date:20160815

On 16.08.2016 00:42, Simon Poole wrote:
> May I suggest that switching to panic mode is a bit premature. Lambertus
> last contribution to OSM is just over half a year old, and there are
> other ways to contact people than just e-mail.

On 16.08.2016 00:59, Michał Brzozowski wrote:>
> Can anybody launch these "other ways" now?

I talked to him in april about that problem and he was thankful that
there is discussions about "how to go forward" with the forum. He wanted
to respond some days later but didn't. I tried to contact him again
several times. Yesterday I tried again by wiki-discussion, osm message,
email and even changeset comment. Iam still hopeful, that he will answer
and would like to wait two more weeks and don't blow the topic to big
until then. Either he will answer, or he won't. If there are any other
ways to contact him, that would be great.
But after that two weeks (its more than 4 month then), I think its not
premature to discuss about a plan B.

On 16.08.2016 00:42, Simon Poole wrote:
> Further I've heard that some people are **attempting to scrape the whole
> forum** which is likely not the best thing to do if we want the site to
> stay up (Grant isn't here but iirc there was at least an oldish backup
> somewhere).

Scraping wouldnt hurt the server if its done over a longer periode of
time. Anyway, its just a possibility that I mentioned. Its not a plan,
and Iam not "attempting to scrape the whole forum". But it could be
done, if there would be a new server and software and we still dont have
any answer or access.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

2016-08-15 Per discussione Michał Brzozowski

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:
> May I suggest that switching to panic mode is a bit premature. Lambertus
> last contribution to OSM is just over half a year old, and there are
> other ways to contact people than just e-mail.

But it's so irresponsible to just vanish. I mean, what did he think?
If you know you can't do your job for that or another reason, you at
least let people know to see what can be done.

Even few months can be too much. Imagine some new potent vulnerability
surfaced. One of the best scenarios would be a database leak, but
things could be much worse than that, like serving malware to users.

Can anybody launch these "other ways" now?

Michał

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Re: [OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

2016-08-15 Per discussione Simon Poole

May I suggest that switching to panic mode is a bit premature. Lambertus
last contribution to OSM is just over half a year old, and there are
other ways to contact people than just e-mail.

Further I've heard that some people are attempting to scrape the whole
forum which is likely not the best thing to do if we want the site to
stay up (Grant isn't here but iirc there was at least an oldish backup
somewhere).

Simon



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Re: [Talk-es] Asociación OSM España

2016-08-15 Per discussione Santiago Crespo

Hola,

On 08/13/2016 08:31 PM, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo wrote:
>> Podemos acordar una fecha usando este doodle:
>> http://doodle.com/poll/cu5ht4sgz5ityki7
> 
> Estupendo, pero con la ampliación de fechas la cosa no se si va a quedar
> muy clara y va a haber mucha dispersión de agendas.
> Yo por mi parte no se qué vida voy a tener en un par de semanas o sea
> que si quedáis en otro momento que no sea el que he indicado intentaré
> unirme.

El día que más coincidimos es el martes 6 de septiembre de 20:30 a
11:30, hemos confirmado que podemos 5 personas.

Jorge, Jesús y Moisés no pueden ese día según el doodle. ¿Tenéis alguna
otra propuesta de fechas y horarios posibles? Por mi, que sea un día que
podamos reunirnos al menos 3/4 partes.

>> Nos podemos reunir en el canal #osm-es del servidor IRC de
>> openstreetmap.org [1] o en un hangout si
> preferís vernos las caras.

La propuesta del IRC es "okupar" esa sala para hacer la reunión,
precisamente por estar vacía normalmente :P Si no os gusta el IRC, me
instalaré el hangout, telegram o lo que haga falta :)

> M, creo recordar, y compruebo en este mismo instante que no hay
> nadie por esa vía y que ahora nos movemos mayoritariamente por el grupo
> de Telegram. A lo mejor para el momento concreto de la reunión es buena
> idea usarlo pero para los preparativos, además de por esta vía creo que
> el grupo de Telegram es más útil (somos casi 60 personas las que estamos
> allí).
>> He recopilado los puntos que habéis hablado hasta ahora y alguno más.
>> Los he puesto en un pad a modo de borrador del orden del día. Por favor,
>> revisadlo y añadid o cambiad lo que veáis oportuno:
>>
>> https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/osm-es
> 
> Respecto al orden del día que has planteado creo que está muy completo,
> es más, creo que es muy optimista pues no creo que seamos capaces en una
> sola reunión que hemos organizado "a bote pronto" todas las cuestiones
> de la asociación, [...] El presidente saliente y demás habrán de estar 
> presentes,
> levantar actas...
> En este sentido, yo me había planteado primero hacer una tormenta de
> ideas, sin mucho orden, en el que tratar, como tu muy bien has recogido,
> los diferentes aspectos que ha de contener y/o organizar la asociación
> en torno a la comunidad de colaboradores/editores de OSM en España para
> luego darle forma y llevarlo a la reunión/hangout, lo que sea. De este
> modo creo que hay dos grandes bloques de asuntos a tratar respecto a la
> asociación:
> 
> 1.- uno burocrático: respecto al tema de la directiva, socios, cuotas y
> demás... de la idiosincrasia del funcionamiento de la asociación.
> 
> 2.- otro respecto a la actividad misma de la comunidad y/o los socios
> respecto al proyecto OSM: intereses de trabajo, comunicación, grupos de
> trabajo...
> 
> El segundo punto me parece el más importante, pero sin el primero casi
> estamos como ahora, por lo que hay que solucionar ambos, pero quizá no
> haya/se pueda hacer en una misma reunión.

Tienes razón es que el orden del día es muy optimista. En una reunión de
2 horas no creo que podamos con todo.

> Respecto al asunto "burocrático" sigo pensando que es buena idea si nos
> ayuda gente experta (lo digo por la idea que planteó Santiago Higuera
> con la gestoría de ONGs).

+1, creo que son debehaberasociaciones.com

> Respecto a lo segundo, y sobre la base de lo que has escrito en el
> documento se me ocurre que planteemos el tema desde lo que estamos
> dispuesto a hacer más que de lo que deberíamos de hacer. A ver si me
> explico: Mi planteamiento es crear grupos de trabajo con gente que
> quieran hacer cosas que les guste y en las que se vean más hábiles
> dentro de la comunidad, sin dejar a un lado aspectos necesarios que han
> de ser cubiertos y que no sean tan gratos, pero sin forzarnos. Mi idea
> era tener a personas clave para cada una de las tareas que se puedan ir
> planteando y que sean ellas junto con otras las que vayan dinamizando de
> una manera descentralizada cada una de las temáticas. Si atomizamos el
> trabajo y lo sabemos repartir, en especial las tareas más tediosas,
> seremos capaces, entre todos de sacar adelante muchas actividades.
> 
> ¿Te parece si reestructuro desde tu punto 6 del orden del día y le doy
> una forma más de listado de ideas/ tormenta de ideas a completar/debatir?

Me parece muy coherente la propuesta. Si os parece, hagamos la tormenta
de ideas y que la primera reunión sea sobre las actividades de la
asociación. Y los temas burocráticos los podemos dejar para la siguiente
o incluso que se encargue un grupo reducido de valientes.

Puse "necesitamos" en los puntos que considero vitales, aunque quizá no
fue buena idea.

Por favor, borra y mueve lo que consideres, me parece bien la
reestructuración.

Saludos,
Santiago

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Re: [OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

On 15.08.2016 20:53, Peter Schmidt wrote:
> Hey there,
> 
> if we can't get an admin account on the current forum, we really have to
> setup a new one.

I still hope that we get an answer from Lambertus..

> The most complicated thing would be finding an suitable software, which
> matches our preferences.

Thats apart from the admin credentials problem the big question.

> The biggest problem would be the big data loss. Without an admin we can't
> dump the db and without an db-dump we can't restore the old/existing data.

I might have a solution for this problem. I recently wrote a wrapper for
an osm project. I know that many people dont like wrappers, but it
actually works fine and would be admissible if we cant get the server
access.

> Simplest solution is to fire up the server, find some admins (I would apply
> for this position, because I already administrate some servers and
> systems), 

nice

> talk about the software and get this new thing running as fast as
> possible. Everyone would have to reregister himself if we don't get an dump.

best would be to use the osm oauth, but thats a more specific question

> So i apply for this job. But I won't do it alone.

Same for me, as I have said :) But Iam unsure how to start here. How
could we find a software and decide to use it? Who can decide which
persons are allowed to admin it?

hakuch

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Re: [OSM-ja] JOSM(10786)がなんか変

2016-08-15 Per discussione ribbon

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:02:47AM +0900, ribbon wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 04:32:12PM +0900, 下り専門 wrote:
> > JNLP(Java Web Start)から起動していますか？
> > そうでないならJNLPからの起動をお勧めします。
> > JNLPから起動しているようでしたらJavaコントロールパネルの
> > 「一般」→「インターネット一時ファイル」からJOSMのキャッシュを
> > 消してみるのを試してみてください。
> 
> 上記やってみましたが、現象は変わりませんでした。
> 
> 最新版の10797でも変化なしですね。何だろう?

念のため、本家メーリングリストとかQAサイトとかフォーラムも
見てみましたが、それっぽいのは見つかりませんでした。
#探し方が悪い、と言う可能性は大ですが。

JOSM使っている人少ないのかな?

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Re: [Talk-cz] mapovani signalu vs. BTS was Re: WeeklyOSM CZ 314

Ahoj!

> Mapováním BTSek se zabývají nadšenci na gsmweb.cz a jsou v tom hodně
>  dobří. Možná by s OSM rádi spolupracovali.

No, gsmweb ma docela kompletni a velmi presnou databazi, ktera by se
urcite v openstreetmap vyjimala. Otazka je jestli ji daji, myslim ze
pred par lety to vypadalo spis zaporne. Ale treba se situace
zmenila...

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Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

2016-08-15 Per discussione Andrew Hain

Do we know how these values are calculated, for instance do they come from an 
external source?


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Subject: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper


Hi,

I noticed a number of new admin boundaries have been tagged with ref:hectares=* 
with the numeric value giving the area of the entity in hectares.
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Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

2016-08-15 Per discussione Andrew Hain

Just out of interest, are unincorporated areas in Australia tagged with 
boundary relations?


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[Talk-us] Teton County Idaho - New Task in US Tasking Manager

2016-08-15 Per discussione Clifford Snow

There is a new task in the US Tasking Manager to fix roads in Teton County,
Idaho. If you have free time, please head over to
http://tasks.openstreetmap.us/project/58 to help improve the roads.

Thanks,
Clifford

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[OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

2016-08-15 Per discussione Microgamer

Hey there,

if we can't get an admin account on the current forum, we really have to setup 
a new one.
The most complicated thing would be finding an suitable software, which matches 
our preferences.
The biggest problem would be the big data loss. Without an admin we can't dump 
the db and without an db-dump we can't restore the old/existing data.
Simplest solution is to fire up the server, find some admins (I would apply for 
this position, because I already administrate some servers and systems), talk 
about the software and get this new thing running as fast as possible. Everyone 
would have to reregister himself if we don't get an dump.
So i apply for this job. But I won't do it alone.

Regards
Peter

P.S. Hope that pipermail now accepts my mail...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

2016-08-15 Per discussione Peter Schmidt

Hey there,

if we can't get an admin account on the current forum, we really have to
setup a new one.
The most complicated thing would be finding an suitable software, which
matches our preferences.
The biggest problem would be the big data loss. Without an admin we can't
dump the db and without an db-dump we can't restore the old/existing data.
Simplest solution is to fire up the server, find some admins (I would apply
for this position, because I already administrate some servers and
systems), talk about the software and get this new thing running as fast as
possible. Everyone would have to reregister himself if we don't get an dump.
So i apply for this job. But I won't do it alone.

Regards
Peter

P.S. Simply ignore my emailaddress. It's for mailing lists etc and it was
made by a friend. My real address is microgamer [a] protonmail.com
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] History of Townlands - What can we put on a slide?

2016-08-15 Per discussione Killian Driscoll

On 15 August 2016 at 20:01, Killian Driscoll 
wrote:

> On 15 August 2016 at 19:17, Rory McCann  wrote:
>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> As yous know, myself and Dave are doing a talk about townlands at the
>> global OSM conferences, State of the Map, in Brussels in September.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me more about the history of townlands? Something nice
>> to add to a slide?
>>
>
> See this which talks about boundaries - Baronies etc (you could say the
> townlands line up with the baronies) - based from the Iron Age
> https://www.academia.edu/3206604/Kingship_and_
> Sacrifice_Iron_Age_Bog_Bodies_and_Boundaries if you Google the bog bodies
> in images you should get some you can use
>

This pdf talks a bit about the history and the naming in the 19C etc
Landscape representation: Place and identity in nineteenth-century ordnance
survey maps of *Ireland*

A Smith - Landscape, Memory and *History*, Pluto Press: London, 2003 -
academia.edu

>
>
>
>
>> I've heard that townlands were mentioned in the Táin Bó Cúailnge. Can
>> anyone tell me more about this?
>>
>> I looked at [the scans of the Lebor na hUidre (Book of the Dun
>> Cow)](https://www.isos.dias.ie/master.html?https://www.isos.
>> dias.ie/libraries/RIA/RIA_MS_23_E_25/english/index.html?
>> ref=http://www.isos.dias.ie/libraries/RIA/english/ria_menu.html?ref=),
>> is anyone able to point to a word on a page and say "This is townland
>> X in Co. Whatever". (I tried it myself, but er, it's Old Irish). It
>> would impress to the Americans & other Europeans that the townlands
>> are ancient, and a part of our history, heritage and culture. We
>> didn't spend all these years mapping them just cause.
>>
>> Any hints?
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] History of Townlands - What can we put on a slide?

2016-08-15 Per discussione Killian Driscoll

On 15 August 2016 at 19:17, Rory McCann  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hiya,
>
> As yous know, myself and Dave are doing a talk about townlands at the
> global OSM conferences, State of the Map, in Brussels in September.
>
> Can anyone tell me more about the history of townlands? Something nice
> to add to a slide?
>

See this which talks about boundaries - Baronies etc (you could say the
townlands line up with the baronies) - based from the Iron Age
https://www.academia.edu/3206604/Kingship_and_Sacrifice_Iron_Age_Bog_Bodies_and_Boundaries
if you Google the bog bodies in images you should get some you can use




> I've heard that townlands were mentioned in the Táin Bó Cúailnge. Can
> anyone tell me more about this?
>
> I looked at [the scans of the Lebor na hUidre (Book of the Dun
> Cow)](https://www.isos.dias.ie/master.html?https://www.
> isos.dias.ie/libraries/RIA/RIA_MS_23_E_25/english/index.
> html?ref=http://www.isos.dias.ie/libraries/RIA/english/ria_menu.html?ref=
> ),
> is anyone able to point to a word on a page and say "This is townland
> X in Co. Whatever". (I tried it myself, but er, it's Old Irish). It
> would impress to the Americans & other Europeans that the townlands
> are ancient, and a part of our history, heritage and culture. We
> didn't spend all these years mapping them just cause.
>
> Any hints?
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[OSM-talk-ie] History of Townlands - What can we put on a slide?

2016-08-15 Per discussione Rory McCann

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hiya,

As yous know, myself and Dave are doing a talk about townlands at the
global OSM conferences, State of the Map, in Brussels in September.

Can anyone tell me more about the history of townlands? Something nice
to add to a slide?

I've heard that townlands were mentioned in the Táin Bó Cúailnge. Can
anyone tell me more about this?

I looked at [the scans of the Lebor na hUidre (Book of the Dun
Cow)](https://www.isos.dias.ie/master.html?https://www.isos.dias.ie/libraries/RIA/RIA_MS_23_E_25/english/index.html?ref=http://www.isos.dias.ie/libraries/RIA/english/ria_menu.html?ref=),
is anyone able to point to a word on a page and say "This is townland
X in Co. Whatever". (I tried it myself, but er, it's Old Irish). It
would impress to the Americans & other Europeans that the townlands
are ancient, and a part of our history, heritage and culture. We
didn't spend all these years mapping them just cause.

Any hints?
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Re: [Talk-cz] mapovani signalu vs. BTS was Re: WeeklyOSM CZ 314

2016-08-15 Per discussione Milan Cerny

Mapováním BTSek se zabývají nadšenci na gsmweb.cz a jsou v tom hodně dobří. 
Možná by s OSM rádi spolupracovali.
 
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> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> Datum: 15.08.2016 17:00
> Předmět: [Talk-cz] mapovani signalu vs. BTS was Re:  WeeklyOSM CZ 314
>
>On Sun 2016-08-14 21:22:40, Jan Martinec wrote:
>> Jo, ta diskuse se rozhorela u toho Herrmann-ova postu na OSM. Říct "někteří
>> nesouhlasí" je dost slabý výraz - i autor to původní vyjádření
>
>:-)
>
>> Mapa signálu je medle úplně jiný *druh* projektu než OSM, a do OSM nepatří;
>> nicméně libo-li komu, existuje OpenCellID.org , která se zabývá právě tím.
>
>Mapa signalu je jina vec nez mapa BTS stanic, a ano, je to o hodne
>jine nez OSM. Mapa BTS do OSM IMO patri, mapa signalu tezko... to je
>spis neco jako vrstevnice.
>
>   Pavel
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2016-08-15 Per discussione mmd

Hi,

Am 15.08.2016 um 16:43 schrieb Tom Hughes:


> 
> Part of the problem as I understand it is that the current site is
> running a customised code base with various patches that have never been
> passed upstream.
> 

back in November 2014, I worked with Lambertus on applying some of those
custom changes to the then current FluxBB 1.5.7. I still have them
around on Github [1]. Basically, it's a different authentication
mechanism and some UI enhancements like quick quoting, emoticons.

Somehow, those UI enhancements didn't survive the last forum update
(around Q4/2015). I believe one of the German forum moderators was
involved in that most recent update activity, but I may be wrong here.

According to my inbox, the last email conversations with Lambertus were
also in Nov 2014.

[1]
https://github.com/mmd-osm/openstreetmap-forum/commits/OpenStreetMap_forum.1.5.7



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Re: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte

2016-08-15 Per discussione Stephen Møller

Hej

php -r 'echo PHP_INT_MAX;' siger 9223372036854775807


SQL tablerne er oprettet sådan

CREATE TABLE `osmchange` (
`date` TEXT NULL COLLATE 'latin1_danish_ci',
`postnr` INT(11) NULL DEFAULT NULL,
`data` TEXT NULL COLLATE 'latin1_danish_ci'
)
COLLATE='latin1_danish_ci'
ENGINE=InnoDB
;

CREATE TABLE `osmadd` (
`date` TEXT NULL COLLATE 'latin1_danish_ci',
`postnr` INT(11) NULL DEFAULT NULL,
`data` TEXT NULL COLLATE 'latin1_danish_ci'
)
COLLATE='latin1_danish_ci'
ENGINE=InnoDB
;


De nye php filer ligger nu her https://github.com/AWSbot/PHPscript

---
Hvor kører de fra?
Min egen lille server

---
Hvem/hvad trigger kørslen?

Tilføj:

Gennemgår hvert postnummer for sig.
Ser om [adgangsadresse][vejstykke][navn]  [adgangsadresse][husnr] fra AWS
findes over i OSM [addr:street] ['addr:housenumber'] hvis ikke opretter den
en osm-fil.


Ændring:
Gennemgår hvert postnummer for sig.
Ser om lat/lon er forskellige henter noden og gemmer det i osm fil med
ændringerne.

Bemærk her kigger kun på lat/lon med 6 decimaler, så hvis en OSM bruger fx
har flyttet noden hen til hus døren flyttes den ikke tilbage igen.


---
Hvor ofte sker det?

Nå jeg har tid.


Hvilke data logges om processen, og hvor gemmes logs?

Jeg har mine osm filer og data i databasen.


Mvh


Den 15. august 2016 kl. 15.01 skrev Mikkel Kirkgaard Nielsen <
m.kirkga...@gmail.com>:

> Hej Stephen.
>
> On 2016-08-14 22:22, Stephen Møller wrote:
> > Er der nogen der kan støtte mig i det arbejde jeg laver ellers vil jeg
> > stoppe med det.
>
> Nu har jeg ikke set en definition eller konsensus omkring din rolle, men
> importen af AWS/DAWA-data mener jeg bestemt er noget der bør fortsætte.
>
> Jeg støtter dig også i, at det er helt urimeligt hvis det er én
> frivillig mands åg. At det så ender med at blive en øretævernes
> holdeplads, kan jeg udmærket forstå udraderer motivationen for at
> fortsætte. Fællesskabet bør løse opgaven sammen.
>
>
> Jeg spurgte selv ind til AWSbots funktion i
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2016-April/004593.html,
> og det kom der kode på Github af (https://github.com/AWSbot/PHPscript),
> hvilket kun kan bifaldes. Men andre detaljer står stadig hen i det uvisse.
>
> I mine øjne mangler der transparens, dokumentation og konsensus omkring
> den import der i dag foregår. Det er en skidt situation, at selv garvede
> mappere tager afstand fra at sørge for opdatering af tydeligt fejlagtige
> adressedata (uanset om årsagen er i OSM eller datakilden) pga.
> uigennemskuelighed, som jeg fornemmer er den nuværende tilstand.
>
>
> Konkret vil jeg også gerne yde bidrag til det tekniske. Har dog ikke
> endnu haft mulighed for at dykke ned i scriptene, også fordi det
> egentlig var min opfattelse at de fungerede nogenlunde tilfredsstillende.
>
> Men kan da starte ud med nogle opklarende spørgsmål omkring det mere
> driftsmæssige;
>
> Hvor kører de fra?
> Hvem/hvad trigger kørslen?
> Hvor ofte sker det?
> Hvilke data logges om processen, og hvor gemmes logs?
>
> Er der ikke anden dokumentation om grund-funktionaliteten og vigtige
> beslutninger undervejs i data-migrering end kildekoden?
>
> Har fundet lidt på mailinglisten, bl.a.
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2014-October/003927.html
> som ser ud til at være her Stephen "tager teten". Men mit indtryk er, at
> der sjældent er nogen der har sat en fed streg under konklusioner efter
> diskussioner og erklæret, "sådan gør vi fremover". Det er altid godt at
> tydeliggøre den slags helt eksplicit.
>
> Med udviklende hilsner,
> --
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> Il giorno 15 ago 2016, alle ore 17:08, Alecs  
> ha scritto:
> 
> Secondo me ha senso come idea, quello che mi convince meno è che la "piazza"
> ha poco in comune con quello che descrive il tag place=*, mi sembra più
> intuitivo qualcosa come highway=square, rischia di generare confusione.


è un luogo con un nome, per me ha senso place. È proprio il highway che ha meno 
senso per tutto (la piazza e tutto ciò sopra)

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Re: [Talk-it] place=square

2016-08-15 Per discussione Alecs

Secondo me ha senso come idea, quello che mi convince meno è che la "piazza"
ha poco in comune con quello che descrive il tag place=*, mi sembra più
intuitivo qualcosa come highway=square, rischia di generare confusione.

Ciao,
Alessandro


dieterdreist wrote
> Vorrei segnalere il tag in oggetto, place=square
> 
> E' un nuovo metodo per mappare piazze, larghi ecc., che penso potrebbe
> funzionare meglio del highway=pedestrian, area=yes.
> 
> Finora ci sono soltanto 400 di questi, ma se aiutate tutti possiamo in
> breve tempo spingere l'uso e chiedere che venga renderizzato sulla mappa
> principale.
> 
> Il vantaggio di questo nuovo tag è che può essere messo a prescindere
> della
> accessibilità, quindi è semanticamente più corretto (per esempio può
> includere statue, fontane, aree della strada, ecc.)
> 
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> Martin
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[Talk-cz] mapovani signalu vs. BTS was Re: WeeklyOSM CZ 314

On Sun 2016-08-14 21:22:40, Jan Martinec wrote:
> Jo, ta diskuse se rozhorela u toho Herrmann-ova postu na OSM. Říct "někteří
> nesouhlasí" je dost slabý výraz - i autor to původní vyjádření

:-)

> Mapa signálu je medle úplně jiný *druh* projektu než OSM, a do OSM nepatří;
> nicméně libo-li komu, existuje OpenCellID.org , která se zabývá právě tím.

Mapa signalu je jina vec nez mapa BTS stanic, a ano, je to o hodne
jine nez OSM. Mapa BTS do OSM IMO patri, mapa signalu tezko... to je
spis neco jako vrstevnice.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Mapovani GSM was Re: WeeklyOSM CZ 314

On Mon 2016-08-15 16:45:50, Miroslav Suchy wrote:
> Dne 15.8.2016 v 16:28 Pavel Machek napsal(a):
> > ale to
> > "tady nekde" bude mit chybu na radu kilometru
> 
> Nikoliv. Kdyz se pouzije TimeAdvance z GSM signalu, tak ziskate soustredne 
> kruznice s +- 400 metry.
> Triangulaci dostanete plochu s presnosti 300 metru. V polovine
> pripadu (husta sit BTS) tak presnost 100 metru.

Mluvime o zjistovani polohy BTS, ze?

Time advance se tusim da zjistit pouze hovoru a ne bezni pristupnymi
metodami, takze sluzby typu opencellid to nesbiraji a nepouzivaji :-(.

A jako jo, s chybou 100m uz by to bylo mozne dostat i do OSM, protoze
BTSky nejsou az tak huste..

Skoda ze kazda BTS na sobe nema cedulku s lac/cellid ;-).

>  A to jsou jenom 3 mereni. Dalsim merenim z vice mist je mozne se
> dostat na presnost stejnou jako GPS tj. plus minus nekolik metru.

Jasny, jde to, ale dela to nekdo? Jaky je na to potreba hw/sw?
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Re: [Talk-cz] Mapovani GSM was Re: WeeklyOSM CZ 314

2016-08-15 Per discussione Miroslav Suchy

Dne 15.8.2016 v 16:28 Pavel Machek napsal(a):
> ale to
> "tady nekde" bude mit chybu na radu kilometru

Nikoliv. Kdyz se pouzije TimeAdvance z GSM signalu, tak ziskate soustredne 
kruznice s +- 400 metry.
Triangulaci dostanete plochu s presnosti 300 metru. V polovine pripadu (husta 
sit BTS) tak presnost 100 metru.

A to jsou jenom 3 mereni. Dalsim merenim z vice mist je mozne se dostat na 
presnost stejnou jako GPS tj. plus minus
nekolik metru.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

2016-08-15 Per discussione Tom Hughes


On 15/08/16 15:20, Daniel Koć wrote:

W dniu 15.08.2016 15:15, Tom Hughes napisał(a):


Lambertus is the server administrator. There is literally nobody else
that can help you as far as I know.


1. Are we aware of any other part of OSM infrastructure vulnerable to
such "hit by bus" situation?


No, the forums are unusual in that they were an existing external 
service that we simply gave a new name to by pointing an osm.org name at 
the relevant address.


Pretty much everything else is run by the main operations team.


2. Do we have a place where we could install the replacement in case the
forum stops being usable - or just to make "subforums" for countries
which wants to use this communication channel?


We made a machine available ages ago for the forum to be moved onto OSM 
hosted hardware but it has never happened.


That machine still exists. I think it is turned off right now but we 
could turn it on again. I don't think we would want to run a parallel 
infrastructure though so it would be a question of somebody doing the 
work to move things over or of starting from scratch which would still 
require somebody to do the work to find and configure some suitable 
software.


Part of the problem as I understand it is that the current site is 
running a customised code base with various patches that have never been 
passed upstream.


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[Talk-cz] Mapovani GSM was Re: WeeklyOSM CZ 314

Ahoj!

> Najskor som to v newsletteri nevedel najst, pre ostatnych je to = 
> "HermannstadtGeographer se snaží podpořit 
>  
> mapování základnových stanic mobilních sítí v OSM. Vypadá to, že ne každý 
> komentující s ním souhlasí."

Dik :-). Asi jsem jeden z tech co s nim nesouhlasi. 

> Ak spravne rozumiem tej technologii, tak mapu signalu mozes spravit tak, ze:
> a) merias signal na roznych miestach krajiny a spravis z toho mapu

Presne. Na tohle par projektu je. opencellid.org , tusim ze
opensignalmap.org (nevim jestli "open" v nazvu je "opravdove").

> b) mapujes BTS-ky + silu BTS + rusicky BTS (ak nieco take existuje) a potom 
> z toho vyrenderujes mapu signalu kde musis zaratat aj relief zeme.
> 
> pre pripad b) by teda mapovanie BTS malo vyznam.

Jo, jen si nejsem jisty jestli b) nekdo dela v "open"
komunite. Operatori to tak delaji, ale myslim ze je to stoji velke
usili, a maji podstatne lepsi/presnejsi informace... treba i o
vysilacich vykonech. Rusicky BTS existuji -- jsou to jine BTS na
stejnym kanalu.

> Zaujimave je ze v diskusii spominaju, ze to sa uz davno deje:
> * "There are several other projects, dedicated to cell tower mapping, and 
> there is no sense in trying to do what they already doing in one more 
> project."
> 
> * "this data is already existing, and open source. just make a layer or 
> whatever, i'm new. http://opencellid.org/ and others are available"

No, ono deje, ale ma to hacky.

Souhlasim ze do openstreetmap patri informace "tady je stozar, ten
stozar je bts, ta bts ma takovyhle mcc/mnc/lac/cellid".

Bohuzel, opencellid takovouhle informaci _nema_ -- tam je akorat
mereni "na tomhle miste je slyset bts, ktera ma
mcc/mnc/lac/cellid". Kdyz takovych mereni zprumeruju hodne, dostanu se
na "tady nekde zrejme je bts s temihle mcc/mnc/lac/cellid", ale to
"tady nekde" bude mit chybu na radu kilometru, nejspis nevhodne pro
openstreetmap :-(... a nepouzitelne pro "pripad b)" nahore.

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Re: [Talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 314

2016-08-15 Per discussione Ladislav Nesnera

léta používám Mozilla Stumbler
[https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=stumbler=org.mozilla.mozstumbler]


On 14/08/16 21:22, Jan Martinec wrote:
>
> Jo, ta diskuse se rozhorela u toho Herrmann-ova postu na OSM. Říct
> "někteří nesouhlasí" je dost slabý výraz - i autor to původní
> vyjádření zmírnil. (V následujícím postu řeší využití OSM dat a
> autonomních dronů při záchranných operacích - zjevně mu nechybí
> fantazie, proč ne, od toho konečně ty blogy a diskuse pod nimi jsou).
>
> Mapa signálu je medle úplně jiný *druh* projektu než OSM, a do OSM
> nepatří; nicméně libo-li komu, existuje OpenCellID.org , která se
> zabývá právě tím.
>
> Honza "Piškvor" Martinec
>
>
> Dne 14. 8. 2016 18:46 napsal uživatel "Pavel Machek"  >:
>
> On Fri 2016-08-12 20:14:23, Tom Ka wrote:
> > Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 314 týdeníku weeklyOSM:
> >
> > http://www.weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/7896
> 
> >
> > Téma čísla: Aktivní vrstva na OpenStreetMap.cz
> >
> > * Výročí KAPORu v OSM.
> > * Využití Strava v OSM.
> > * Domácí přesná GPS.
> > * Formule 1 používá OSM.
>
> ...a uplne zcestne argumenty pro mapovani BTSek :-(.
>
> Jako ano, mapa BTSek by se mi libila, ale argument "kdyz me unosci
> vysadi v lese tak abych vedel kterym smerem se mam vydat k signalu"
> me uplne neuchvacuje. Plus, to by chtelo mapu _signalu_, a ne mapu
> BTSek... BTSka ma dosah v desitkach kilometru...
> Pavel
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Re: [OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

2016-08-15 Per discussione Daniel Koć


W dniu 15.08.2016 15:15, Tom Hughes napisał(a):


Lambertus is the server administrator. There is literally nobody else
that can help you as far as I know.


1. Are we aware of any other part of OSM infrastructure vulnerable to 
such "hit by bus" situation?


2. Do we have a place where we could install the replacement in case the 
forum stops being usable - or just to make "subforums" for countries 
which wants to use this communication channel?


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Re: [Talk-it] place=square



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> Il giorno 15 ago 2016, alle ore 16:04, girarsi_liste 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Quindi er capire bene, il nome della piazza se c'è va sul place e non
> sulla highway, giusto?


va su entrambi, come va anche su tutti i percorsi disegnati sopra (es. strade)


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Re: [Talk-it] place=square

2016-08-15 Per discussione girarsi_liste

Il 15/08/2016 15:59, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
> 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
>> Il giorno 15 ago 2016, alle ore 14:54, Federico Cortese 
>>  ha scritto:
>>
>> Non credevo fosse un'alternativa ad highway=pedestrian+area=yes, ma un
>> metodo in più per indicare l'intera piazza insieme a tutto quello che
>> contiene (compreso lo spazio pedestrain).
> 
> 
> +1, si infatti, è un nuovo metodo per mappare piazze e larghi. Non è un 
> alternativa
> 
Quindi er capire bene, il nome della piazza se c'è va sul place e non
sulla highway, giusto?


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> Il giorno 15 ago 2016, alle ore 14:54, Federico Cortese 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Non credevo fosse un'alternativa ad highway=pedestrian+area=yes, ma un
> metodo in più per indicare l'intera piazza insieme a tutto quello che
> contiene (compreso lo spazio pedestrain).


+1, si infatti, è un nuovo metodo per mappare piazze e larghi. Non è un 
alternativa

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Re: [Talk-it] [english 100%] Re: Edit war Sardegna

2016-08-15 Per discussione Fayor Uno

La "guerra" si è fermata solo perché così è stato chiesto dall'OSMF Data 
Working Group.


Ho fatto presente che dovrebbero intervenire per trovare una soluzione e che 
fino a quel momento dovrebbe essere ripristinata la situazione precedente 
(unico nome), modificata arbitrariamente; hanno risposto che interverranno ma 
al momento non è accaduto.



Da: Federico Cortese 
Inviato: lunedì 15 agosto 2016 13.04
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] [english 100%] Re: Edit war Sardegna

2016-08-15 9:57 GMT+02:00 Francesco Pelullo :
>
> Scusa Federico ma questa volta non sono d'accordo, una votazione sarebbe
> utile se ci fosse un caso dubbio, nella fattispecie a me sembra chiarissimo
> che la situazione sarda sia diversa (in ogni senso) da quella altoatesina o
> valdostana.
>
> Agli amici sardi propongo di realizzare un rendering personalizzato e
> pubblicare una mappa dei nomi sardi, scegliendo di far apparire il tag
> name:xx che si preferisce, come già fatto dai friulani.
>
Invece io sono d'accordo con te. Purtroppo quello che a noi sembra
chiaro ad altri invece sembra chiaro al contrario, quindi suggerivo
una votazione per mettere un punto alla questione.
Nel frattempo il rubamazzetto si è fermato perchè fayor ha interrotto
i revert, ma non è giusto che la situazione rimanga questa (doppio
nome) senza che si arrivi ad una conclusione qui e di questo passo non
credo ci si arriverà mai.
Ciao
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Re: [OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

On 15.08.2016 15:15, Tom Hughes wrote:
> Lambertus is the server administrator. There is literally nobody else
> that can help you as far as I know.

mh true: daresel07.oxilion.nl.

Only solution could be to set up a new forum and change the
forum.openstreetmap.org target. Thats not what I would prefer to do.

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> Il giorno 15 ago 2016, alle ore 14:45, girarsi_liste 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Quindi si crea il poligono della piazza soltanto con il place=square, e
> non si mette highway=pedestrian, area=yes, ed eventuali multipoligoni,
> nel caso si ricorra a queto tipo di tag, devono essere tolti, mi
> riferisco per esempio ai multipoligoni di piazze con fontane o parchi al
> loro interno, di cui si è ricorso al multipoligono per la renderizzazione?


io non toglierei le highway pedestrian aree, ma aggiungerei soltanto un nuovo 
poligono place=square e name=* (se non c'è nome non metterei il place =square). 
Nel caso esistesse già un multipoligono potresti duplicarlo e togliere poi i 
tag tranne il type ed il name, togli anche gli inner way e aggiungi 
place=square.


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Re: [Talk-it] place=square

2016-08-15 Per discussione Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi

Il giorno lun, 15/08/2016 alle 14.54 +0200, Federico Cortese ha scritto:

> Non credevo fosse un'alternativa ad highway=pedestrian+area=yes, ma un
> metodo in più per indicare l'intera piazza insieme a tutto quello che
> contiene (compreso lo spazio pedestrain).
> Ciao
> Federico

Si, infatti non direi che è un metodo alternativo, piuttosto un modo per
dare un nome ad aree eterogenee.
Utile anche per avere un oggetto a cui fare riferimento con addr:place
negli indirizzi, piuttosto che con addr:street

Lorenzo


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Re: [OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

2016-08-15 Per discussione Tom Hughes


On 15/08/16 13:57, Hakuch wrote:


I again tried to contact Lambertus using different channels. I propose,
if we dont get any answers within two weeks (Iam trying to contact him
since april) we should ask the server administration to get the admin
credentials.


Lambertus is the server administrator. There is literally nobody else 
that can help you as far as I know.


Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

I again tried to contact Lambertus using different channels. I propose,
if we dont get any answers within two weeks (Iam trying to contact him
since april) we should ask the server administration to get the admin
credentials.

However, there needs to be people who would like to take over the
responsibility. Even if its only temporary. I would do it, as I hope to
have some free time from september, but I wont like to do it alone. I
would prefer a team of three persons.

On 16.07.2016 12:46, Daniel Koć wrote:
> W dniu 15.07.2016 0:42, Michał Brzozowski napisał(a):
>> Somebody also tried to contact Lambertus to no avail, asking for
>> creation of users:Iceland
>> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=55089
> 
> It's not created yet, however (as a forum moderator) I've just found
> that last action on report he took on 2016-07-11 21:57:05, so he's not
> entirely absent. He's just hard to contact, we don't know what's going
> on and who could act instead of him, which is still bad enough for me.
> 

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Re: [Talk-it] place=square

2016-08-15 12:41 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
> Vorrei segnalere il tag in oggetto, place=square
>
> E' un nuovo metodo per mappare piazze, larghi ecc., che penso potrebbe
> funzionare meglio del highway=pedestrian, area=yes.
>
Non credevo fosse un'alternativa ad highway=pedestrian+area=yes, ma un
metodo in più per indicare l'intera piazza insieme a tutto quello che
contiene (compreso lo spazio pedestrain).
Ciao
Federico

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[OSM-talk-ie] GoSafe PDF

2016-08-15 Per discussione Colm Moore

Hi,
With any public document that is available in PDF, you will normally be able to 
get the source word processor, spreadsheet, etc. original on request.
Colm

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> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:59:54 +0100
> From: Donie Kelly 
> To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland 
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Police Stations
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Are we entitled to any better data format apart from pdf which lists the 
> zones, new and old, would be handy for processing. Kinda hard to extract the 
> stuff from pdf, can’t even copy and paste properly from it.
> 
> 
> Donie
> 

  
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Re: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte

2016-08-15 Per discussione Niels Elgaard Larsen



Soren Johannessen:
> Hej skud i tågen kan det være 32bit issue? OSM har nu over 4,2-mia nodes
> og så skal al software\scripts håndtere 64bit for at node id,er over
> nummer 4,2 bliver korrekte
> 
> Bare et gæt herfra sommerlandet


Det er da et godt gæt

Knude 3405601010 er ca 3.2*2^30


Vi kan starte med PHP. Stephan, hvad siger:

php -r 'echo PHP_INT_MAX;'


Knuden i et af de changeset, som hjart revertede er:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3405601010

Hvis man ser på koordinaterne i changesettet, så passer det med
adresseknuden: Vanløse Allé 60, 2720 Vanløse, som er:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/340561010


De to knudenumre er altså:


340561010 og
3405601010


Så vi leder efter noget, der indsætter et 0 midt i et nummer.

> Vh Søren
> 
> 
> Den 15/08/2016 13.54 skrev "Jørgen Elgaard Larsen"  >:
> 
> Michael Andersen skrev:
> 
> I aftes var der tale om at botten i 5 tilfælde hentede
> tilsyneladende
> tilfældige noder i Rusland, Canada og Ægypten til DK og taggede
> dem med danske
> adressedata.
> 
> 
> Det er selvfølgelig rigtig skidt!
> 
> Hvis den bare oprettede ekstra adresser i udlandet, var det ikke så
> slemt - men hvis den flytter eksisterende noder, bør den stoppes
> indtil fejlen er rettet.
> 
> Jeg skal gerne bakke op om Stephan med teknisk hjælp.
> 
> 
> Men efter min mening er det problematisk, at vi er afhængige af
> enkeltpersoner til vedligeholdelse af væsentlige services som
> AWSbot, OISfixes, Geodatastyrelsen-fotos etc.
> 
> 
> Ville det være interessant at flytte det hele til en maskine, som en
> arbejdsgruppe kunne have adgang til?
> 
> Det ville også være godt at få AWSbot til at benytte OISfixes.
> 
> 
> - Jørgen
> 
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Re: [Talk-it] place=square

2016-08-15 Per discussione girarsi_liste

Il 15/08/2016 12:41, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
> Vorrei segnalere il tag in oggetto, place=square
> 
> E' un nuovo metodo per mappare piazze, larghi ecc., che penso potrebbe
> funzionare meglio del highway=pedestrian, area=yes.
> 
> Finora ci sono soltanto 400 di questi, ma se aiutate tutti possiamo in
> breve tempo spingere l'uso e chiedere che venga renderizzato sulla mappa
> principale.
> 
> Il vantaggio di questo nuovo tag è che può essere messo a prescindere della
> accessibilità, quindi è semanticamente più corretto (per esempio può
> includere statue, fontane, aree della strada, ecc.)
> 
> Ciao,
> Martin
> 
> 

Quindi si crea il poligono della piazza soltanto con il place=square, e
non si mette highway=pedestrian, area=yes, ed eventuali multipoligoni,
nel caso si ricorra a queto tipo di tag, devono essere tolti, mi
riferisco per esempio ai multipoligoni di piazze con fontane o parchi al
loro interno, di cui si è ricorso al multipoligono per la renderizzazione?




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Re: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte

2016-08-15 Per discussione Soren Johannessen

Hej skud i tågen kan det være 32bit issue? OSM har nu over 4,2-mia nodes og
så skal al software\scripts håndtere 64bit for at node id,er over nummer
4,2 bliver korrekte

Bare et gæt herfra sommerlandet

Vh Søren

Den 15/08/2016 13.54 skrev "Jørgen Elgaard Larsen" :

> Michael Andersen skrev:
>
>> I aftes var der tale om at botten i 5 tilfælde hentede tilsyneladende
>> tilfældige noder i Rusland, Canada og Ægypten til DK og taggede dem med
>> danske
>> adressedata.
>>
>
> Det er selvfølgelig rigtig skidt!
>
> Hvis den bare oprettede ekstra adresser i udlandet, var det ikke så slemt
> - men hvis den flytter eksisterende noder, bør den stoppes indtil fejlen er
> rettet.
>
> Jeg skal gerne bakke op om Stephan med teknisk hjælp.
>
>
> Men efter min mening er det problematisk, at vi er afhængige af
> enkeltpersoner til vedligeholdelse af væsentlige services som AWSbot,
> OISfixes, Geodatastyrelsen-fotos etc.
>
>
> Ville det være interessant at flytte det hele til en maskine, som en
> arbejdsgruppe kunne have adgang til?
>
> Det ville også være godt at få AWSbot til at benytte OISfixes.
>
>
> - Jørgen
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte

2016-08-15 Per discussione Niels Elgaard Larsen



sfro...@gmail.com:
> Den automatiske adresse opdatering har bestemt for stor værdi til at
> stoppe den, så spørgsmålet er hvordan de eklatante skæverter bedst
> undgås. Det må være sjældent at en adresse flyttes ret langt geografisk
> set. En mulighed kunne være at kræve manuel godkendelse hvis noget
> flyttes mere end fx 100 meter?

Jeg ved ikke hvor sjældent det er, men det kunne man jo undersøge.

Vi har fundet en hel del adresseknuder, der var placeret kilometervis
forkert. Og hvis kommunerne retter det inden vi opdager det, bliver de
jo flyttet et godt stykke.

Hvis vi opdager det først, tagges de typisk med ois:fixme og ignoreses
af Bot-en. Men vi burde lave et script, der kan finde de knuder, der er
tagges med ois:fixme, men som derefter er rettet ved kilden, så vi kan
fjerne ois:fixme tagget.



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Re: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte

2016-08-15 Per discussione Michael Andersen

Bemærk at der var tale om en midlertidig 12 timers blokering (se 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AWSbot/blocks), som udløb for 3 timer siden 
og som havde til formål at påkalde Stephens opmærksomhed og få ham i tale. Det 
glæder mig at det lykkedes og det glæder mig også at der ser ud at være 
forståelse for at vi er nødt til at se på hvordan vi får optimeret 
import/opdateringsprocessen i forhold til at undgå unødige skæverter.

Kilderegistrering mener jeg ikke umiddelbart falder ind under AWSbot's 
opgaver.

Mandag den 15. august 2016 10:28:14 skrev Julian Hollingbery:
> Hej,
> 
> Jeg tænker at det vil være en mere pragmatisk løsning at bruge sine kræfter
> på at få kommunerne til at rette deres adressedata end at blokere for
> AWSbot? På den måde gavner vi også andre end OSM.
 Min erfaring med geodata
> (offentlige og andre) er, at kvaliteten bedst løftes ved at først at
> optimere kilderegistreringen, og dernæst kigge på automatisk
> databehandling. Alt andet lige fungerer AWSbot jo godt i de fleste
> tilfælde.
> 
> Mvh
> /julian
> 
> 
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 Sendt: 15. august 2016 00:38
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> Dagens emner:
> 
>1. AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte (Michael Andersen)
>2. Re: AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte (Stephen Møller)
>3. Re: AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte (Thorbjorn Nielsen)
>4. Re: AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte (Michel Coene)
>5. Re: AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte
>   (Niels Elgaard Larsen)
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:07:20 +0200
> From: Michael Andersen 
> To: OpenStreetMap Denmark 
> Subject: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte
> Message-ID: <4955509.OcM5HFp0EZ@linux-7weu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hej
> 
> Jeg sidder lige nu og kan se http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AWSbot lave
> nogle ret uheldige ændringer: (f.eks. 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41452377 og
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41452183)
> 
> Jeg har kommenteret de 2 eksempler men desværre uden respons (og har også
> for ikke så længe siden uden held kommenteret et par andre ændringssæt), så
> nu prøver jeg ad denne vej.
 
> AWSbot bør omgående stoppe alle opdateringer og få fikset de her ting inden
> den fortsætter. Ellers bliver vi nødt til at få DWG til at blokere den.
 
> Mvh Hjart
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:22:01 +0200
> From: Stephen Møller 
> To: OpenStreetMap Denmark 
> Subject: Re: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hej
> 
> Er der nogen der kan støtte mig i det arbejde jeg laver ellers vil jeg
> stoppe med det.
 
> Det betyder at der ikke komme nye adresser fra kommunerne ind i OSM anden de
> laves manuelt eller andre skal hente det selv fra AWS.
 
> Jeg er træt at at DWG altid giver Hjart ret og lukker min bruger uden jeg
> kan forsvare det.
 
> Hvis jeg skriver til dem vil min bruger jo være låst op igen, fordi det kun
> er blokering på 12, 24 eller 48 timer.
 
> Hilsen ham der styre AWSbot
> 
> Den 14. aug. 2016 9.08 PM skrev "Michael Andersen" :
> 
> 
> > Hej
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeg sidder lige nu og kan se http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AWSbot 
> > lave nogle ret uheldige ændringer: (f.eks.
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41452377 og
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41452183)
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeg har kommenteret de 2 eksempler men desværre uden respons (og har 
> > også for ikke så længe siden uden held kommenteret et par andre 
> > ændringssæt), så nu prøver jeg ad denne vej.
> >
> >
> >
> > AWSbot bør omgående stoppe alle opdateringer og få fikset de her ting 
> > inden den fortsætter. Ellers bliver vi nødt til at få DWG til at 
> > blokere den.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mvh Hjart
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-it] [english 100%] Re: Edit war Sardegna

2016-08-15 9:57 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
> e chi può votare, tutta la comunità globale, solo quella nell'unione europea, 
> nell'Italia, in Sardegna, nel luogo in questione?
>
> Aggiungerei per forma anche l'ipotesi solo nome sardo. Comunque, dalla mappa 
> sembra che al nord il corso dovrebbe essere l'altra lingua.
>

Tutti quelli che vogliono esprimersi. D'altra parte come fai a sapere
se tizio fa parte della comunità sarda o meno? Perchè è residente?
Perchè ci è nato? Perchè ci passa le vacanze?
Quindi direi che chiunque lo desideri debba poter votare.
Ciao
Federico

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Re: [Talk-it] [english 100%] Re: Edit war Sardegna

2016-08-15 9:57 GMT+02:00 Francesco Pelullo :
>
> Scusa Federico ma questa volta non sono d'accordo, una votazione sarebbe
> utile se ci fosse un caso dubbio, nella fattispecie a me sembra chiarissimo
> che la situazione sarda sia diversa (in ogni senso) da quella altoatesina o
> valdostana.
>
> Agli amici sardi propongo di realizzare un rendering personalizzato e
> pubblicare una mappa dei nomi sardi, scegliendo di far apparire il tag
> name:xx che si preferisce, come già fatto dai friulani.
>
Invece io sono d'accordo con te. Purtroppo quello che a noi sembra
chiaro ad altri invece sembra chiaro al contrario, quindi suggerivo
una votazione per mettere un punto alla questione.
Nel frattempo il rubamazzetto si è fermato perchè fayor ha interrotto
i revert, ma non è giusto che la situazione rimanga questa (doppio
nome) senza che si arrivi ad una conclusione qui e di questo passo non
credo ci si arriverà mai.
Ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] [english 100%] Re: Edit war Sardegna

2016-08-15 Per discussione EneaSuper

Quoto, ormai penso che sia la cosa migliore da fare...



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Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

2016-08-15 Per discussione Warin


On 8/15/2016 7:03 PM, Colin Smale wrote:


Hi Will,

Fully agree with you. I also tried to contribute to that changeset 
discussion. If you hadn't reverted that admin level change, I would 
have...


Some of his ideas are on his diary pages [1] and my admin boundary 
page [2].


Colin

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alexkemp/diary

[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Csmale/ukboundaries

On 2016-08-15 10:41, Will Phillips wrote:


Hi,

This user is currently adding admin_level=10 admin boundaries, which 
we use for civil parishes (or communities), to areas where no such 
administrative unit exists. To me this seems problematic because my 
understanding is that these are legal entities which either exist or 
they don't. Additionally, it makes OSM boundary data harder to use. 
If I run a query to find which boundaries a node is within, I'd only 
expect real admin boundary areas to be returned. The user is adding 
designation tags (designation=non-civil_parish) to indicate they 
aren't real, but this is undocumented and data users shouldn't have 
to check a secondary tag to find out whether a relation is a real 
civil parish or not.


The aim seems to be to improve the results returned by Nominatim and 
other geocoders, but surely this is the wrong way to go about it.


Here is an example of one of these non-civil parish relations 
covering the whole of the City of Nottingham, where no such 
administrative unit has ever existed: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6448042


I have raised this issue with the user directly but the tone has 
turned unpleasant and to me feels quite threatening.  I accept my 
initial comment suggesting that one of these relations should be 
deleted could have been worded much more tactfully, but I don't feel 
in justifies his aggressive responses since. I was frustrated at 
finding one of the these non-existent boundaries covering my local 
area with an inaccurate name.


Will

On 15/08/2016 08:39, Colin Smale wrote:


Hi,

I noticed a number of new admin boundaries have been tagged with 
ref:hectares=* with the numeric value giving the area of the entity 
in hectares. This feels to me like an inappropriate use of "ref" and 
also redundant as the area can be calculated simply from the 
geometry anyway. When I queried this with the mapper (user alexkemp) 
via a changeset discussion [1] I got the following response:


"This is an automated response: sorry, but I'm too busy mapping too 
be able to spare the time to respond to you. Thank you for your 
interest in my mapping. -Alex Kemp"


Any thoughts about the tagging?

Any thoughts about engaging the user? There is also a discussion on 
another one of his changesets where he unilaterally diverged from 
the established tagging [2].


Colin

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41449409

[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41371134



He is active on his diary pages .. and they make entertaining reading 
and are sometimes informative.


_Area..._
Regarding the ref:hectares ... humm while the area might be calculated 
correctly for a 'flat' area .. most have slopes ... don't know if that 
is officially included in area calculations :) Probably not.


There does appear to be some demand for tagging areas .. e.g. Area_sq_m 
(8,164), area:ha (4,109) and others. Unfortunately the tag 'area' is a 
simple indication of a shape being rendered .. and it would be confusing 
to use it as a numerical value. Possibly there needs to be some 
provision/instruction on the OSMwiki for this?

_
__Parishes .. admin boundaries etc..._
Not me! I have not dabbled in this, other than fixing some that were 
broken and I had easy access to the data (not UK ones). Think Alex has a 
diary entry on it with his thinking... might be a place to indicate a 
different interpretation compared to his thoughts (in a polite manner)?


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[Talk-de] städtische Plätze, place=square

Einige haben es sicherlich schon mitbekommen, aber ich würde gerne nochmal
etwas Werbung machen für den neuen tag place=square, mit dem man benannte
Plätze in Siedlungen mappen kann.

Bisher wurde dafür highway=pedestrian und area=yes benutzt, das sollte aber
besser nur für die eigentlichen Fußgängerfläche benutzt werden. Flächen wie
Pflanzbeete und andere Grünflächen, Brunnen, Statuen, Bauten auf dem Platz
(z.B. Kioske) etc. will man zwar auch "auf dem Platz" haben, aber eben
nicht als Teil der Fußgängerfläche (genausowenig wie Straßenflächen).

In diesem Sinne, bitte benutzt das neue Feature überall, wo es passt.

Gruß,
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[Talk-it] place=square

Vorrei segnalere il tag in oggetto, place=square

E' un nuovo metodo per mappare piazze, larghi ecc., che penso potrebbe
funzionare meglio del highway=pedestrian, area=yes.

Finora ci sono soltanto 400 di questi, ma se aiutate tutti possiamo in
breve tempo spingere l'uso e chiedere che venga renderizzato sulla mappa
principale.

Il vantaggio di questo nuovo tag è che può essere messo a prescindere della
accessibilità, quindi è semanticamente più corretto (per esempio può
includere statue, fontane, aree della strada, ecc.)

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte

2016-08-15 Per discussione Julian Hollingbery

Hej,

Jeg tænker at det vil være en mere pragmatisk løsning at bruge sine kræfter på 
at få kommunerne til at rette deres adressedata end at blokere for AWSbot? På 
den måde gavner vi også andre end OSM.
Min erfaring med geodata (offentlige og andre) er, at kvaliteten bedst løftes 
ved at først at optimere kilderegistreringen, og dernæst kigge på automatisk 
databehandling.
Alt andet lige fungerer AWSbot jo godt i de fleste tilfælde.

Mvh
/julian


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Dagens emner:

   1. AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte (Michael Andersen)
   2. Re: AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte (Stephen Møller)
   3. Re: AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte (Thorbjorn Nielsen)
   4. Re: AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte (Michel Coene)
   5. Re: AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte
  (Niels Elgaard Larsen)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:07:20 +0200
From: Michael Andersen 
To: OpenStreetMap Denmark 
Subject: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte
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Hej

Jeg sidder lige nu og kan se http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AWSbot lave 
nogle ret uheldige ændringer: (f.eks. 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41452377 og
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41452183)

Jeg har kommenteret de 2 eksempler men desværre uden respons (og har også for 
ikke så længe siden uden held kommenteret et par andre ændringssæt), så nu 
prøver jeg ad denne vej.

AWSbot bør omgående stoppe alle opdateringer og få fikset de her ting inden den 
fortsætter. Ellers bliver vi nødt til at få DWG til at blokere den.

Mvh Hjart



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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:22:01 +0200
From: Stephen Møller 
To: OpenStreetMap Denmark 
Subject: Re: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte
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Hej

Er der nogen der kan støtte mig i det arbejde jeg laver ellers vil jeg stoppe 
med det.

Det betyder at der ikke komme nye adresser fra kommunerne ind i OSM anden de 
laves manuelt eller andre skal hente det selv fra AWS.

Jeg er træt at at DWG altid giver Hjart ret og lukker min bruger uden jeg kan 
forsvare det.

Hvis jeg skriver til dem vil min bruger jo være låst op igen, fordi det kun er 
blokering på 12, 24 eller 48 timer.

Hilsen ham der styre AWSbot

Den 14. aug. 2016 9.08 PM skrev "Michael Andersen" :

> Hej
>
> Jeg sidder lige nu og kan se http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AWSbot 
> lave nogle ret uheldige ændringer: (f.eks.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41452377 og
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41452183)
>
> Jeg har kommenteret de 2 eksempler men desværre uden respons (og har 
> også for ikke så længe siden uden held kommenteret et par andre 
> ændringssæt), så nu prøver jeg ad denne vej.
>
> AWSbot bør omgående stoppe alle opdateringer og få fikset de her ting 
> inden den fortsætter. Ellers bliver vi nødt til at få DWG til at 
> blokere den.
>
> Mvh Hjart
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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 23:05:17 +0200
From: Thorbjorn Nielsen 
To: OpenStreetMap Denmark 
Subject: Re: [Talk-dk] AWSbot tager noder flere tusinde km borte
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Hej Stephen.

Jeg støtter! Jeg er ikke særlig aktiv i community'et, så min støtte er måske 
ikke så meget værd.

Hvis bot'en laver fejl, bør de selvfølgelig rettes, men Kommunen er

Re: [Talk-cz] Pár dotazů

2016-08-15 Per discussione Miroslav Suchy

Dne 13.8.2016 v 21:45 Michal Poupa napsal(a):
> 2) Poraďte mi OSM klienta pro iPhone a iPad - jak on-line tak off-line 
> (zatáhnul jsem OpenMaps a maps.me ).

tl;dr: Není.

Ano existuje maps.me. Které je super na přidání webovek existujícího obchodu 
nebo na přidání otvíracích hodin. Nebo na
přidání hospody, ale ostatní POI má dost omezené.

Sice existují různé editory (mám zkušenost pro Android např. Vespucci). Ale 
pracovat s nimi je spíše utrpení než radost.
Pro iPhone sice existuje:
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple_iOS#Editing_the_map

Ale doporučuji na iPhone si udělat jenom záznam trasy
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple_iOS#Track_recording
a přenést to do mapy až na počítači.

Mirek

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Re: [Talk-cz] Pár dotazů

2016-08-15 Per discussione jzvc


Dne 13.8.2016 v 23:36 Jan Martinec napsal(a):

Může - a nemusí. Při dotazu na dlaždice se zkontroluje validita aktuálně
vyrenderovaných dlaždic (tady se můžete minout s aktualizacemi z
databáze, které přicházejí v minutovém intervalu), pokud je tam změna,
tak se označí jako zastaralé, a postupně je prochází renderer, generuje
aktuální a ty se nějak dostanou na tileservery (a,b,c)*(geografické
regiony).

No. A když se to všechno správně sejde, a renderer nemá zrovna moc práce
(celosvětově!), tak někdy nastane situace, že se to vyrenderuje rovnou,
ještě do toho Vašeho požadavku. Mně se spíš stává, že se rovnou
vyrenderuje jedna dlaždice, a ostatní dostanu starší - takže mi najednou
nesedí mapa, protože cesty etc. jakoby končí hranou dlaždice.

TL;DR: tak by to *mělo* vypadat, ale ne vždy se to povede; někdy ten
update trvá.

Honza "Piškvor" Martinec


Cus, existujou na to "finty", kterymi se to da popohnat ...

1) ctrl+shift + R (Firefox a spol) ... vyzada si komplet vse, bez ohledu 
na cache, cimz se projevi zajem o danou oblast ... a kdyz se to parkrat 
zopakuje, vetsinou to zabere.


2) pokud by nejaka dlazdice vylozene trvala, da se tomu pomoct jeste 
tim, ze se rucne oznaci za dirty ... Nejak takto


http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/5/16/10.png/dirty

Pripadne lze zjistit jeji stav

http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/5/16/10.png/status

3) zavisi to (pomerne hodne) na mnoztvi zmen per m^2. Male zmeny se 
renederuji dlouho, velke jsou prakticky hned.


Ovsem ve vsech pripadech plati, ze zkraka vykon HW je omezeny, a tudiz 
specielne pokud nekdo provede nejaky vetsi import, muze byt zpozdeni 
klidne v hodinach.





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Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

2016-08-15 Per discussione Colin Smale

Hi Will, 

Fully agree with you. I also tried to contribute to that changeset
discussion. If you hadn't reverted that admin level change, I would
have... 

Some of his ideas are on his diary pages [1] and my admin boundary page
[2]. 

Colin 

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alexkemp/diary 

[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Csmale/ukboundaries 

On 2016-08-15 10:41, Will Phillips wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This user is currently adding admin_level=10 admin boundaries, which we use 
> for civil parishes (or communities), to areas where no such administrative 
> unit exists. To me this seems problematic because my understanding is that 
> these are legal entities which either exist or they don't. Additionally, it 
> makes OSM boundary data harder to use. If I run a query to find which 
> boundaries a node is within, I'd only expect real admin boundary areas to be 
> returned. The user is adding designation tags (designation=non-civil_parish) 
> to indicate they aren't real, but this is undocumented and data users 
> shouldn't have to check a secondary tag to find out whether a relation is a 
> real civil parish or not.
> 
> The aim seems to be to improve the results returned by Nominatim and other 
> geocoders, but surely this is the wrong way to go about it.
> 
> Here is an example of one of these non-civil parish relations covering the 
> whole of the City of Nottingham, where no such administrative unit has ever 
> existed: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6448042
> 
> I have raised this issue with the user directly but the tone has turned 
> unpleasant and to me feels quite threatening.  I accept my initial comment 
> suggesting that one of these relations should be deleted could have been 
> worded much more tactfully, but I don't feel in justifies his aggressive 
> responses since. I was frustrated at finding one of the these non-existent 
> boundaries covering my local area with an inaccurate name.
> 
> Will
> 
> On 15/08/2016 08:39, Colin Smale wrote: 
> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> I noticed a number of new admin boundaries have been tagged with 
>> ref:hectares=* with the numeric value giving the area of the entity in 
>> hectares. This feels to me like an inappropriate use of "ref" and also 
>> redundant as the area can be calculated simply from the geometry anyway. 
>> When I queried this with the mapper (user alexkemp) via a changeset 
>> discussion [1] I got the following response: 
>> 
>> "This is an automated response: sorry, but I'm too busy mapping too be able 
>> to spare the time to respond to you. Thank you for your interest in my 
>> mapping. -Alex Kemp" 
>> 
>> Any thoughts about the tagging? 
>> 
>> Any thoughts about engaging the user? There is also a discussion on another 
>> one of his changesets where he unilaterally diverged from the established 
>> tagging [2]. 
>> 
>> Colin 
>> 
>> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41449409 
>> 
>> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41371134 
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Re: [OSM-talk] successful test of aerial photography from a folding canoe



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> Il giorno 15 ago 2016, alle ore 10:38, Oleksiy Muzalyev 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> This Ally Expedition 18 feet canoe is built both for flat water and rivers. 
> It is produced in Norway. This robust craft may carry 2 - 3 persons plus a 
> lot of cargo. As a result of this test I know now for sure that it is 
> possible to conduct an aerial filming expedition along a shore, about 20 km 
> per day, taking off from a ultralight boat and landing on boat.


maybe this kickstarter project I recently stumbled upon is also of interest in 
this context: 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/onakcanoes/onak-the-origami-foldable-canoe


cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Police Stations

2016-08-15 Per discussione Donie Kelly

Are we entitled to any better data format apart from pdf which lists the zones, 
new and old, would be handy for processing. Kinda hard to extract the stuff 
from pdf, can’t even copy and paste properly from it.

KML is low quality with a low number of points. I’ve written code to process 
this data to take the start and end points and get Google to route between the 
two points. It’s fills in the data points but I guess this is no use for 
importing to OSM? I suspect these will have to be added manually.

Has anybody got a better mechanism for importing the kml?

But getting them to write to you and commit to giving this is excellent. So 
many new zones appearing. I’ll make the app if the data comes :)

Donie

> On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:36, Rory McCann  wrote:
> 
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> On 13/08/16 23:02, Donie Kelly wrote:
>> When did we get the GoSafe zones? Are they up to date. What's the
>> tag called?
> 
> Dan got permission here:
> 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2016-June/001584.html
> 
> I don't think it's actually been imported yet...
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Re: [Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

2016-08-15 Per discussione Will Phillips


Hi,

This user is currently adding admin_level=10 admin boundaries, which we 
use for civil parishes (or communities), to areas where no such 
administrative unit exists. To me this seems problematic because my 
understanding is that these are legal entities which either exist or 
they don't. Additionally, it makes OSM boundary data harder to use. If I 
run a query to find which boundaries a node is within, I'd only expect 
real admin boundary areas to be returned. The user is adding designation 
tags (designation=non-civil_parish) to indicate they aren't real, but 
this is undocumented and data users shouldn't have to check a secondary 
tag to find out whether a relation is a real civil parish or not.


The aim seems to be to improve the results returned by Nominatim and 
other geocoders, but surely this is the wrong way to go about it.


Here is an example of one of these non-civil parish relations covering 
the whole of the City of Nottingham, where no such administrative unit 
has ever existed: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6448042


I have raised this issue with the user directly but the tone has turned 
unpleasant and to me feels quite threatening.  I accept my initial 
comment suggesting that one of these relations should be deleted could 
have been worded much more tactfully, but I don't feel in justifies his 
aggressive responses since. I was frustrated at finding one of the these 
non-existent boundaries covering my local area with an inaccurate name.


Will

On 15/08/2016 08:39, Colin Smale wrote:


Hi,

I noticed a number of new admin boundaries have been tagged with 
ref:hectares=* with the numeric value giving the area of the entity in 
hectares. This feels to me like an inappropriate use of "ref" and also 
redundant as the area can be calculated simply from the geometry 
anyway. When I queried this with the mapper (user alexkemp) via a 
changeset discussion [1] I got the following response:


"This is an automated response: sorry, but I'm too busy mapping too be 
able to spare the time to respond to you. Thank you for your interest 
in my mapping. -Alex Kemp"


Any thoughts about the tagging?

Any thoughts about engaging the user? There is also a discussion on 
another one of his changesets where he unilaterally diverged from the 
established tagging [2].


Colin

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41449409

[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41371134



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Re: [OSM-talk] successful test of aerial photography from a folding canoe

2016-08-15 Per discussione Oleksiy Muzalyev


On 15/08/16 09:32, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


sent from a phone


Il giorno 14 ago 2016, alle ore 18:38, Oleksiy Muzalyev 
 ha scritto:

I made a short (two minutes) video about the test: https://youtu.be/lpRloVZ5w5U


impressive clip, very nice quality and cool flyover takes

cheers,
Martin


Dear Martin,


Thank you!


Sometimes it is difficult to find a good place for takeoff and landing 
of a RPAS (UAV) on the ground, because there are tall trees and tall 
buildings, which could shield radio control signal, power-lines, and 
cell phone towers, which may influence electronics, pedestrians, cars, etc.



This Ally Expedition 18 feet canoe is built both for flat water and 
rivers. It is produced in Norway. This robust craft may carry 2 - 3 
persons plus a lot of cargo. As a result of this test I know now for 
sure that it is possible to conduct an aerial filming expedition along a 
shore, about 20 km per day, taking off from a ultralight boat and 
landing on boat.



Please, note that I train sport flying regularly, - Release & Catch By 
Hand technique shall not be performed by a novice pilot. In any case, 
impact resistant safety glasses must be always worn during Release & 
Catch takeoff and landing. Certainly, there must also be Buoyancy Aid 
Vests in a boat for each crew-person.



With best regards,

Oleksiy


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Police Stations

2016-08-15 Per discussione Rory McCann

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On 13/08/16 23:02, Donie Kelly wrote:
> When did we get the GoSafe zones? Are they up to date. What's the
> tag called?

Dan got permission here:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2016-June/001584.html

I don't think it's actually been imported yet...
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[OSM-talk-be] dodentocht app

2016-08-15 Per discussione Bart Vanherck

I just want to mention here that the organisation of Dodentocht used this
year openstreetmap data for tracking purposes.

https://webapp.dodentocht.be

mvg,

Bart
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Re: [Talk-it] [english 100%] Re: Edit war Sardegna

2016-08-15 Per discussione Francesco Pelullo

Il 15 ago 2016 09:36, "Federico Cortese"  ha scritto:
>
> L'unico modo per arrivare ad una conclusione secondo me è una
> votazione online (anche tramite doodle o altro), con le tre opzioni:
> nome sardo/nome italiano, nome italiano/nome sardo solo nome italiano.
>
>

Scusa Federico ma questa volta non sono d'accordo, una votazione sarebbe
utile se ci fosse un caso dubbio, nella fattispecie a me sembra chiarissimo
che la situazione sarda sia diversa (in ogni senso) da quella altoatesina o
valdostana.

Agli amici sardi propongo di realizzare un rendering personalizzato e
pubblicare una mappa dei nomi sardi, scegliendo di far apparire il tag
name:xx che si preferisce, come già fatto dai friulani.

My 2 cents.

Buon ferragosto a tutti.

Ciao
/niubii/
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> Il giorno 15 ago 2016, alle ore 09:36, Federico Cortese 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> secondo me è una
> votazione online (anche tramite doodle o altro), con le tre opzioni:
> nome sardo/nome italiano, nome italiano/nome sardo solo nome italiano.


e chi può votare, tutta la comunità globale, solo quella nell'unione europea, 
nell'Italia, in Sardegna, nel luogo in questione?

Aggiungerei per forma anche l'ipotesi solo nome sardo. Comunque, dalla mappa 
sembra che al nord il corso dovrebbe essere l'altra lingua.

ciao,
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[Talk-GB] ref:hectares on admin boundary, and non-responsive mapper

2016-08-15 Per discussione Colin Smale

Hi, 

I noticed a number of new admin boundaries have been tagged with
ref:hectares=* with the numeric value giving the area of the entity in
hectares. This feels to me like an inappropriate use of "ref" and also
redundant as the area can be calculated simply from the geometry anyway.
When I queried this with the mapper (user alexkemp) via a changeset
discussion [1] I got the following response: 

"This is an automated response: sorry, but I'm too busy mapping too be
able to spare the time to respond to you. Thank you for your interest in
my mapping. -Alex Kemp" 

Any thoughts about the tagging? 

Any thoughts about engaging the user? There is also a discussion on
another one of his changesets where he unilaterally diverged from the
established tagging [2]. 

Colin 

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41449409 

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Re: [Talk-it] [english 100%] Re: Edit war Sardegna

2016-08-15 9:19 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
> non ci troviamo, credo anch'io che sia inutile continuare questa
> discussione, stai continuando a parlare di "comuni" che sono entità
> amministrative, quando il discorso è sui "place", e continui a parlare di
> leggi e tutele quando dovresti vedere com'è la situazione reale nel luogo.
>

E' inutile senz'altro, ognuno rimane della sua posizione ed è pesante
continuare a seguire la discussione.
L'unico modo per arrivare ad una conclusione secondo me è una
votazione online (anche tramite doodle o altro), con le tre opzioni:
nome sardo/nome italiano, nome italiano/nome sardo solo nome italiano.

Ciao
Federico

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Re: [OSM-talk] successful test of aerial photography from a folding canoe



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> Il giorno 14 ago 2016, alle ore 18:38, Oleksiy Muzalyev 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> I made a short (two minutes) video about the test: 
> https://youtu.be/lpRloVZ5w5U


impressive clip, very nice quality and cool flyover takes

cheers,
Martin 
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