Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS

[Ian Steer via Talk-au]

As you say, they are trying to discourage walkers but nothing to indicate it
is not permitted to enter.

Path should be in OSM

Ian

> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:52:06 +1100
> From: Mark Pulley 
> To: OpenStreetMap-AU Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS
> 
> On my last holiday I took a detour to re-check the Apsley Gorge track.
> 
> The asphalt path ends at a lookout
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/324186826
> 
> The ?controversial? path is still present south of here - I followed it
some of
> the way (about 350m), but didn?t follow it all the way to the end.
> 
> There is a sign just south of the lookout - Google Maps street view shows
the
> sign (the small yellow object near the southern end of the safety rail!)
> https://maps.app.goo.gl/9mDecm2GKpXxM48k6
> 
> On the left side of the sign, there?s a warning icon (exclamation mark),
then
> ?No safety rail?, another warning icon (man falling off edge of crumbling
cliff),
> then ?Unstable edges?
> 
> On the right side of the sign is the text ?End of track, no safety rail
beyond this
> point?
> 
> The sign is there to discourage walkers venturing further south, but it?s
not
> technically a ?do not enter? sign.
> 
> Does that help with what to do with this particular example?
> 
> Mark P.
> 
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 at 23:33, Mark Pulley  > wrote:
> >> A brief summary of the options for this type of situation (not just
this
> particular edit, but similar edits in the past and probably future):
> >>
> >> 1. Revert the change sets (in the absence of more information) 2.
> >> Partial revert, with a change in tags 3. Leave the deletion as it is.
> >>
> >> For this particular example, the results would be:
> >> 1. Full revert - way will be marked informal=yes, but without access
> >> tags 2. Partial revert - could add access=no, or alternatively
> >> abandoned:highway=* or disused:highway=* 3. No reversion
> >
> > I would opt for 2, leave the way in place, but with access=no, a
lifecycle prefix
> on the highway tag like abandoned:highway=* or rehabilitated:highway=*.
> >
> > If there is signage that says closed for rehabilitation, we should
capture the
> closure reason somewhere, so OSM data consumers can present that reason
> for the closure to users, whether that be via rehabilitated:highway=* or
> something like, access:reason=rehabilitation.
> >
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Re: [talk-au] emergency highway airstrips

[Ian Steer via Talk-au]

Opps, sent too early, here's a second example:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/187347278#map=15/-31.9089/127.0839=
D


https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/187347277

Ian


> Whether it's right or wrong, I don't know, but here's another example:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/187347277
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 20:12:35 +1100
> > From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
> > To: OSM Australian Talk List 
> > Subject: [talk-au] emergency highway airstrips
> > Message-ID: <233db7e4-cb4c-4539-a3f3-87a375b54...@gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > How do we tag emergency highway airstrips, as used by the RFDS? I
> > thought this was documented on the Australian tagging guidelines but I
> cannot see it..
> >
> > I have used this as an example
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/493146070
> >
> > for a rough area cleared for the wings and a turning area.
> >
> > aeroway ??? aerodrome
> > military ??? airfield
> > name ??? Royal Flying Doctor Service Emergency Airstrip Stuart Highway
> > wikipedia ??? en:Highway strip#Australia
> >
> >
> > together with
> >
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/493146071
> >
> > for the centre line of the runway itself. Note the highway exists as a
> > separate way.
> >
> > aeroway ??? runway
> > ref ??? 13/31
> > source ??? survey
> > surface ??? asphalt
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> > Anyone have thought on this? I'm not certain of
> >
> > military ??? airfield .. may not always be military though this area
> > is surrounded by it.
> >
> > name ??? Royal Flying Doctor Service Emergency Airstrip Stuart Highway
..
> > more of a description possibly operator???
> >
> >
> > Once this is discussed .. then I'll put it in the Aust. Tagging
> > Guidelines thingy.
> >
> >
> >
> 


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Re: [talk-au] emergency highway airstrips

[Ian Steer via Talk-au]

Whether it's right or wrong, I don't know, but here's another example:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/187347277




> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 20:12:35 +1100
> From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
> To: OSM Australian Talk List 
> Subject: [talk-au] emergency highway airstrips
> Message-ID: <233db7e4-cb4c-4539-a3f3-87a375b54...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> Hi
> 
> How do we tag emergency highway airstrips, as used by the RFDS? I thought
> this was documented on the Australian tagging guidelines but I cannot see
it..
> 
> I have used this as an example
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/493146070
> 
> for a rough area cleared for the wings and a turning area.
> 
> aeroway ??? aerodrome
> military ??? airfield
> name ??? Royal Flying Doctor Service Emergency Airstrip Stuart Highway
> wikipedia ??? en:Highway strip#Australia
> 
> 
> together with
> 
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/493146071
> 
> for the centre line of the runway itself. Note the highway exists as a
separate
> way.
> 
> aeroway ??? runway
> ref ??? 13/31
> source ??? survey
> surface ??? asphalt
> 
> 
> -
> 
> Anyone have thought on this? I'm not certain of
> 
> military ??? airfield .. may not always be military though this area is
> surrounded by it.
> 
> name ??? Royal Flying Doctor Service Emergency Airstrip Stuart Highway ..
> more of a description possibly operator???
> 
> 
> Once this is discussed .. then I'll put it in the Aust. Tagging
> Guidelines thingy.
> 
> 
> 



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