by no means complete or accurate. It's pretty good -
probably about 95% complete and 95% accurate. It's just the usual annoying
almost perfect but not quite there that we come to expect from
Hi everyone
Well it's nearly here! It's very much a work in progress with a lot still
to do - it's really a proof of concept at this stage
https://tiles.mapbox.com/brianboru/map/map-ag576a5p. So don't expect it to
be perfect - it will be some time before it's a public site.
I've built this in
Hi everyone
You might want to put the Maplin radio-controlled 3CH 2.4GHz RC Helicopter on
your Xmas shopping lists - it's only £50. It comes complete with a 0.3mp
video camera and a SD card slot. It only has a range of 40 metres andthe
camera is angled forwards and downwards not stright down so
Hi everyone
Had a good introductory meeting with Birmingham Convention Bureau today.
I've already had a download from them of text and images for general stuff
about why Birmingham is so great. By COP Thursday they will send me quotes
for and availability of venues for first half Sept. Venues
Hi Matt
Great tool! Looks like it will be useful. Let's see how it goes and maybe
do a cake with this tool for Balti Triangle?
Regards
Brian
On 4 November 2012 17:26, Matt Williams m...@milliams.com wrote:
Hi all,
As discussed at the last meetup
Hi Everyone
I'm meeting Birmingham Convention Bureau on Monday so I'll save a post to
talk-gb until after then
Also a tagging dilemma: the Water Orton sewage works has been tagged as
landuse= industrial. I purposely didn't tag it as such but I was pretty
ambivalent about it at the time. It
Hi Chris
Great work! I can now get cracking on adding complete postcodes to
addresses.
Regards
Brian
On 30 October 2012 19:24, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote:
The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the
Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the
On another track it would be good if ITOworld could add to their buildings
section a postcode map showing red = no postcode, yellow=first section only
e.g B27, and green= complete postcode e.g B27 7XP. This would help in
identifying where to add postcodes
Regards
Brian
On 31 October 2012 18:55,
North Park road now complete - any other gaps anyone's spotted?
On 26 October 2012 15:17, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
As a sweep up of minor missing locations. One side of North Park Road adj
to the M6 needs adding.
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We in the West Mids are well aware of this user and have been monitoring
and cleaning up after him for some time. He has never replied to any emails
we have sent him, except very early on. He is very unusual and seems to be
a Jekyll and Hyde character who has done some excellent work where he
Hi Andy
Looks like you've got yourself a problem! I agree with Matt about the
canoes. Some views from bing suggest the garden path joins up with one at
25 or 27 Rockingham Gardens. As it unusually sits close to no 11/15's
boundary, perhaps its a granny flat for no 11/15? It seems to have taken
Hi everyone
At our previous pub meeting for mappa-mercia on October 4 we had a great
discussion about how we'd like SOTM2013 to come to Birmingham - so we got
a group of volunteers (well everyone at the meeting) and have come up with
an outline case for Birmingham Bid - see
get on and move forward if we want ours
to be the one that gathers pace.
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Cheers
Andy
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*Sent:* 08 October 2012 13:06
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*Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] SOTM 2013 bid
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Hi
Hi all
We're back on our regular slot and will be meeting this week as below
The *next social* of the Midlands OSM User Group will be on *Thursday, 4th
October , 2012, 7;30pm-ish to 10pm-ish*. venue;
- *Venue*: The Bull, Price Street,
Birminghamhttp://www.thebull-pricestreet.com/
Look
How about making contact with the road experts at SABRE to answer some of
these questions? I'm sure they'd have a pretty definitive view
Regards
Brian
On 30 September 2012 22:43, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote:
On 27 September 2012 17:42, Jason Cunningham
I've asked for a csv file of all the listed buildings
Regards
Brian
On 27 September 2012 22:24, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
Just a quick heads up that the Open Data User Group (supported by UK
Government) as asking what data do you want. If interested there are
I'd agree with Rob's logic and extend it to show one of three results:
postcode missing or postcode incomplete or postcode incorrect. We have
loads of addresses with only the first group in place e.g B27 and I'm sure
when we were using codepoint( before we knew it was dodgy
in licensing terms) we
Hi Andy
Impressive! Shame about the data. Just done a quick look around Acocks
Green - ATMs missing and some are up to 30m away from their actual
location. I would estimate about 95% accuracy. Anyone else had a look?
Regards
Brian
On 21 August 2012 11:30, Andy Mabbett
To: Andy Robinson
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Social Meeting this Thursday 2nd Aug
Will bite at lower end of slice 5
Miked29
From: Andy Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:54 PM
To: 'Brian Prangle' ; 'talk-gb-westmidlands'
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Social Meeting
Hi everyone
A cake is available on the wiki - if you're going to map beforehand please
choose a slice and let us know which one you've chosen via this talk list
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Hi All
I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on motorways
and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let me know if
there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK wher we're now
pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from bing and
Hi everyone
Progress report
(mainly for my benefit so I can use this as an action list)
All the new bus stops and existing bus stop name changes have been added
complete with route_ref info and relevant NapTAN data
Data problems ( e.g can't find Stop MF1 and some stops have no bus routes)
need
in the city centre
http://www.connectedcity.org.uk/
I'll look in recycling to see if I can find the insert the put in the
metro paper.
It lists the number of bus and location of the bus stop (code that is).
Might help?
best wishes
Alison
On 17 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Brian Prangle wrote
I'm up for that on Sun morning
On 17 July 2012 16:02, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like a job for a mini mapping party!
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Following another visit to the NMA in a break in the weather, with much of
the place underwater and hordes of angry midges in the woodland groves, the
arboretum is now essentially complete apart from a few thousand trees and a
few hundred benches! I shall now spend a couple of weeks referencing
Is there any reason why a slice of the Western Hebrides has been omitted
from the redaction process for the UK? Based on evidence from
http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php
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If you look at zoom level 3 for the UK you will see the Kingdom of Ivania
rendered. A google search throws up
http://micronations.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ivania which is a vanity
nation consisting of someone's bedroom in Derbyshire. I can see a rash of
these appearing. Are they appropriate to be
Visited the Maltings today looking for the plaque - and it's not there! Had
a long chat with the receptionist and security guard: it was taken down
immediately after the press ceremony and they've yet to decide where to put
it. It's not a blue plaque but is financed and organised by Davenports
Hi everyone
I've not checked out the pub - it's the only one in the village. So it will
be a surprise as to what we find!
See you there
Brian
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
Folks,
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Unfortunately I may miss this now as I think I’ll be in
On 28 April 2012 11:03, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.comwrote:
I'd only use cycleway=track if there's a track on both sides, otherwise I
use cycleway:left=track or cycleway:right=track, as appropriate.
I also add a highway=cycleway alongside, because some applications prefer
Hi everyone
Here's a suggestion for what we should get up to this summer - based on
what people felt was OK at the April meeting and also some invention from
me. I've tried to make the monthly meetings accessible by rail and also to
get the Birmingham residents moving out nearer to other mappers
Congratulations and many thanks to all those who worked so hard to effect
the licence changeover - including all those who contributed to the mad
rush to recover as much of the map as possible before the cutoff.
One small point for the communications team- the link from the home page to
open
Hi everyone
Wolverhampton City Council comms team have been in touch saying the
gritting routes have been changed . They want to add our map to their
facebook page which has 7000 followers. They say they have a lively debate
going on about gritting. I've got the new winter service plan 2011-12
Hi all
I've been systematically clearing, together with Andy Robinson, Birmingham
and the West Mids for a couple of weeks. We have one prolific local mapper
who hasn't accepted which means a lot of work in the Black Country and
Coventry. Biggest issues so far are the motorways, ways that are part
Hi Andy
I walked,surveyed and mapped the Heart of England Way and I've seen it
added to E2. I didn't see a single waymarker for the E2 along its entire
length. Since it's a complete relation I haven't noticed anything broken
Regards
Brian
On 13 January 2012 20:08, SomeoneElse
Hi Matt
Peter is unlikely to accept the new CTs but has not yet declined.
Blackadder has emailed him recently but not got a response. Peter was very
active and has contributions all over the West Midlands from various
mapping parties so it would be a shame to lose his contribution but I'm not
HI everyone
I'm collaborating with Steve Brook, who has imported the Worcs boundary
from the OS opendata source OpenBoundaryLine, in order to merge the West
Mids, Birmingham City Council and Solihull boundaries where they touch
Worcs with his new, accurate boundary relation.
So far everything
Hi everyone
Andrew Mackenzie, Andy Mabbett and I have been busy collaborating with the
AllotmentsData project at Leicester University. There's now a mappa mercia
wiki page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Allotments_Project to co-ordinate
activities
See you all at the social this week
But it's common parlance to refer to real ale from the decades-long
activities of CAMRA which was never called CAMRAB - this is splitting hairs
On 27 November 2011 19:54, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 27 November 2011 19:46, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote:
On
Hi everyone
If we include all off licences then we're going to have to include all pubs
and bars and the map is going to get seriously crowded. Should we tag
off-licences that sell real ale as realale=yes and if we extend this to
specialist wine merchants and whisky shops then perhaps we should
Sven - we do have a couple of wineries and vineyards in the UK!
On 15 November 2011 14:34, Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de wrote:
Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote:
Things tagged with microbrewery should be okay... assuming they
respected the tags original
Hi everyone
Just dome some armchair mapping in Hereford where the HP Bulmer site is a
massive industrial complex so I don't think ciderhouse or press or mill is
somehow appropriate so I've labelled it industrial=brewery for the
meantime. Perhaps we should also have industrial=cider? The Bulmers
Hi everyone
Whilst I originally envisaged this as a UK project, what Sven has brought
up does suggest that it has a global perspective, but I doubt if Graham's
time or server could cope with something that large. The wine industry is
certainly global and Heineken( not real ale I know!) has 115
already and what
has been added to the map yet. For instance, I thought the gritting
routes in Coventry were already in the database.
Best
Christoph
[1] http://mappa-mercia.org/gritting-map.shtml
Am 10.11.2011 12:36, schrieb Brian Prangle:
Hi everyone
We're making great progress with over
Graham fantastic work! I updated some breweries I'd previously edited to
get them to comply with your tagging schema and they were on your map in
minutes! Was going to say something about the icons but I see they're only
temporary
New set of objectives with some drinking attached to seek out
Hi Graham
Problem - I've entered a couple of microbreweries where your map selects
the name of the pub rather than the name of the microbrewery located on the
same site e.g http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/136989676 where I've
tagged the pub with name= and the brewery with name_1= .
Hi everyone
Browsing around Burton to see why there are so many Coors Breweries in the
tagquery page ( there are 3 sites tagged but only one rendering at the
moment) I came across the National Brewery Centre tagged as a museum. As it
has Brewery in its name I would have expected to see it in the
Hi everyone
We're making great progress with over half the routes now completed.
Christoph will be re-rendering the gritting map this weekend so it would
be good to see if we could complete this at the same time. There are still
two routes unallocated - so grit your teeth and choose one ;-)
2 data. Is this sort of
duplication normal?
Miked29
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From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk]
Sent: 31 October 2011 17:41
To: Brian Prangle
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes
I've now recieved eight
Hi everyone
Following last night's meeting I sent off the following FOI request this
morning:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/birmingham_interconnect_mapping/new
Let's see what happens!
Regards
Brian
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Hi everyone
Anyone who wants to update their local allotments please feel free to do so
using the example of the allotment here
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.45061lon=-1.842371zoom=18layers=M
tagged
as follows with data from the attached Excel spreadsheet.
name=
ward=
operator= Birmingham
Societyproject in a research
paper written by the Office of Civil Society in the Cabinet
Office.http://www.arnaudriegert.com/wp-content/uploads/international-examples-big-society.pdf
(Appendix
A1)
I look forward to putting even more of Yardley on the map with you
Regards
Brian Prangle
Mappa-mercia
Hi everyone
Thanks to everyone who made suggestions. If we can build on Graham's
initial efforts I think we can get a great map and do some
some interesting surveying with an incentive to get people out mapping! As
a first pass on a tagging scheme can I suggest we follow the wiki page at
Hi everyone
Having just been at the CAMRA Birmingham Beer Festival and seen the huge
number of breweries from across the UK Got me thinking - is there any
appetite for a project similar to the baseball project
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Big_baseball_project_2011 in getting all
the
!
Regards
Graham.
On 30 October 2011 15:15, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone
Having just been at the CAMRA Birmingham Beer Festival and seen the huge
number of breweries from across the UK Got me thinking - is there any
appetite for a project similar to the baseball project
and stop quite a lot so they're not like one continuous route. This is
because there is crossover in terms of the routes the drivers have to take
to get to the roads they actually have to grit.
Gareth
On 22/10/2011 14:55, Brian Prangle wrote:
Hi everyone
Thanks to Andy Mabbett
Seem perfect to me - all it needs is a name Rgds Brian ( although perhaps
it's a work of art?)
On 24 October 2011 14:12, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
Can anyone suggest a better way to tag this locomotive, on a plinth?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1479037681
How should I tag the fact that a memorial was erected by the Police
Memorial Trust?
How about operator=Police Memorial Trust
Regards
Brian
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Hi Andy
I can donate some time depending on the date you choose
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Hi everyone
Thanks to Andy Mabbett for showing us where these files are located. I
went to start editing one of the gritting routes today and discovered that
the pdf files are all crown copyright maps derived from the OS so are in
fact useless for our purposes- what we need are text-based
Mapped! Most of it is still being constructed but it's a big improvement on
what was there before - don't know where the public art is though - no sign
of it this morning
Regards
Brian
On 15 October 2011 22:58, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
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