Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] help.openstreetmap.org and routing demo

2010-07-19 Per discussione Nic Roets
2010/7/19 David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com: So what you're saying is that Cape to Cairo first has to be solved as a political goal before it can become a realistic routing goal? The logistical problems start at as soon as Beit Bridge. On my cousin's facebook page he had to ask that

[OSM-Talk-ZA] help.openstreetmap.org and routing demo

2010-07-18 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello Mappers, A couple of new sites that may interest you: help.openstreetmap.org is a question and answer site. Voting makes the best answers float to the top. nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/ is (IMHO) a first class routing site built completely from open source software. It covers the

[OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-03 Per discussione Nic Roets
There is a lot of talk around better algorithms (e.g. contraction hierarchies), distributed routing, stress tests etc. So I'm going to put in into perspective with a few calculations. For a 40km journey, Gosmore takes 50ms*. So let's say Errol costs around $10,000 and you want to pay it off in 2

[OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-02 Per discussione Nic Roets
I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796lon=5.62046zoom=15layers=B000FTFT As you can see, it is hidden inside '+' (the layers). There are two reasons for this: Firstly, I did

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-02 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be embedded inside

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-02 Per discussione Nic Roets
The permalink in the info box doesn't work (yet), but you can use the permalink in the map to save the view. So it you have a problem in Detroit, please zoom in as far as possible and give us that permalink. The reverse and normal geocoding comes from nominatim, so you'll have to look on the wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-02 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, woll w...@2-islands.com wrote: Is the idea that this demo will become the 'official' OSM routing system? From the intro post, I can't quite make out if it is going to appear on the OSM home page, or it is a 'private' demo. The sys-admins must decide and that

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo

2010-07-02 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Hillsman, Edward hills...@cutr.usf.edu wrote: I agree, this is great. A couple of quick observations. First, for some reason, it won't work in Internet Explorer 8 on my machine. Clicking on the link opens the webpage and OSM top and left sidebars, but displays

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-Talk-ZA] Downloading gps traces- Ponta Malongane

2010-06-19 Per discussione Nic Roets
job. OSM is most certainly not the only or best repository of tracklogs. www.Gpsies.com is quite good and there is comprehensive list of websites here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nroets Regards, Nic On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Hello John, I've

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-17 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:16 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: There is a slight contradiction here though because the other thing I hear a lot is they'd like to try something with us but keep it quiet - i.e. try

Re: [OSM-talk] Price for OSM survey

2010-06-15 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Roland Ramthun osm...@roland-ramthun.de wrote: Dear talk@, at some point in the future there may be a survey on OSM topics, which is free to take for any OSM member. You don't need to have any special knowledge or skills to answer the questions, just to get

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Unusual max-speed tagging

2010-06-15 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Adrian Frith adr...@frith.co.za wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 11:30 +0200, Philip Kloppers wrote: I have an unusual section of the R102 where it has no median, and 2 lanes running each direction. One direction has a speed limit of 80km/h, while the other has a

Re: [OSM-talk] Gosmore map.pak update for Camino de Santiago,

2010-06-08 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello Sergio, I've started updating of the extracts. I will PM you when I see that it is complete. You can also try a bbox. For most of them the data comes from +-20 May. Northern Spain Southern France: http://dev.openstreetmap.de/gosmore/0332037005210401.zip Northern Spain More of France:

[OSM-Talk-ZA] OT: Streetview

2010-06-08 Per discussione Nic Roets
They launched it here today. For those who don't know what it is: A car with cameras* drives around and takes pictures (360 degree panoramas). So there is an orange man that you can drag and drop on nearly every street to see how it looks. Before you drop him, a blue outline will appear

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-02 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: John Smith wrote: If you wanted something more definite, police injury records could provide alternative verifiability, if as John pointed out 5 people were hurt or killed trying to cross a road than it's obviously not

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:07 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2010 09:52, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote: Still, even if they breached the duty of care, the injured woman will still need to establish that the breach was a cause of her injury. The only

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: The road should simply be marked as having no pavement/sidewalk. Something like pavement=yes/no is a start at least. It's best to avoid subject assessments like how dangerous a road is. Ideally, yes. But routing software

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/1/10, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't trust your own opinion, ask a few locals if they would advise a tourist to walk there. If they say no, then tag them with foot=no and add a note

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Ideally, yes. But routing software can't possibly process the logic correctly in cases like these. Some roads may not have a pavement, but they are safe for pedestrians due to the lack of traffic. In other cases extreme footways

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-06-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
Jeffrey, when the thread was started the cycleway was incorrectly tagged, but I fixed it soon afterwards. Cloudmade will catch up soon enough. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Looking more

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing error Cloudmap.com or wrong tagging?

2010-05-27 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Michael Eric Menk mikem...@yahoo.no wrote: The access in question clearly says YES, so I do not see the problem. You're original email did not mention the vehicle type with which the problem occurs. Is it pedestrian or bicycle ? If so, they do have a bug in their

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing error Cloudmap.com or wrong tagging?

2010-05-26 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello Michael, The 'private' tag is used quite often and will be quite tedious if a user needs to specify what roads he may access as an owner before he can use the system. So from a practical standpoint, it makes sense to treat it as a road tagged with 'destination': A valid route can exit and

Re: [OSM-talk] scuba dive sites

2010-05-22 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:39 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2010 14:40, Joe Richards joefis...@yahoo.com wrote: On searching, I have seen several pages and proposals in the wiki for scuba diving sites and for dive shops.  I am currently tagging up the island of

Re: [OSM-talk] scuba dive sites

2010-05-22 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Saturday 22 May 2010 15:40:25 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:57, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Saturday 22 May 2010 11:27:08 Nic Roets wrote: I've seen some dive sites tagged as place

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-15 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: It's not so simple. This changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4300452 made me a villain when I selectively undid a so-called hero's indiscriminate joining of highways to boundaries, power lines, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-06 Per discussione Nic Roets
My opinion is that the Russian issue has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I suspect that if you ask the average Russian if it is a good thing that some of their citizens are submitting the locations of suspected military installations to a database in the United Kingdom, they will say no.

Re: [OSM-talk] The Best way to show individual shops within a shopping complex?

2010-05-03 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello David, Here's one where I used the layer tag. So we can model 3D, but rendering it will require higher zoom levels, more PoI icons and some way to separate the layers. openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.13085lon=27.97530zoom=17 Sometimes I include some of the halls / walkways. This one has half of

Re: [OSM-talk] WikiProject_FLOSS (was: OSM composer not open source?)

2010-05-02 Per discussione Nic Roets
2010/5/2 Niklas Cholmkvist towards...@gmail.com: I added an Introduction at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_FLOSS . I didn't put very The most important reason (for me at least) to write OSM related FLOSS, is increase the rate at which tags are standardized. For example, if

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Fwd: Introduction

2010-04-24 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello David, The reasoning for me is, imagine they wanted to claim a foul.  If one map gives the name as lye street while it's actually called foot street to catch copyright infringement, you see on the other map that there's a discrepancy. I pretty sure that all road maps in South Africa

[OSM-Talk-ZA] Mio Moov GPS now only R800

2010-04-22 Per discussione Nic Roets
Wow, these things are just getting cheaper and cheaper. http://www.game.co.za/portal/game2009/UserFiles/SysDocs/bb_content_countryleaflets/rsa/leaflet-rsa-2010-04-22-27.gif Jailbreaking this Mio is extremely simple : It has the bundled maps and app on internal flash. It also has an SD card slot.

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Keeping an eye on changes

2010-04-22 Per discussione Nic Roets
2) OSM Watch List - new kid on the block. Day, Week and 'All' changes. Supports RSS. Large areas support only via RSS feed. http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/owl_viewer/ That interesting. Here's 3 shortcuts that is centered on SA:

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-16 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: Sorry, experience has learned that edit wars on the wiki only end when one side gets bored with it. Surely this needs to be improved. Perhaps learn from Wikipedia and appoint Wiki moderators. Our wiki plays a very important

Re: [OSM-talk] cannot process keep right dump in osmosis

2010-04-15 Per discussione Nic Roets
='first_occurrence' v='2010-02-14 01:00:00' /  tag k='last_checked' v='2010-04-12 23:00:00' / On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Can you go to line 48599236 with a text editor and see what the problem is ? Perhaps a few lines before and after ? On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Per discussione Nic Roets
Frederik, He did not give an exhaustive list of all the censorship laws, rules and regulations of his country. Rather he was just giving a little bit of background information. If there is something in the Russian DB that their government wants us to remove, then we should remove it. Otherwise

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-05 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello Graham, Be aware that the GTK code that draws rotated text (Pango) is quite slow. You can ask Willem-Jan De Hoog who ported gosmore to the maemo. Richard, are you aware that most oddball GPSs are WinCE powered and that OSM has several apps for them. Sometimes you need to browse the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom

2010-04-05 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: So MioPocket can unlock some of these devices, then allow use of say Gosmore + OSM data? 'Jailbreak' is not the correct term. Both the legalities and the technicalities can best be described as 'booting from SD card'.

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] INTRODUCTION REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE

2010-04-04 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello Justin, On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 1:44 AM, justin.arenst...@stanford.edu wrote: [3] Tracking crime reports, from both police private security companies, and mapping it so that it is accessible to ordinary residents so they can begin to understand the underlying trends, hotspots, etc. I'd

Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore

2010-03-16 Per discussione Nic Roets
Ignacio, having watched the admins at work for many years, I can summarize the situation as follows : 1. They are doing it in their spare time. They are supportive of new apps, but they don't always have time to write new code, test it and roll it out. 2. Over the years the API has improved

Re: [OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-13 Per discussione Nic Roets
at 6:29 PM, hbogner hbog...@gmail.com wrote: Nic Roets wrote: (since we got rid of the segments) From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ Maybe something is wrong with it. I don't know if anybody has the same problem but I can't manage to complete an extract with osmosis. I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-13 Per discussione Nic Roets
, hbogner hbog...@gmail.com wrote: Thx for help, I'll try it. Now I have to follow 'dev' too :D Nic Roets wrote: There's a bug in the code that generated this week's planet. You should either wait until next week or filter the planet with the following command: bzcat /osm/planet-10*.osm.bz2

Re: [OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-13 Per discussione Nic Roets
? would be very interested to understand its performance ! looks very fast. mike On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: My understanding is that all Xml compliant* parsers will abort at the file offsets that Frederik mentions. My advice is to use the egrep filter

Re: [OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-13 Per discussione Nic Roets
to just have an index file of all the blocks so that we can find the ones that we need. Imagine being able to process the bzip file directly! mike On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, I wanted to split the planet into overlapping bboxes like

[OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-11 Per discussione Nic Roets
(since we got rid of the segments) From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Announce: Gosmore Earth

2010-03-05 Per discussione Nic Roets
I'm pleased to announce Gosmore Earth after more than a year of silence. Gosmore is a viewer of OSM-XML with routing and searching capabilities. Ports include Linux, Windows, Windows-Mobile and Maemo. It uses it's own binary file format that is optimized for small devices. New features include: *

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-21 Per discussione Nic Roets
How much traffic do you have and will you get a fine or ticket for choosing the best racing line ? I would like to do something about the related problem of routing through parking areas. But non-convex objects are quite hard to detect and process considering how much data we have. Furthermore, I

[OSM-legal-talk] Are we strict enough with imports ?

2010-02-11 Per discussione Nic Roets
* What ?? Strict and OSM in the same sentence ?? * Recently on one of the talk lists, one user accused another of importing TeleAtlas data bases on how closely the datasets fits each other. A third user (Richard Weait?) speculated that their may have been a common (e.g. government) source.

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Are we strict enough with imports ?

2010-02-11 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: (I'm hijacking this thread which Nic started about legalities of imports on legal-talk, and moving over to talk) But before you do that, please tell me if you concur on the legal issue... * if we are confident that we,

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-04 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello Jaak, I think your price of E100 per user for map data is much too high. Remember that you can buy a new WinCE based GPS with touchscreen, processor, flash memory and maps for that kind of money and the device will last you a couple of years. Navteq may also (try to) segment the market: If

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello Frederik, It is very easy to sit back and say we'll let the community fix the tagging over time. It is even conceivable that some players who build a business around OSM (and I'm not mentioning names here) may secretly want the tagging mayhem to continue because they already have software

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Having said that, if lack of documentation is your main concern, I could well envisage a pop-up in JOSM that goes: You have just entered a tag that is not documented on the Wiki. Please provide one line of documentation

Re: [OSM-talk] Unions seem to be complaining about potential job losses if OS data is given away for free..

2010-01-09 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: Op 10-01-10 05:30, John Smith schreef: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4826436.New_threat_to_jobs_at_Southampton_s_Ordnance_Survey/ Sounds like the OS didn't have a RD department nor a business department. To me it

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gauteng mapping party - 19 September 2009

2009-09-18 Per discussione Nic Roets
I'm building a stand for us at the DST building. I've constructed a 1.4m x 1.4m 49 megapixel colour map of Pretoria out of 49 A4 sheets and tonight I'm make a 1m x 1m map of Northern Jhb. I'll also have printouts for Cape Town, Kempton Park, Walking Papers OSM-3d. The desktop and notebook may be

Re: [OSM-talk] Historic Mapping needs help Now!

2009-08-17 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Look forward to some good ideas. Here is my plan : * Create a separate server that starts with a very old planet file and then processes the diffs. * Use Mercator projection, divide the map into tiles of fixed size of

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Anyone Available for Software Freedom Day - Pretoria?

2009-08-12 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: Is anyone available to represent OpenStreetMap at Software Freedom Day Pretoria on Saturday, 19 September 2009? I wouldn't mind doing most of the work. Really how hard can it be ? Set up a PC with a slippy map and

Re: [OSM-talk] radioactivity

2009-08-11 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/11 Paul Houle p...@ontology2.com: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The waste issue is complex, but I can tell you one thing. The current LWR extracts only 2% of the energy in it's fuel. Future

Re: [OSM-talk] GPX on OSM slippymap?

2009-08-10 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello Igor, You can go to gpsies.com and give it the URL for the GPX file e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/trace/475187/data After it renders you can choose the OSM slippy map. Regards, Nic On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This has probably been

Re: [OSM-talk] radioactivity

2009-08-10 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: and by lung cancer (I'm a smoker) and other stuff as well. Hundreds of thousands seem little bit overestimated to me though. E.g. in Germany (80 million people) there were killed 4 477 people in 2 294 000

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Durban import

2009-08-10 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hi Russell, Grant spoke to someone from Y! Maps at SOTM09 about it. He said Grant should email him and he would pass it on. Another way would be to change Potlatch. It's a pity that no one else added this functionality already. So I think the most practical would be to import the data and get

Re: [OSM-talk] can search engines index osm data?

2009-08-08 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote: i.e. everything with a name (or other identifier like ref), which is all the useful ones. (Of course we already have URLs by number for every node, way and relation in the system, though those aren't usually exposed

Re: [OSM-talk] can search engines index osm data?

2009-08-08 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: page of history EVEN WITH NO FOLLOW SET - having millions of indexed pages does not necessarily increase presence, since they then ignore all the duplication and treat it as attempts to distort the search results! Not

Re: [OSM-talk] Copyright of Logo?

2009-08-07 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hi, I think the logo is under a CC license, BUT you should be more concerned about using an OSMF trademark and there is a whole separate set of laws for that. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trademark#OpenStreetMap_logo_.28UK.29 Fortunately OSMF is quite relaxed about the trademark issue: If

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch vs JOSM

2009-08-07 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: I don't think that we have enough streets mapped yet to make walking papers useful in kosovo I guess it also needs a scanner available to rescan the maps You don't need to rescan them, as you can just use

Re: [OSM-talk] landuse for hotels

2009-08-05 Per discussione Nic Roets
Could even be farmland or nature reserve e.g. Singita Lodge. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:04 PM, John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net wrote: On 5 Aug 2009, at 21:31, OJ W wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Ciarán Mooneygeneral.moo...@googlemail.com wrote: What landuse are we using for

[OSM-talk] OSM Low-Res / Overview / Toplevel

2009-08-04 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello, I would like a subset of the planet file that only include the largest and most notable features: For example large cities, provinces, states and countries. The ways should be simplified so that segments are typically several kilometers long (or longer). Is it easy to generate such an

Re: [OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.comwrote: If people use the term doctors, we shouldn't force them to use doctor just to fit some guideline (not rule) in the wiki. IMHO you should change the wiki. rantIt's much to easy for an newbie to change something on

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Per discussione Nic Roets
Some very good observations, Lars. Even simpler than webcrawling would to imitate these guys and just provide a simple web form : http://www.google.com/local/add/analyticsSplashPage?gl=ushl=en-US On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: John Smith wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Data out of the earth

2009-07-04 Per discussione Nic Roets
2009/7/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1707270 I have to ask: Mikel, how did you manage to edit points outside the (-180,180) longitude range?? created_by = bulk_upload.py I can not spot a mistake here :

Re: [OSM-talk] The future of bugs in OSM

2009-07-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:22 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: You go to http://bugs.openstreetmap.org/ There's a big map of bugs which looks similar to OSB. It doesn't know who you are and drops you in to beginner mode which shows bugs that I like this. If it's idiot proof and it does

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Government Data Access Update

2009-06-24 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Brendan Barrett brendanbarr...@live.co.zawrote: Mapping PR This may be a bit off topic, but I feel one way to promote OSM and apply some of the lessons we learned in building an online community and applying the technology we created is to build a website for

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Introducing myself

2009-06-24 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hi Heather, I've had contact with the UP contact involved with Matsim. They're quite happily using BCX data a.t.m. and would consider using OSM if we collect the number of lanes on each road. http://www.matsim.org/scenario/gauteng I've also had contact last year with someone of the smaller SA

[OSM-Talk-ZA] Power plants

2009-06-15 Per discussione Nic Roets
A scientist working on clean energy contacted me some time ago to help him find all South African power resources (plants, mines, distribution capabilities). The coal mines were easy, because they are all recorded in a DME document. He found the ESKOM plants himself and I helped him with the

Re: [OSM-talk] full history of a way?

2009-06-14 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Perhaps this could be improved in 0.7, by having some [way|relation]/#id/history-full call, which will return history of referenced way (or relation), including history of all node (ways) that was referenced at

Re: [OSM-talk] Crossings of a road

2009-06-12 Per discussione Nic Roets
My vote is for the bogus paths. They are in fact not bogus. If you were walking along the road and decided to use the subway, were would you leave the road ? Rather than testing out a few ideas on a proprietary routing engine, look at proposals like this one :

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] State Copyright on Spatial Information Products

2009-06-12 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Bernd Jendrissek bernd.jendris...@gmail.com wrote: The or parts thereof also leaves me thinking that using includes making derivative works. The sentence or two describing the required acknowledgement of State Copyright would also be moot if this was just a

Re: [OSM-talk] Open*Map.* ?

2009-06-08 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hi Russ, Does http://www.opengreenmap.org/ count ? The only thing that open about them is that they use FOSS and they are open to accepting pins in a Google Map. (The same can be said about Google Earth, so they are as open as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic)** Regards,

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Planetfile with ChangeSet

2009-05-29 Per discussione Nic Roets
Isn't it so that people can grep the commit comments ? I'm finding commit comments very handy : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Nic%20Roets/edits On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Gary68 g...@gary68.de wrote: i'm interested in this topic too. so i cross post this here. no answer on dev so

Re: [OSM-talk] Highways tagging vs Polygon

2009-05-22 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote But it will make it a lot simpler for mappers. If you see a No Cycling sign on a trunk road and want to compare it to the DB, then you don't need to think about where the country border polygon ends. So when I see

Re: [OSM-talk] Highways tagging vs Polygon

2009-05-22 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: so... frequently running bots over entire countries to change the speed limit, or adding (by my count) about 20 million new tags to the DB, or dealing with inconsistencies between different editors, etc... that doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Highways tagging vs Polygon

2009-05-21 Per discussione Nic Roets
My opinion is that all defaults should be global. We should not have any country or urban / rural specific defaults. It will mean most ways will need a lot of extra tags. So we may need to improve the editors to make it easier to add all those tags. For example give the editors modes like Rural UK

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Viewer for Linux/Gtk available

2009-05-18 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Sebastian Kürten sebastian.kuer...@fu-berlin.de wrote: A first release is available for download at http://gosm.sf.net . Hello Sebastian, Do you know that there is already a project with a very similar name and objective called gosmore and that parts of that

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-ie] open street map - what's in it for you?

2009-05-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: drove into a new housing estate ... yes but, what's in it for you? Why does a painter paint? Why play football? Why give money to charity? Why volunteer to work with stroppy youths? (actually yeah, why?) Why

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

2009-04-30 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hi Jochen Andy, There is however a danger in leaving interpretation of the data solely to closed source projects (e.g. Cloudmade) : Because there is no agreement in the community on the exact meaning of many of our tags, it is possible that people may tag for the closed source project. Even

Re: [OSM-talk] Placeopedia replacement

2009-04-23 Per discussione Nic Roets
http://gpsies.com/ is not opensource and it defaults to google maps, but it has openstreetmap support, as well as many other cool features. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Mike Ryan mike.r...@redmar.com wrote: All I used to use a site called placeopedia that showed a map with Wikipedia

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] API 0.6-ready import files

2009-04-17 Per discussione Nic Roets
I tried out Dbn on gosmore. No problems. (unlike last year...). Isn't the 0.6 changes restricted to relations and changes, neither of which are used in the import ? On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Adrian Frith adr...@frith.co.za wrote: Hi all, In preparation for the API 0.6 upgrade I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas

2009-03-30 Per discussione Nic Roets
There are many areas that nearly everyone agrees is unsafe, even the residents. But more importantly, there is a reasonable amount of subjective stuff in OSM already e.g. permissive footways across vacant land, residential vs. living_street in countries were there's no seperate legal

Re: [OSM-talk] turn restriction relations: via

2009-03-29 Per discussione Nic Roets
Let me first give a bit of an introduction to the algorithms for other readers on the list. At first glance Dijkstra finds the shortest route to any node n from a given node a, but exactly how (from the North, South etc) node n was reached is not specified. So turning restrictions cannot be

Re: [OSM-talk] turn restriction relations: via

2009-03-29 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hi Tobias Marcus On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: I'm not exactly sure what the semantics of an only_* with several via members would be, though. Should it require that you use at least one via member or every via member? I implemented only_* as

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How does Google map maker handle copyright

2009-03-20 Per discussione Nic Roets
I tried out GMM by adding a road and a hotel in Tanzania that I visited. There were a few clouds on the Landsat image, so the moderator rejected the hotel. Perhaps they aren't interested in local knowledge ! But more seriously : Perhaps they just feel that it's up to the individual to make sure

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How does Google map maker handle copyright

2009-03-19 Per discussione Nic Roets
Looks like the second post in that thread was truncated in the archive (full?). Another copy is here : http://www.nabble.com/Locating-objects-in-Google-Maps-Earth-td22162444.html ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Mapping Informal Areas, Khayelitsha, Cape Town

2009-03-16 Per discussione Nic Roets
2009/3/16 Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com South African, Cape Town Mappers... Last month at InfoActivism (http://infoactivism.org/) I met Joy Olivier with ikamvayouth.org, an NGO working for youth empowerment in South Africa. After hearing about OSM, Joy became interested in introducing

Re: [OSM-talk] Filtering out errors from GPX file

2009-03-11 Per discussione Nic Roets
I have a similar problem with a GPS where the CPU sometimes takes too long to get out of idle / sleep mode when the data is arriving. So I implemented an algorithm that looks for the largest subset of points that does not contain any jumps or faults. So for example if samples 2, 7, 8 and 9 are

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse-Engineering Maps and Share-Alike Licences

2009-03-08 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Ulf Möller use...@ulfm.de wrote: The problem with this though is that if you make an exemption for CC-BY-SA then you can drive the whole planet file through that loophole. If you want to close the loophole, you will need to get everyone to accept the

Re: [OSM-talk] Conflating Tracks?

2009-03-05 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hello Daniel, Hi Daniel, I wrote a program (osmunda) that scans a GPX tracklog for maneuvers that are 'impossible' according to the given OSM data. There's a reasonable description of it in the 'routing' archive of August 2008. It's part of gosmore. Do an SVN checkout of one of the August /

Re: [OSM-talk] Post tastsic questions of my own

2009-03-04 Per discussione Nic Roets
My second question goes to those who live in the various countries that aren't bankrupt... oh I mean those that aren't in the UK. How is the community there? Is it bad? Is it good? How can we help. What are Just to give you an idea of how crazy the world economy has become : Not too far from

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A simplification of the agreement on the signup page.

2009-03-01 Per discussione Nic Roets
Has the ODbL been finalized yet ? If not it will either need to read something like ODbL version X or later. I support you and I would like to go even further. Namely any license that the OSMF chooses. But at least one of the OSMF members (Mikel?) was opposed to it because it's so easy to get

Re: [OSM-talk] overuse of highway=path

2009-02-27 Per discussione Nic Roets
lots of footways or cycleways are even wide enought to catch 2 4-wheeled-vehicles next to each other but they are both still path+attributes per definition. The indication of being a path has nothing to do with the way's width. Hi Mario, IMO we don't tag ways according to their widest point,

Re: [OSM-talk] oneway yes or true

2009-02-27 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: A good general principle: we should always optimise for ease of mapping. Yes Richard, but some things are best done in the editors. It's much easier for editors to highlight obvious mistakes, than it is for every

Re: [OSM-talk] Locating objects in Google Maps/Earth

2009-02-23 Per discussione Nic Roets
Hi, From what I've read on talk-legal on more than one occasion : Deriving individual nodes and individual segments on a small scale is OK. Esp. when they are derived from raw facts (photos and gps traces). But extracting a whole bunch of nodes and segments that link up is bad. It's not that

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Tagging: Minibus Taxi Rank

2009-01-31 Per discussione Nic Roets
My vote is for anything that includes amenity=bus_station, e.g. amenity=bus_station minibus_taxi_rank=yes Then it will show up on more renderers and public transport queries. -- Anyone noticed how slowly south-africa.osm is growing currently ? Around 0.1% per week. A clear sign that everyone is

Re: [OSM-talk] Error in Google-Maps

2009-01-28 Per discussione Nic Roets
Never *attribute* to *malice* that which can be adequately explained by stupidity Malice : Google wouldn't tarnish their brand by knowingly sell incorrect data. Stupidity : Looking at South Africa, they clearly used some AI type software to convert aerial imagery into vector data and it didn't

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