Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] The Two Towers (at Bentley)

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-gb-westmidlands]

See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Aadvertising
Maybe add a new value of "tower" or use the existing "column".

Ian


On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 14:46, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> How should we tag these two towers, that seem to exist primarily or
> only for advertising purposes, at Boundary Mill, Bentley, Walsall?
>
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/367659835
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Advertising_pillar,_Boundary_Mill,_Walsall_-_2021-11-12_-_Andy_Mabbett_-_01.jpg
>
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/367659836
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Advertising_pillar,_Boundary_Mill,_Walsall_-_2021-11-12_-_Andy_Mabbett_-_02.jpg
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-gb-westmidlands]

I plan to be there.

Ian


On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 14:17, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Thursday March 5th 730 The Bull. Come with ideas for travelling meetings
> in the summer
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB]

As a local, I think it should be tagged as commercial. There is some event
there most weeks. It's a very commercial organisation.



On Mon, 24 Feb 2020, 09:58 Mark Goodge,  wrote:

> Morning all,
>
> Someone has commented on a change I made to the Three Counties
> showground last year when I changed the tagging to landuse=grass rather
> than landuse=commercial. Their suggestion is that it really ought to be
> landuse=recreation_ground, with a secondary tag of surface=grass.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74103491#map=16/52.0834/-2.3235
>
> I've responded to that comment on the changeset, but I thought it would
> be worth throwing out here as well.
>
> I do think that tagging showgrounds as landuse=commercial is generally
> incorrect; it doesn't match the description of 'commercial' in the wiki
> and doesn't reflect the typical uses of showgrounds both when a show is
> on and when one isn't.
>
> The reason I tagged the Three Counties showground as grass is because,
> most of the year, that's precisely what it is - an open area of
> grassland. Unless there is an event on (which only happens for a
> minority of days in a year) it is just an open space.
>
> Looking at a few other showgrounds across the country, we don't seem to
> have any consistency.
>
> The East of England Showground is tagged as landuse=recreation_ground:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.5456/-0.3170
>
> The Suffolk Showground is tagged as a park:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.0330/1.2277
>
> So is the Staffordshire County Showgound:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.8255/-2.0643
>
> The former Royal Showground at Stoneleigh is tagged as commercial, but
> in that case that's probably now correct as it's no longer used as a
> showground and is gradually being redeveloped as a business park:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3435/-1.5220
>
> The Great Yorkshire Showground isn't tagged as an area at all, just a
> network of roads and individual features:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/53.9830/-1.5065
>
> Similarly with the Norfolk Showground
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.6490/1.1793
>
> And the Bath and West Showground:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.1552/-2.5265
>
> So, what do people think? Personally, I think that showgrounds ought to
> be tagged as an area, because they do, typically, have clear boundaries
> and are distinct from their surrounding context. But I'm less sure what
> the area should be tagged as. I think commercial is usually wrong, for
> the reasons I've already given, but I can see an argument for either
> grass, recreation_ground or even park.
>
> Thoughts, anyone?
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa Mercia this Thursday

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-gb-westmidlands]

I hope to be there.

Ian


On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 18:14, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Good for me - I'll be there
>
> On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 13:12, Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> By my calendar it is the next meetup this coming Thursday. I am assuming
>> central Birmingham, likely at The Bull...?
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Showgrounds (tagging)

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB]

For the  Three Counties Showground in Malvern
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35432806 is tagged with
landuse=commercial. Any given the number of events there most of which are
commercial. Commercial would be correct. That how the NEC is mapped
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/243830271.

Ian


On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 20:55, SK53  wrote:

> I just came across  an
> agricultural showground tagged as leisure=park and realised I didn't know
> what a sensible way to retag it would be. Although there are a limited
> number in the UK (perhaps 100 or so) they do tend to be quite prominent and
> when major events take place at them (e.g., Scout Jamborees, National
> Eisteddfod) good tagging can be useful. I recall Richard Bullock mapping
> the Royal Cheshire quite a few years ago as it helped parents pick up their
> children after the scout Jamboree.
>
> Various (inconsistent) approaches have been used:
>
> * Newark  & Norfolk
>  mapped as tourism=attraction
> * Rutland  as
> leisure=recreation_ground (there are certainly sports pitches here out of
> events)
> * Royal Cheshire  as
> amenity=showground with landuse=grass.
>
> It strikes me that how grounds are a special type of events venue and
> perhaps rather than using amenity=showground it may be better to use
> amenity=events_venue with a subtag events_venue=showground. leisure &
> tourism tags may still be applicable, and landuse=grass can still be (mis-)
> used to show the area (see Newark & Royal Cheshire). Alternatives might be
> amenity=exhibition_centre, but this seems more for places like the NEC. The
> current wiki description circumscribes events venues fairly closely, so
> this would be an extension in meaning.
>
> I don't think anything in the UK (or Europe) is quite on the scale of the 
> Minnesota
> State Fair  which certainly
> merits tourism=attraction.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry
>
> Any thoughts,
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Collaboration with shire tansport authorities

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-gb-westmidlands]

I am OK for  Worcestershire

Ian


On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 11:46, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Mainly for west mids mappers but cross-posted to talkgb for a wider
> audience.
>
> For some time I've collaborated with TfWM who make extensive use of
> OpenStreetMap. Together we've refreshed the entire NapTAN dataset for the
> West Midlands and we're engaged on an ongoing basis in solving data quality
> issues where the OSM data throws up errors with their bus routeing software.
> Word spreads and at a regional meeting of  shire transport authorities
> there was a request for contact with local OSM volunteers in the following
> areas:
>
> Herefordshire, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Stoke, Telford, Warwickshire,
> Worcestershire
>
> If anyone wants to volunteer please get in touch with me and I can put you
> in touch. It will mainly involve dealing with errors they spot such as
> missing/wrong roadnames, missing/wrong roads. With TfWM there's been an
> average of one of these week, sometimes bunched together followed by weeks
> with nothing - so not a heavy workload and worth the effort to improve the
> data.
>
> If my experience is anything to go by, there'll be an initial peak and
> then they'll realise, with a little prompting, it's easier and quicker to
> fix the errors themselves. But it's good to have an initial period of
> handholding as  I think they are respectful  of causing any damage
>
> Regards
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Re: [Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB]

For now, for the commons around Malvern I will add landuse,  In most cases
landuse=meadow.

Ian


On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 at 12:54, Edward Catmur  wrote:

> They're going to be retagged anyway to get them to render in the main map,
> so I doubt that's a solution.
>
> Any conclusion on how to tag them now?
>
> Perhaps leisure=park, park=common?
>
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, 12:51 SK53,  wrote:
>
>> Yup, it's gone. I think the standard thing is use Andy's (SomeoneElse)
>> map which is likely to retain features of value & relevance to British &
>> Irish map users.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 at 12:35, Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB <
>> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>> In the last day or two the standard renderer as stop rendering  common
>>> land (leisure=common) see https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311973831
>>>
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[Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB]

In the last day or two the standard renderer as stop rendering  common land
(leisure=common) see https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311973831

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-gb-westmidlands]

I should be there

Ian



On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 19:42, Br

Ian
Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> This Thursday 7 March is our scheduled date for our monthly meeting. I've
> checked that the Bull has re-opened so see you there at about 730
>
> Regards
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] January meeting

[Ian Caldwell]

The bull is closed

Ian

On Wed, 2 Jan 2019, 11:29 Rob Nickerson  See you all there :-) I will bring the new hi Vis vest for you to see.
>
> Rob
>
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2019, 11:09 Brian Prangle 
>> Me too!
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:03 PM Rob Nickerson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> January 3rd is the first Thursday of the month so OSM meetup time.
>>> Anyone able to make it given proximity to the holiday?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] October Meeting

[Ian Caldwell]

I hope to be there.

Ian


On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 21:44, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Great. See you there (back at our usual: The Bull, Price Street).
>
> *Rob*
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 20:36, Eike Ritter  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> > I can make it. We're back in Birmingham for Winter. As I will need to
>> > travel in, I will only do so if others are confirmed as attending. Hope
>> > to see a few of you there.
>> >
>>
>> I will be there.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Eike
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[Talk-GB] Closed Footpaths

[Ian Caldwell]

Some footpaths, some of which are rights of way, have been closed as part
of building a new residential estate
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/339576698.  The closure notice says they
will be closed until March 2019 and I suspect they will have new routes
when/if they are reopened.

How should this be tagged or should I just delete them? I do not think they
exist on the ground anymore.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tagging/ naming a railway junction

[Ian Caldwell]

Hi Andy,

looking at http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk each point as a separate
name: Castle Bromwich Jn, Water Orton West Jn and Park Lane Jn West Mids

see http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/CBOMJN,
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/WTRORWJ and
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/XIA

Note  Data sourced from Network Rail, TfL & other sources
.

Ian



On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 at 21:18, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> I've been looking at the railway junction east of Castle Vale, at:
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.5184=-1.7701#map=14/52.5184/-1.7701
>
> AFAICT, we have not given it a name or a reference; it must have one
> or the other, if not both.
>
> But what would we tag? A point in the middle? A relation? One (or
> each) of the three points of the tr
>
> Ian
> gular junction?
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

[Ian Caldwell]

Given the forecast, I will not be there tonight.

Ian

On 21 Feb 2018 9:32 a.m., "Ian Caldwell" <ian1caldwell+...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> I am hoping  to make it.
>
> Ian
>
> On 20 February 2018 at 18:00, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>> I'm looking free at the moment. Anyone else able to make it?
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On 20 Feb 2018 1:37 p.m., "Brian Prangle" <br...@mappa-mercia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I shan't be at this meeting - I'll be in Scotland
>>>
>>> Rgds
>>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

[Ian Caldwell]

It was the only house between two junctions on a road. It was in the
country.


Ian

On 29 December 2017 at 13:08, Mark Goodge <m...@good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> On 29/12/2017 11:41, Ian Caldwell wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29 December 2017 at 10:47, Mark Goodge <m...@good-stuff.co.uk > m...@good-stuff.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> since a filling station isn't going to be large enough to have a
>> single-user postcode
>>
>>
>> Not necessarily I used to own a three bedroom house that had its own
>> postcode.
>>
>
> That sounds a little implausible. Are you sure it wasn't just the only
> *house* within that postcode? Or was it, possibly, the only remaining
> property with that postcode after others have been reassigned (or
> demolished)?
>
> (It's relatively easy to check, if you give us the postcode, even if it's
> now a defunct one).
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

[Ian Caldwell]

On 29 December 2017 at 10:47, Mark Goodge  wrote:

> since a filling station isn't going to be large enough to have a
> single-user postcode
>
>
Not necessarily I used to own a three bedroom house that had its own
postcode.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Website Data

[Ian Caldwell]

On 19 December 2017 at 15:20, Tom Hughes  wrote:

>
>
> The fundamental problem of imports that conflate with existing data is
> that you have way of knowing whether or not you are actually improving
> anything - you are making an assumption that an "official" source will be
> up to date and accurate but in the real world they are often anything but.
>
>
I don't think anybody is suggesting taking imports with out some form of
checking/validation first.  Tools that validate imports are a good idea.

The question should be "does it make the OSM database better".
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[Talk-GB] Rendering Stiles

[Ian Caldwell]

I am having a conversation with a new mapper, he was adding stiles by using
name="stile".

The reason he is interested in stiles is as he says:  "I like to walk with
my dog but find that many of the stiles are not dog friendly and, being
almost eighty, I  find it difficult to lift my dog bodily over the stile."

One of the reasons I think he was adding  name="stile". is that stiles are
not rendered on the standard map. Is there are web based map that does
render stiles? I cannot find one.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a pokemon go edit?

[Ian Caldwell]

I have reverted the change set


Ian

On 6 March 2017 at 20:33, Ian Caldwell <ian1caldwell+...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> This changeset look wrong.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46565840
>
> I have contacted the contributor but no reply in 24 hours.
>
> Is it the kind that pokemon go players do?
>
> Should I reverse it without a ground survey?
>
> Ian
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[Talk-GB] Is this a pokemon go edit?

[Ian Caldwell]

This changeset look wrong.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46565840

I have contacted the contributor but no reply in 24 hours.

Is it the kind that pokemon go players do?

Should I reverse it without a ground survey?

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March meeting

[Ian Caldwell]

I am also planning to attend both




Ian
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Re: [Talk-GB] Is there a problem with the standard tile rendering

[Ian Caldwell]

Just another experiment on an edit I did yesterday (and corrected today) at
level 18.

Did a share-download and the download was with the edits. A cache refresh
(Ctrl refresh in Chrome) still showed the old tiles

did some cache refreshes  and after about 20 minutes one of the two tiles
had updated.

As I was write this email did another cache refresh and it went back to the
old tiles!

Something funny is happening with the tile caching.

Just did another refresh and the other tile is new but the one that was new
is still old!

A refresh using OruxMaps should both old.

The location of this experiment is
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.17178/-2.29765.


Ian

On 1 March 2017 at 10:50, Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Forcing it to the top of the stack works, but isn't really practical.
>
> There is definitely a longer delay than previous. Rendering times appear
> to vary wildly (for a while It used to refresh within 30 minutes!).
> What's quite strange is my recent edits start to update with alternate
> tiles in a chequerboard pattern, but then mysteriously reset & don't
> refresh for a day or so.
>
>  DaveF
>
>
> On 01/03/2017 10:11, Ed Loach wrote:
>
> I /dirty ‘d a couple of tiles (at z19 and z18) and they seem to have
> rendered OK.
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> *From:* Ian Caldwell [mailto:ian1caldwell+...@googlemail.com
> <ian1caldwell+...@googlemail.com>]
> *Sent:* 01 March 2017 09:22
> *To:* Talk GB <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Is there a problem with the standard tile rendering
>
>
>
> Two days ago I add some buildings at https://www.openstreetmap.
> org/#map=19/52.09396/-2.33114 and they have yet to appear on the standard
> tiles. They are on the Humanitarian tiles.
>
>
>
> I thought it might be a caching problem but I have tried it on different
> browsers, application, machines and networks.
>
>
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[Talk-GB] Is there a problem with the standard tile rendering

[Ian Caldwell]

Two days ago I add some buildings at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.09396/-2.33114 and they have yet
to appear on the standard tiles. They are on the Humanitarian tiles.

I thought it might be a caching problem but I have tried it on different
browsers, application, machines and networks.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Feb meeting

[Ian Caldwell]

I plan to be there


Ian

On 30 January 2017 at 14:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Our regular meeting is this week Thurs 2nd Feb at 7ish at the Bull Price St
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] January meeting

[Ian Caldwell]

On 2 January 2017 at 12:26, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> It's this Thursday Jan 5th, usual time and place


Plan to be there


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Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

[Ian Caldwell]

One I noticed was the local country market (country-markets.co.uk), the
FHRs address was, I assume, the home of the ore fhrs:id. ganise and was not
where the market takes place. It takes place in a local hall. I was
planning not to map the fhrs:id.


Ian

On 19 November 2016 at 16:48, Andrew Hain 
wrote:

> Some FHRS entries refer to people’s names, or to business names, with the
> address of a private house. These may be people who cook from home or
> itinerantly. Is it however appropriate for OSM to map these addresses as
> anything more than houses, for example by adding fhrs:id or the name in the
> FHRS data set?
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] River Severn riverbank not redering

[Ian Caldwell]

On 7 October 2016 at 11:03, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> because it's the only section with a name?


The next section to the north also has a name and that is rendered.


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[Talk-GB] River Severn riverbank not redering

[Ian Caldwell]

Just noticed that https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/72551464 is not being
rendered on the  standard map. It has not been edited for two years and the
adjoining riverbanks are being rendered. Anybody know why?

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] October meeting on Wednesday

[Ian Caldwell]

I hope to be there.

Ian

On 2 Oct 2016 3:37 p.m., "Rob Nickerson"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Don't forget that we are meeting on Wednesday back in Birmingham for the
> winter. Who's joining me?
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Next_meeting
>
> Best,
> *Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] Does "Great Britain" need a relation with "place=island" on it?

[Ian Caldwell]

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain


Ian

On 18 August 2016 at 14:32, Colin Smale  wrote:

> I am not sure the GB main island is actually called Great Britain. GB is a
> "country," not an island. Is the Isle of Wight not included?
>
>
> As to creating holes for lakes, that is weird. If I am on a boat on
> Windermere, am I suddenly no longer on the big island and no longer within
> GB?
>
> It is undoubtedly an island, but whether it is an island with an
> independent name/identity, and whether that name/identity is "Great
> Britain", I don't think the arguments are convincing.
>
> I wonder if there is a place=island for Australia? Does that include
> Tasmania?
>
> --colin
>
> On 2016-08-18 14:51, Andy Townsend wrote:
>
> This was prompted by a comment directed at me on
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/37713755 , after I'd mentioned a
> problem raised on the help site that might be related
> https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/49058/rendering-
> of-lakes-on-garmin-devices .
>
> Given that it seems impossible to manage effectively* I wouldn't object to
> it being deleted (but don't have a particularly strong view either way).
> If it's not deleted, does someone need to add all GB lakes and rivers as
> inners?
>
> What does everyone else think?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
> * including with JOSM, before all you fanboys pipe up :) - a duplicate
> appeared as a result of some "normal editing" on the LLyn in
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41130893 .  I'm sure that Dudley
> will delete the duplicate when he gets a chance; it's the original I'm
> asking about.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] wrong tag "tunnel_name""bridge_name"

[Ian Caldwell]

They come from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_waterways.


Ian

On 9 August 2016 at 18:25,  wrote:

> Hello OSM UK Community,
>
> I found a some tunnel_name  and
> bridge_name  in United Kingdom and I
> think we should use correct "tunnel:name" and "bridge:name".
> I can do this in a single edit, but only if this is OK for the local
> mapper.
>
> regards from South Tyrol
>
> luschi
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] August meetup Pershore Aug 6th

[Ian Caldwell]

I hope to be cycling to Pershore via Upton so will have a look at Eckington
and the Combertons.

Ian.


Ian

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> Hi everyone
>
> Looks like now I CAN make it. Pub venue: can I suggest the Pickled Plum
> Pershore High St for 1pm? (It looks reasonable from a web search). I shall
> tackle the hamlet of Drakes Broughton - remember we're after anything in
> WR10
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM with Wikidata: now covers UK and Ireland

[Ian Caldwell]

This analysis shows some errors in both wikidata/wikipedia and OSM, we
should try and fix some of them.

On error in particular is difference in location, in Worcestershire  they
are 36 cases were the distance is 1 km or more. It quite a lot of cases
this is an error in wikidata/wikipedia. To fix in wikidata/wikipedia is
there one place to edit it so that it propagates to wikidata and all the
different language wikipedias?


Ian

On 10 March 2016 at 17:57, Edward Betts  wrote:

> I've extended my search for matches between OSM and Wikidata again. It now
> covers all of the UK and Ireland.
>
> I used map data from
> http://download.geofabrik.de/europe/british-isles.html
>
> The results are grouped by region or county as well as by category.
>
> http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/gb-ie/
>
> I'm going to figure out how to upload these matches to OSM. I've
> registered an
> account with the username Wikidata to use for the uploads.
>
> There will be one changeset per county + category for any category with 10
> or
> more matches in that county. Categories with less than 10 matches in the
> county will be combined into a single changeset.
>
> OSM objects with an existing wikidata tag won't be changed.
> --
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Re: [Talk-GB] MapRoulette challenge for schools

[Ian Caldwell]

Is there a quick way to get from the maproulette to the EduBase?


Ian

On 1 March 2016 at 12:36, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We have a maproulette challenge for UK schools!! Thanks go to Martijn for
> setting this up.
>
> We’re live:
> http://maproulette.org/#t=ukschools/6d5899d6-facc-4460-b152-6e0ac68188bb
>
> It focuses on the postcode areas that are least mapped including Wales and
> NI.
>
> Notes:
> * Pan around the map to find the school (which may not be exactly where
> the point shows).
> * ysgol is welsh for school. You may want to use language specific name
> tags.
>
> Happy mapping,
> Rob
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] MapRoulette challenge for schools

[Ian Caldwell]

Is there a quick way to get from the maproulette to the EduBase?


Ian

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> Hi all,
>
> We have a maproulette challenge for UK schools!! Thanks go to Martijn for
> setting this up.
>
> We’re live:
> http://maproulette.org/#t=ukschools/6d5899d6-facc-4460-b152-6e0ac68188bb
>
> It focuses on the postcode areas that are least mapped including Wales and
> NI.
>
> Notes:
> * Pan around the map to find the school (which may not be exactly where
> the point shows).
> * ysgol is welsh for school. You may want to use language specific name
> tags.
>
> Happy mapping,
> Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

[Ian Caldwell]

On 11 February 2016 at 21:32, Michael Booth  wrote:

> So my question is, how are we defining villages, towns and cities? Only by
> population, or do we also take into account their generally accepted status
> (whilst trying to be consistent across the country)?


In England towns will normally have a town council. Villages
will normally have a parish council. Only really a name difference see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_council#England_and_Wales .


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Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Search but cannot find

[Ian Caldwell]

On 19 March 2015 at 15:54, Pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote:

 If map renderers don't want to use C and U numbered roads, that is up to
 them to ignore and not for mappers to place in a different field in the
 database.


But that means that renderers would have to analyse the strings and that
analysis will be country and possible region dependant. Much better to
store in a simple way in the database if the road numbers are normally
used. That information can be put in by the mapper rather than being
guessed by the renderer. This will allow for local variation.  So if one
council does use C numbers on a road sign  that can be recorded.



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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Social this Thursday

[Ian Caldwell]

I hope to be there.

Ian
On 3 Feb 2015 18:54, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll be there too. Hope to see a few more folks there as well :-)

 Rob

 On 3 February 2015 at 16:12, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
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 I will be there this Thursday (hopefully not on my own).

 -- Matthijs

 On 3 February 2015 at 09:24, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi folks, its first Thursday of the month this week. Unfortunately I
 have a
  prior engagement but hope you all have a good meet up. At the Bull??
 
  Cheers
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] January Meeting

[Ian Caldwell]

I hope to be there.


Ian

On 7 January 2015 at 21:08, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Should be there. See you tomorrow



 Cheers

 Andy



 *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org]
 *Sent:* 06 January 2015 19:08
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 *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] January Meeting



 Despite meeting with the Notts/Derby crowd on Sat we're still on for
 aregualr meeting at the Bull Price Street this Thursday

 Happy New Year

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Re: [Talk-GB] RFC-3 Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

[Ian Caldwell]

You are not checking that the entities are shops. In my area the  Overpass
Turbo finds the following node http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/502411262
a bus stop, from a NaPTAN import.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Google Maps: the city of Avon

[Ian Caldwell]

It's in OSM http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/413600880 as a hamlet.


Ian

On 7 December 2014 at 12:39, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com
 wrote:

 On 07/12/2014 12:17, Nick Whitelegg wrote:

 Do Google know something we don't?



 It also appears on Yahoo maps and Apple maps, in both cases as small place
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Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: UK Shop Names

[Ian Caldwell]

You say we manually exclude bus stops (highway=bus_stop)  I would
have thought you should only be changing where there is a shop tag.  If not
your Cotswold - Cotswold Outdoor would change
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146053979.


Ian

On 24 October 2014 20:39, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
wrote:

 On 24 October 2014 14:44, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
 wrote:
  I am proposing to unify the names of chain shops within the UK. For
  details, please see
 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Math1985/UK_Shop_Names
 .

 Thank you for all comments so far. Based on the comments, I made the
 following changes:

 - I removed most changes to the co-operative stores, as their
 inconsistent signs means that they require a local visit.
 - Majestic (Wine (Warehouse)) is a difficult case because they're very
 inconsistent in the way they use their brand. I decided to go with
 Majestic Wine Warehouse, which is the current most popular name.
 - I dropped the Nisa change.
 - Marks  Spencer Simply Food is now changed to MS Simply Food,
 instead of the other way around.

 People mentioned the Wilkinsons to Wilko change, but please note that
 I never proposed to automatically change this. As not all shops have
 been changed, we cannot handle this in an automated way.

 The brand tag, as well as moving location information into a different
 tag, would be worth looking at to, but I consider it out of scope of
 the current changes.

 Please let me know if there are more changes that need to be made to
 the proposed list.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

[Ian Caldwell]

On 5 October 2014 12:11, David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote:

 Could I ask please the logic behind retaining references to a stop that
 does not exist?


In rural area there are places that buses stop but no physical stop. And in
Malvern there are examples of where this only a physical stop on one side
of the road (it says both directions) but NaPTAN has two stops.



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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mapping Wikipedia artciles

[Ian Caldwell]

There is a plugin for JOSM that does Wikipedia.

Just been using it around Malvern, There is quite a lot of work to do, plus
it shows a few errors in Wikipedia.

Ian Caldwell.


Ian


On 15 August 2014 21:47, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:

 On 15 August 2014 21:11, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
  I would like to propose a project for our group: that we make the West
  Midlands the first county with all of its geotagged Wikipedia
  articles, and their equivalent Wikidata entries, added to OSM.

 I think that's a great idea. Having wikipedia articles linked is very
 useful, in particular on mobile when touring around. And I think
 wikidata has the potential to become very important in the future too.

 wikipedia en:St Paul's Church, Birmingham

 Do we add the equals sign after wikipedia, or do we use wikipedia:en?

  You can see local, geotagged Wikipedia articles on this map:
 
 
 https://tools.wmflabs.org/wiwosm/osm-on-ol/kml-on-ol.php?la=enuselang=enlon=-1.865lat=52.450rang=50map=1

 I don't understand that map very well. Is there a legend? Is there a
 way to see what has been done already? Especially the latter is very
 important.

 How do we tag things that only appear on a list, such as 'Grade I
 listed buildings in the West Midlands'?

  What do you think? Any questions? Will you help?

 Like I said, I think it's a great idea. I added tags for a couple of
 buildings in the city centre already, and plan to help adding some
 more.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday's meeting

[Ian Caldwell]

I plan to be there from 7.

Ian
On 1 Apr 2014 15:29, Brian Prangle br...@mappa-mercia.org wrote:

 Hi everyone

 Don't forget our usual monthly meeting this Thursday at the Bull Price
 Street from about 7pm onwards. For anyone new contemplating coming we do
 tend to drift in and few make it for precisely 7pm

 This month we need to decide which towns/villages we'll visit for monthly
 meetings through the summer and also what local celebration we're going to
 have to mark OSM's 10th birthday on Aug 9th

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March meetings

[Ian Caldwell]

I will map North of the railway and west of the Canal, There is a lot of
POI to be done at the A38 going north from Forgate street


Ian


On 10 March 2014 20:52, Brian Prangle br...@mappa-mercia.org wrote:

 I'll map the area South of the Cathedral


 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Matthijs Melissen 
 i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:

 On 4 March 2014 17:39, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
  We have of course also the planned day in Worcester on Sat 15th.

 Let's start with claiming parts of the map for our Worcester mapping
 party.

 I plan to survey the Warndom industrial estate, and in particular the
 names of the companies on the estate. Moreover, I plan to survey the
 shopping strips in the quarters east of the railway (Blackpole,
 Lyppard Grange, The Ronkswood and Nunnery Wood).

 If anyone wants suggestions, the area around Saint John's could use
 some attention. There are a lot of unmapped shops and other POI over
 there. Of course, in the city centre, there is a lot to map as well.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March meetings

[Ian Caldwell]

Cannot make Thursday. As a venue in Worcester one suggestion is The Crown (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.19306mlon=-2.22236#map=17/52.19306/-2.22236)
which is a Weatherspoons.


Ian


On 4 March 2014 18:06, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll be there this Thursday. Also hoping to come to Worcester.

 Rob

 On 4 Mar 2014 17:39, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Who's planning on meeting on Thursday evening for our regular slot? I
 should
 be there assuming others are too?

 We have of course also the planned day in Worcester on Sat 15th. Did anyone
 get anywhere with selecting a meeting up venue for lunch?

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] January Meeting Saturday January 11th

[Ian Caldwell]

I will work on the west south of the Grand Union Canal. I was also
planning to have a bit of a walk round Leamington since I have not
been there since I lived there as a first year student!

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: OSM January Meeting

[Ian Caldwell]

I would vote for Afternoon,


Ian


On 29 December 2013 17:06, Brian Prangle br...@mappa-mercia.org wrote:

 Hi everyone

 Jack - a local mapper in Warwick has forwarded this info on pubs for our
 Jan 11th meetup. Which one would folk like to meet in? Also do you want an
 afternoon of mapping followed by pub or a morning of mapping follwed by
 pub? My vote goes to Wetherspoons in the Square  and am/pm not fussed

 Regards

 Brian

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 To: Brian Prangle br...@mappa-mercia.org


  Hi Brian,

 Merry Christmas and apologies for the delay in replying. I can think of
 two possible places to meet (many others exist). If you think most people
 will be arriving by train, The Roebuck in Smith Street might be a handy
 meeting place. I'm told they do good food. The other one I had in mind was
 a Wetherspoons in the town centre - The Thomas Lloyd in the Square.
 Standard Wetherspoons type food but it is big.

 How does the newcomer identify a group of OSMers? Wikimedians often take
 along a banner or are wearing Wikipedia T-shirts and so can be fairly
 easily recognised.

 Regards,

 Jack

 -Original Message-
 *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org]
 *Sent:* 25 November 2013 16:15
 *To:* Jack FitzSimons
 *Subject:* Re: OSM January Meeting

   Hi Jack

 Thanks for your input - it will be great to meet you. I think we'll
 probably concentrate on buildings, addresses, shops and POIs around the
 town centre - but other folk may have different ideas. Do you have a
 recommendation for a pub with decent food/beer?

 Regards

 Brian


 On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Jack FitzSimons 
 jack.fitzsim...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 Hi Brian,

 I've been watching the mailing list expecting everyone to express their
 enthusiasm for a day's mapping in Warwick but I haven't seen a single
 reply.
 As a Warwick resident I'm certainly up for it. I hope you get enough
 replies
 to make it worthwhile coming here. I notice your post says that Warwick
 needs some TLC. Do you have anything particular in mind? Don't worry; I'll
 leave you plenty to do on the day!

 Most of my mapping is to add missing footpaths along with stiles, gates,
 etc
 after a day's Geocaching. I've added and removed a few things in the
 Warwick
 area too (and anywhere else I've been) when I notice the map is wrong but
 I
 don't consider myself particularly skilled and don't want to do too much
 in
 case it's wrong. It would be nice to meet a few more mappers and perhaps
 pick up some hints and tips.

 Best wishes,


 Jack





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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] December meetup

[Ian Caldwell]

I plan to be there, should be there about 7:30.

Ian


On 3 December 2013 18:36, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
 I usually try to get there between 7 and 7:30. I'm very busy this week but
 currently plan to be there - I'll be in need of a beer by then!

 Cheers
 Andy

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthijs Melissen [mailto:i...@matthijsmelissen.nl]
 Sent: 03 December 2013 17:49
 Cc: OSM Group WM
 Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] December meetup

 I'll be there, what time do we meet?

 -- Matthijs

 On 3 December 2013 17:33, Brian Prangle br...@mappa-mercia.org wrote:
 Hi everyone

 This is scheduled for this Thursday Dec 5th at the usual venue  The
 Bull on Price Street. Unfortunately I can't make this month. Have fun
 and a Merry Xmas! See you in 2014 - perhaps with a new website ;-)

 Regards

 Brian

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[Talk-GB] Guardian gives Google credit for OpenStreetMap data!

[Ian Caldwell]

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/interactive/2013/oct/02/live-london-bus-map

quote Using Google Maps and data from Transport for London, Matthew
Somerville has created this live London bus tracker  But the map itself
says map data by OpenStreetMap.


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monthly Meet on Thursday 3rd October

[Ian Caldwell]

I plan to be there from about 1930.


Ian


On 1 October 2013 17:00, Florian LAINEZ winner...@free.fr wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 I'll join you guys. Will we have a little retrospective of SOTM?


 2013/9/30 Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com

 The Bull is on Price Street here:

 ** **

 http://osm.org/go/euzMOfqKA?m=

 ** **

 Cheers

 Andy

 ** **

 *From:* Jonathan [mailto:bigfatfro...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* 30 September 2013 10:30
 *To:* talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monthly Meet on Thursday 3rd
 October

 ** **

 Hope to attend, remind me again where the Bull is.  Was it the one we
 finished up in after SOTM?

 Jonathan

 

 http://bigfatfrog67.me

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 On 30/09/2013 10:06, Andy Robinson wrote:

 The Bull sounds like a plan. I’m usually there between 7  7:30. Suggest
 we talk about meetup on Thursday.

  

 Cheers

 Andy

  

 *From:* Rob Nickerson 
 [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comrob.j.nicker...@gmail.com]

 *Sent:* 28 September 2013 18:49
 *To:* talk-gb-westmidlands
 *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monthly Meet on Thursday 3rd October***
 *

  

 Hi All,

 For this months meeting are we back to our usual winter venue (The Bull,
 Price Street, Birmingham)? I'll aim to get there around 7:30pm.

 Also what of our plans to meet up with the Oxford group?

  

 Regards,
 Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Problem with missing links on road

[Ian Caldwell]

The missing roads have highway=tertiary_link I suspect that  the cycle
and transport maps do not process this correctly.

Ian


On 14 November 2012 20:45, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.04697lon=-1.857193zoom=18layers=C
 has a gap between the Leamington Road and the roundabout. These exist on the
 other views and I can't see anything wrong. Any thoughts on why they are
 missing on the cycle and transport map views?

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 Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] error in Bing

[Ian Caldwell]

Just started to check the mapping following my cycle down the canal
from the University station and found the the Bing Images were badly
aligned. This error is not there by the time you get to around Selly
Oak Station. If you edit at
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.444795lon=-1.937734zoom=18layers=M
with Potlatch and make Bing the background there is a discontinuity in
Bing were the railway crosses the canal. You see the same in Josm.

following the discontinuity the corners of the problem are

lat=52.45391lon=-1.942503
lat=52.444971lon=-1.942396
lat=52.444958lon=-1.927891
lat=52.4539lon=-1.927778

Can we do anything about this?

Ian

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday

[Ian Caldwell]

I hope to make it.

Ian Caldwell
Malvern


On 4 January 2011 18:32, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll be there


 On 4 January 2011 17:18, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) 
 ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looking forward to seeing others on Thursday evening. Who else is going?

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia

 Cheers

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Re: [Talk-GB] Yet more musical chairs updates.

[Ian Caldwell]

Is just me or does musical chairs not work with the Chrome Browser. I
cannot select the boxes. I can interestingly select the circles?

Ian
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[Talk-GB] A pitch in a common

[Ian Caldwell]

On part of the Malvern Common there is a football pitch which is notable as
it flat and mowed, unlike the rest of the common but on Mapnik they are
shown as the same colour.

Any suggestions?

Ian Caldwell
ian1caldw...@googlemail.com
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[Talk-GB] Funny with Mapnik?

[Ian Caldwell]

I put a few roads in last night and when I checked them this morning
they were missing from the level 14,15,16 in Maplink. I then added a
turning circle I had missed. About 1/2 hour ago they were missing from
levels 14-18.

They are all there in Osmarender.

location is 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.11225lon=-2.29763zoom=17layers=0B00FTF
Streets Moatway Moat Cresent and Five Oaks Close.

As I check for this mail parts of them have appeared in level 18. but
when I do a status on the showing bit I get
http://tile.openstreetmap.org/18/129396/86455.png/status Tile is
clean. Last rendered at Thu Oct 22 22:38:30 2009

but were it is missing status shows
http://tile.openstreetmap.org/18/129396/86456.png/status Tile is
clean. Last rendered at Fri Oct 23 14:16:29 2009

So the later tile has the streets missing

Have I done anything wrong or is it Mapnik?

Ian Caldwell
ian1caldw...@googlemail.com

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